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New York Red Cross Needs Tech Help
zosa writes: "The New York American Red Cross is in dire need of technology equipment and services. The field workers and sites have little, if any, means of communication and the central office is processing way too much on completely paper systems. Your help in acquiring these resources would be greatly appreciated." You can read more over at this page. Finally something that the average Slashdot reader can do to help.
Sprint PCS is donating Cell phones to the red cross as we speak.
I'm sitting at my desk right now writing a script to activate the phones to the network elements and create the account.
cvg
I wonder what the most effective method of quickly achieving mass connectivity after a disaster like this is.
I'd think you'd want to use as much commodity hardware as possible -- maybe series of 802.11 hubs with integrated satelite uplinks? Definately useful for mass email, downloading instructions, etc....
Frankly, I'm a little shocked that the Army can't set 'em up on this front.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I'm so glad there's something my pasty ass can do besides give money to the Red Cross at Amazon. (Can't give blood. Too much time in England as a carnivore.)
"Enough of this wretched, whining monkey life." -- Marcus Aurelius, _Meditations_, Book 9, 37
E-mail below:
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Thank you for your inquiry to Microsoft.
Microsoft Corporation has announced that it will make a donation of $10 million cash and technical services to support the relief and recovery efforts in the areas devastated by the tragic events of September 11.
The company will make a $5 million cash donation to The September 11 Fund, created by the United Way of New York City and The New York Community Trust. A remaining amount up to $5 million in services, software and volunteers will be made available to organizations serving people in the affected areas who are seeking technology-based solutions.
Microsoft will begin an outreach program to governmental agencies, nonprofit agencies and other community-based organizations to inform these organizations of the availability of technology assistance. Microsoft has already asked NPower New York, a recently created nonprofit technology service provider, to assess and dispatch technology services through their network of local agencies.
The technology assistance could possibly include:
- Providing internet access in temporary shelters,
- Creating a tracking system to assist in relief and recovery efforts,
- Coordinating technical volunteers to set up networks,
Microsoft's intent is to work with the various organizations active in the disaster and recovery response that may be ready to deploy a technology solution though an assessment of the technology needs must be made first.
For more information, please visit our website at
www.microsoft.com/giving.
Sincerely,
Microsoft Community Affairs
This is the perfect situation for all those people who like wireless networking to jump in-they need a flexible, field communications system! Lesse here... WAP11s (in repeater mode)linked to eachother with yagis or parabolics, and each having on the other connecter an omni (8dBi or so) for APs and some el-cheapo D-Link client cards... A network on a budget.
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Where is the amateur radio community in this? I know that many ham radio operators practice emergency communications simulations just for situations like this, and I'd guess that there are quite a few ham radio ops in NYC.
Yet another reason why the FCC shouldn't auction off the amateur radio spectrum to corporations for a little bit of extra $$.
Aargh. It needs a real-time list, with all the people seeing that news I bet items are being fulfilled already. I just got our peoples to try and get them the Citrix and PC Anywhere licenses but by the time it's done they may no longer be needed. It's got to be worse for people scrambling to gather and transport hardware to find out the need has already been met. Well, just a thought and certainly insignificant in the big picture but it would be nice.
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"Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
"Open source is evil." - Microsoft
Note: If you do help...
Leave advocacy for later!
Do not push Linux. If people can't use it, it won't help right now.
There probably won't be 802.11b links. This will probably networking Pentium class machines so people can do data entry. They will almost certainly run Windows.
This is good, because this will make sense to the people who can directly help. If you go there, be prepared to deal with these systems and don't bitch about it.
Not to mention, you'll give Linux a bad name if you still push it in this time of crisis.
-Dan
Actually, being the technical director of ad ops for a dot-com I feel obligated to go OT for a sec: we've been getting mercilessly flamed for sending out an email ad campaign the morning of the tragedy. People don't realise that these things are booked in advance, frequently happen overnight, and aren't easy to shut off (especially when the company hosting our email delivery servers was in NY and was understandably unresponsive). The same goes for ads on a website - we're all running around taking care of business (and reading slashdot as a brief escape) and something like a rich media ad on the site can be easily over-looked. I mean, my company is having to take care of things like adding tons of news content, taking down the British Airways campaign that just went live, putting up Red Cross ads, etc, etc. Cut them some slack. TechTV is located in SF but as they were a client I can tell you for a fact that a lot of their employees are New Yorkers - the ad is probably low on their thoughts right now.
The article says...
50 Microsoft Exchange CALs
35 Microsoft SQL CALs
50 Microsoft Office Professional licenses
Fuckit, its a national disaster just break the god-damn licensing issues.. Love to see MS try to sue the Red-Cross in their time of need.
Then of course, after this disaster switch the gear over to publicly-licensed software.
"Be glad you sailed for a better day, But dont forget there will be hell to pay" - Dave King/Flogging Molly
ABC News just reported that contrary to earlier reports, rescue workers do need "small" things like gloves, work boots, Neosporin, flashlights, rain ponchos (rain is coming to the area), oxygen tanks, Kleenex, Band-Aids. If you are in the area, maybe you can point people to the proper places to help (and verify this info).
MS gave $10 million, as posted up above, 12 minutes before your post (you must've missed it since you surely read the thread before posting).
To be sure, Gates and the rest of the wealthy will be donating money. I know of several prominent families who have already pledged multi-million dollar contributions. Most do it anonymously. No one likes a glory hound.
I just called the Red Cross here in MA. They requested that we give blood in about thirty days. Their fear is that once the crisis here has calmed, people will not replenish the much needed supply. Apparently our red stuff has a shelf life of forty-two days.
Do your best to donate anything you can afford. The salvation army is looking for new clothing and medical supplies for the rescue workers.
-Donald
I read this early this morning and the lest seems suspiciously detailed.
3Com NICs
Licences? (How long are you planning to use this stuff?)
10/100 Hubs (All the 10 hubs I was going to bring down there (20 ish) would be refused?)
I don't like this at all. I am on 14th I could have dropped the stuff off in about 10 minutes after Stern told us where to look but to be honest there's something very weird with this list. I will help any other way they like.
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In the meantime, my company would LOVE to put some stuff together. We've already started helping a bit. rational software is putting together a van full of equipment and people to deliver. Please contact Ali Kaufman to see if you can help at all.
If you know of anyone else who can use computers or equipment in the NYC area in relation to this disaster, please tell her or me, dave, and we'll try to coordinate!! It's better than just sending a bunch a stuff and people down and saying, "TAKE IT!"
Dave
I mentioned this link on the Long Island Linux Users Group Mailing List. Unfortunatly I cannot make it there until this weekend if that, but at least one member can go down there.
One problem, he can't get through to the contact number for the red cross.
So if anyone figures out how to actually get them on the horn please post it here or on the LILUG Mailing List.
Matthew Newhall
President of LILUG.
Novel theory: Modern Man evolved from psychopath
Even the REAL Great Satan (X10) suspended its' ads on Tuesday!!!
The last thing anyone needs is a stupid religious type scuffle when stuff just needs to be done. If Linux is the tool you need, use it. If Windows/Mac/BSD/whatever is what will do the job best - use it. Don't think - just do.
:-P
(Aside - isn't a stupid religious battle at the root of this evil?)
The Red Cross needs technical smarts on the ground right now - you're not in a board room, not in a data center. If you volunteer, just do the job and move on to the next. Concentrate on the users - now is not the time for training, so use what they're used to, or as close as possible to it. Heck, you may even learn something about other systems by deploying them.
I just wish I could get on a plane right now.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
I live in the Maritimes of Canada, and work for the local telco here (Aliant Telecom). We do all the telecom for the Maritimes. Upon recieving some 25 or 30 Airliners originally intended for NY, our company donated literally hundreds of cell phones with unlimted airtime and long distance in all our relief centres. They also installed some 140 landlines with 0-area code long distance and installed some 20 or so DSL internet access sites so the people could get in touch with relatives. The company is saying they are experiencing traffic volumes over 2.5 times the amount they see on Monther's day (the busiest day of the year).
The average Slashdot reader can't bleed into a syringe? Can't donate to Red Cross? Hmmmm
INSIGHTFUL My Arse! I'm deeply offended by this comment. I would imagine that I am a fairly average Slashdot reader, and I can't "bleed into a syringe." I'm not allowed to. There are several categories of people that the US just doesn't want blood from. In my case I just happen to have lived in the UK for more than six months.
Please don't claim that giving blood is something that everyone can do. I'm not obese, I'm not underweight, I'm healthy... but I'm a Brit in the US.
Z.
-- Under/Overrated is meta-moderation, and therefore is Redundant.
The TechTV article was posted Tuesday. It's late Wednesday. Has that Red Cross office gotten everything they need?
More to the point, does anyone know of other organizations (managing this crisis) that need tech equipment or services?
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I dont know much about hams in NYC but communication in disasters is what ham radio organizations such as ARES(http://www.ares.org) are for. Does anyone have any information on the use of ham radios in this disaster and how hams can help? Is it even being used at all? If they are having difficulties with communication im sure ham radio could help. I know cell phone systems are there, but as was shown during the attack, they arent reliable.
When i first heard about it and now I am very glad that I have my ham, No matter what disaster strikes and what communcations systems go down, I will always have a way to contact people. I highly recommend that anyone wanting a reliable means of communication get licensed and get a radio, its not hard to do and is a great thing to have. Plus you are able to provide a valuable service in disasters.
KD5LLI
Wow, I'm amazed by what you're saying. I fully agree with the parent. In situations such as this, when someone asks for something, it's required to give them what they're asking for.
...and the usual M$ bugs won't matter.
I have a few questions for you:
1 - Do you know why the Red Cross needs this software? Are you sure there is a fully functional Linux alternative for each requested piece?
2 - Do you feel it would speed up and help the relief effort to have the users learn new software and new interfaces or slow it down and hider it? NOTE: I'm not saying the interface is bad, but just different, which requires additional education which takes additional time, which is something that cannot be spared right now.
I'm sure the Red Cross will be happy to have anything up and working and that volunteers will follow their directions to the letter with good humor.
IF this happened, the directions from the Red Cross would be "Input data X". I don't think the Red Cross can provide user assistance as to how to use the new, unfamiliar software software. Even if hardcore Linux hackers get involved with supporting the software, it wll only slow down the efforts, to what extent I do not know.
They may then contribute more with the Free software in their hands. You're correct, they may. I feel, and others will agree, the situation warrants "give them what they want, not what we think they should have".
It's doubtful that the Red Cross is dependent on such things...
In response to this statement I'll ask you the same thing you asked the parent: What the hell do you know about Red Cross ops? Do you work for them? Have you ever? I have but not much. They are not a lame bunch.. It seems you're speculating, the same thing you ripped into the previous poster for.
More Microsoft bashing and at a time like this. I think you need to re-assess your priorities right now.
Although I hate to get into partisan nonsense at a time like this, I feel it's important to note that half of the items on the request list appear to be licenses for expensive, proprietary software. Considering that MS made $7 billion in profit last fiscal year, I'd say $10 million is the least they could do. And there should be none of this having to ask for licenses-- that's ridiculous (and wouldn't be the case if the Red Cross was using Red Hat or most any other Linux, now would it?).
As for Sun, they had offices in the WTC and at least one executive on the plane that went into the building, so please have a little respect. Sun have bigger problems than how much they are donating to rescue efforts.
As for VA and RH? I dunno. Maybe just as soon as they have a monopoly on overpriced software and turn a profit, we can expect those companies to donate headline sums as well. In the meantime, consider that Slashdot provided news to a lot of people during this past week and a forum to discuss the events. Slashdot is a free service provided by VA at considerable expense in terms of hardware and bandwidth.
If you want to act three flavors of righteous, first do something yourself, and then take quiet pride in being a good person instead of bitching about what others haven't done. Sheesh.
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Cisco gave $6 million.
General Electric gave $10 million.
All three deserve our respect and thanks for their actions.
Breakfast served all day!
What I'm a little concerned about is who is collecting all those loose financial documents blown out of those offices and possibly harvesting info they have no business having.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
I've been very impressed lately with the frequency and size of donations from businesses/corporations:
Microsoft donated [www.microsoft.com] $5M in cash to United Way in NY, $5M in licenses/support/tech help.
Sprint has donated [www.sprint.com] handsets and redirected a cell from NJ to NYPD. They've also provided phones for city, state and local government officials and to the American Red Cross for use in recovery efforts.
GE has pledged $10 million to a fund that will assist the families of the firefighters, police officers and emergency rescue personnel who perished while responding to the attack on the World Trade Center. [from www.ge.com]
AT&T has donated [www.att.com] $1M to American Red Cross and $10M in prepaid calling cards.
Verizon has offered [newscenter.verizon.com] free local calling to and from payphones on Manhattan streets.
I'm sure there are many more. As I look at Amazon's donation center, it looks like it's going up at about $4000/min.
This makes me proud to be an American.
... that's all i wrote...
Not entirely on topic, but I just heard a brief report on ABC that already there are already spammers soliciting bogus donations for WTC relief. Pretty bloody disgusting...anyone who would stoop so low is in serious need of a buckshot enema.
You're using her as bait, Master!
Red Cross Disaster Services only deals with new items and money, and new items are generally donated in bulk from manufacturers or retailers. Even there items are generally things that are needed for immediate care - sweatsuits, blankets, toiletries. The main exception to this is cleanup kits, which generally consist of a mop and cleaning supplies.
The preferred way to distribute assistance is money (in a way) when possible, particularly for major disasters. By providing Disbursement Orders (DOs) that local merchants have agreed to accept, the Red Cross is able to get money flowing back through affected areas. For the merchants, the DO is treated pretty much like a check, except they send it to the Red Cross instead of depositing it at their bank.
In general, Disaster Services is geared to provide support only during the disaster itself (Mass Care/shelters) and for a few days afterward while people get back on their feet (Family Services). In addition, it regularly provides other services such as canteening for disaster workers and others affected.
I suspect that the need for computers is so they can get more people set up for access to some of the existing systems they have for dealing with disasters. A lot of the software is client-server and even terminal-based, but without enough computers for the staff to use it doesn't do much good.
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Will armed officers be put on flights?
Yes, FAA Federal Air Marshals who are armed and trained in the use of firearms on board aircraft will be flying anonymously. Federal Air Marshals are FAA civil aviation security specialists who are specially trained for deployment on anti-hijacking missions. The FAA will not reveal the number or identities of the marshals. The DOT is working with the Department of Defense to see if other highly trained agents may be deployed to augment the Federal Air Marshal force.
As seen on the FAA's website http://www.faa.gov/apa/faq/pr_faq.htm
Let me do it for you.
That's a pittance.
Moreover, MS is up to their same tricks, giving away software licenses and claiming the full retail value as a donation.
It's cheap. It's deceitful, and IMHO the IRS should be banging away at the door.
If we're cynical about MS the rest of the time, why can't we be cynical now? Bill has proven time and again that he's willing to lie to a judge and break the law just to make a buck, why should we assume all of a sudden that he's a great humanitarian?
Oh, I forgot... his company (not even Bill himself) donated $5m... And they make how many billion per year? It's a pathetic gimick, like tipping $.05 in a restaurant, to make a statement.
What wonderful human beings. I want, desperately, to carry Bill's child, because he is such a beacon to the world. [/sarcasm]
This I can speak to. There is no such thing as "mass connectivity" during the disaster. The issue is Money.
There are two issues here. (Caveat: I used to work for FEMA. I left FEMA four years ago, so things might be better now.).
1. There has been a "movement", for years, to try to get all government agencies on one "bandwidth", technically. during the emergency. To my knowledge, it hasn't happened yet. NO FEDERAL MONEY. (For some reason, the Feds, such as FEMA, the Army, etc., haven't been too enthused about this. Not sure why.) Check out the Extreme Information Infrastructure Initiative, pushed by the National Institute for Urban Search and Rescue. Still not happening. No money. During big disasters, every single agency and department is on a different wavelength using different info. Literally. Ideas like dedicated Secure Internet bandwidth have been floated, but not enough big dogs are buying into such ideas. Literally. There has not been enough money or agreement to get everyone in the same boat. The XII or something like it needs more consideration. It can work.
2. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has done great stuff getting all Federal agenies communicating together, but mostly in a post-emergency framework. The rebuilding needs,(money, again) and interim needs, the needs of those who have lost everything and sometimes everybody, both personal and commercial, are stunningly huge. To that end, in any big emergency in the USA, as soon as authorized by Presidential Declaration, FEMA rents an empty buildings, both away from and near to the area and completely installs, usually within 24 hours, a telephone system and network system for approx. 300 people. About 20-30 big blue or white trucks pull up with everything inside from telephone switches to servers to network routers, to miles of Cat5 cable and reams of connectors. Sometimes, these trucks get flown in via C-130's or C-5's cargo planes. A small army of experienced, highly qualified technicians fly in from all over the country and work 24-36 shifts to make it happen. All this stuff is for the long-term problems -- coordinating tent city needs, water supplies, electricity generators, hospital supplies, etc. Lots of etc, etc. This is the one agency that goes to "war" many, many times every year. The morale is amazingly high as these people can see everyday how they help make a difference. The stress is unbelievable. You have to get it right the first time since the People who have just lost everything don't need excuses for why something like water and basic help still hasn't arrived, yet.
Emergency Preparedness is, and always has been, the last priority on every gov't. list. It's not glamourous. It used to be worse. Until around 1990, it was considered demeaning to ask for States to ask for Federal help. It wasn't until the State Governors realized that Uncle Sam would practically give away hundreds of millions of dollars for disaster relief that FEMA started getting proper funding, at all. (Actually, FEMA sponsors grants up to around $12k and low-cost personal and commercial loans. I do wonder how much gets repaid. ) (Note: You can scream about big government or you can have good federal programs. You can't do both. ) FEMA is one agency that taxpayers can be very proud of.
ps. I just realized that the Red Cross guy mentioned in the original SlashDot article is someone I used to work with at FEMA. I think he used to be the main IT guy for FEMA in New York for that region. An outstanding person and technically brilliant across the IT field from telecomm to networks to app. development. They have the best man possible in place in NYC.
There's no red cross conspiracy to score free software here, man. It's just that they're so in the habit of needing liscences, they're not realizing they don't need them for now. Maybe the guy who made the list wasn't their real tech guy, just who he told to make a list. The guy hears the region high-ups say "we need so-and-so copies of Office" and assumes that they must need liscences as well. No harm, just ignorance. I'm sure MS already told them to forget the liscences for now.
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How many dot-coms have but no longer use perfectly good equipment that they could donate for the cause. Of course, the government can sweeten the deal for everyone concerned by offering tax incentives for donations.
Considering that M$ will easily make back that $5M in software replacement sales I think they should get the Cheap Bastard Award. This makes me ill.
I simply can not STAND people who judge other charity givers. I personally make a large income for my age, and whenever I give people ALWAYS comment, "Well, that's not much for him". How dare you even have a thought of critisism against a donor. How much have YOU given? Why don't you get a part time job (on top of your full time job) so that you can donate more money. You're not doing enough. Why did you upgrade your computer? You could've donated that money. What, you bought an MP3 player while people go hungry?
What makes ME ill is your arogant attitude. You feel that you have some God given intelect that allows you to determine how much is the "right amount" for an organisation to give to the "right cause".
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
Nope. You're completely missing the point.
Most people (those not in the NYC area) went to Amazon, or Paypal's donation page, and quietly gave $100. They might mention it, but only to encourage others. People on Slashdot are effectively anonymous, they aren't posting "I gave $100" to make themselves look good, they're doing it to encourage others.
Now, Microsoft gave essentially sweet fuck all, and they're making a big deal of it.
I have no problem with people giving a lot, or not at all. Whatever, it's up to you. What I have a problem with is people who make a big deal about how holier than thou they are, and yet give essentially nothing.
Microsoft is giving fucking licenses, something of NO real value. And they're crowing about how wonderful they are.
Oh wow! Let me send my old OS/2 licenses, that's just as useless.
If Bill just went to the Amazon page and gave money, any ammount, and someone found out, I wouldn't care how much he gave.
It's the ulterior motive that's disgusting, they give just enough to justify notifying the press. Why did they do that? Why not send the money and not waste people's time with yet another useless press release? Because that press release and the tax write-off are the only reasons they did it.