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The Astronaut's New Clothes

Metox writes: "An article posted on www.sciam.com gives a glimpse into the future of space clothing for use in hostile environments, Earth orbit, Mars, etc. Of all the facts in the article, the one I found most interesting is that the current EVA (Extra Vehicular Activity) suit is an astonishing 24 years old. However, the article gives a good reason for this. As the EVA suit is used in a microgravity environment, mobility isn't as important, and dexterity can be enhanced by simple changes to the arms and hands. The article highlights the current tests of two new EVA/Mars contenders, the I-Suit and the H-Suit."

143 comments

  1. Jewish menace by Ralph+JewHater+Nader · · Score: -1

    Don't let the jews make the suits, they'll leak and shit because the greedy kikes want to cut costs!

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    1. Re:Jewish menace by SaxMaster · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      STFU, nazi bastard. I hope you have your balls torn off in some sort of accident to prevent you from reproducing. Anyways, I agree that increased range of movement in space is EXTREMELY important.

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    2. Re:Jewish menace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


      Don't make them black either, because you want them to work!

    3. Re:Jewish menace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Fuck you nigger bitch.

    4. Re:Jewish menace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Mr. Nader, please give us your views on the recent World Trade Center Bombing.

    5. Re:Jewish menace by Klerck · · Score: -1

      It appears as though Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi terrorist accused of masterminding the Arab attacks on the United States, was a registered Linux user! This is further evidence, as if any more was needed, that Linux and terrorism are inseperable, and that anyone using Linux is supporting the terrorist murder of millions!

    6. Re:Jewish menace by serutan · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'm breaking my tradition of not replying to crap like this to ask the simple question, why do so many people bother to respond to idiotic postings? We could save a little time and bandwidth by simply ignoring people when they shout out how stupid they are. Go ahead and moderate this off-topic. I know it is, but it's aimed at an audience who will read it.

  2. skin tight suits by Papa+Legba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    space is not going to be really conqurable until we can get skin tight style suits going. Even with the fact that in space weight becomes less of a problems (it is not gone, it returns as inertia force). Range of mobility in an enviroment that can kill you will be key. I would hope that they are spending more research in this area. Polarizing suits and cermic wire heaters would seem to be the way to go. The real trick is keeping what is on the inside from leaking to the ourside. Non-porus plastics are available, I would think you could layer those with light sensitice polarizing compunds, beef up the style of artic survival suits heaters and give it a go. If we can free ourselves from the bulkyness of the suits we have now anything in space will be possible.

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    1. Re:skin tight suits by kimbokennedy · · Score: 1

      A good series of books to read on the subject are Kim Stanley Robinsons trilogy Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars. He writes of skin tight suits which when broken seal to the skin and leave the exposed skin open to the atmosphere. This results in a minor burn. Im not sure whether this is correct though?

    2. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      nigger

    3. Re:skin tight suits by Bronster · · Score: 2

      Range of mobility in an enviroment that can kill you will be key. I would hope that they are spending more research in this area. Polarizing suits and cermic wire heaters would seem to be the way to go. The real trick is keeping what is on the inside from leaking to the ourside. Non-porus plastics are available, I would think you could layer those with light sensitice polarizing compunds, beef up the style of artic survival suits heaters and give it a go.

      It depends what environment you're planning to go into - for EVA in space there really isn't anything that having active limbs can help with in most emergencies, because there's nothing to hold on to.

      On the other hand on a planet (or moon) surface you're right - mobility is vital. Skin tight or assisted suits - and I can see advantages of assisted suits too, why stick with plain old human strength when you can have an exo-skeleton.

      Now we just need a cold-war to force a couple of countries to have a pointless posturing fight in which both try to get into space quicker so that we throw some real money at this problem. The advantages in terms of cool new materials with applications back here on earth will make it all worthwhile, but you can't convince investors of that (hang on, .coms but in space. Wonder if that would sell)

    4. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      nigger lover

    5. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      goddamn you nigger lover

    6. Re:skin tight suits by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      The best way for NASA to get more funding! Skin tight suits, hot female astronauts, and TV broadcasts... oh yeah...

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    7. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    8. Re:skin tight suits by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 3, Insightful
      We're not going into combat situations here. Skin tight mobility might be nice, but it's not entirely necessary. It's also unlikely, since insulation is more valuable. Having lived in Edmonton, where it sometimes goes down to -40 in mid winter, I wouldn't care much about a skin-tight suit in a hostile environment. You can get very usable mobility with a few layers of clothing. It's a bit bulky and slows you down a bit, but not enough to be bothersome.

      The one place where dexterity is really valuable is in the hands. Most people have no problems with a nice bulky (warm) parka, but you can pay big bucks for a really good pair of thin gloves that still keep your hands warm.

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    9. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      OK. But What the fuck would you know about it. Your arguments are just to get the first post or something.

      If you have nothing to add, then please, by all means, shut the fuck up.

    10. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


      I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen Samuel was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    11. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding, from evesdropping on some space engineer types blueskying some ideas, is that the human body needs about 3psi of positive pressure to survive. My understanding is a tight scuba-like suit would be just about right. Obviously you'd need a hard helmet of some kind and I have no idea how easy it would be to breath or work in, but those are just details. Right?

      My understanding is that a tear or rip in a scuba-like space-suit is not a big problem since there is no atmosphere to escape (except around the helmet, of course). Because skin is air tight, the worst that would happen is a bruise.

      One engineer related an experiment where someone put their hand into a vacuum chamber, a cuff was inflated around his wrist to seal the opening, and the chamber was pumped down to vacuum. There was a little swelling in his hand from fluids, but there were no other problems. He was able to move and flex his hand fairly normally. The point being that skin is air and liquid tight and exposure to vacuum is not instantly fatal.

      The only problem I heard was that the shuttle and ISS are maintained at about, what?, 11 to 15 psi?, and going from that pressure to the 3psi in a suit like this too quickly would cause the bends.

    12. Re:skin tight suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Marge, I've been watching women's zero-G volleyball on ESPN..."

      Not me though, I'll wait for the painted-on space suits, a la Sports Illustrated. =p

    13. Re:skin tight suits by CakerX · · Score: 1

      Skin tight, also needed are ultrawarm thinsulate hooker boots... What gives, more manueverable yes, skin tight no... Althought pictures of female astronaughts in their SKINTIGHT space suits will probably become more and more common..

    14. Re:skin tight suits by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Looks like you thought about the "cold of space", but forgot the heat of direct sunlight. The key of insulation is "how does a thermos know to keep hot things hot and cold stuff cold?"

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    15. Re:skin tight suits by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      space is not going to be really conqurable until we can get skin tight style suits going.

      I didn't realize we were going to have a shot at conquering space with anything short of nanotechnology :P

      Skintight suits are reasonable when the atmosphere is close to 1 bar. Otherwise, I want a hardsuit. Also, for protection from radiation, only a hardsuit is really reasonable at this point.

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    16. Re:skin tight suits by Winged+Cat · · Score: 2

      Would robotic hands attached to the ends of the sleeves, operated by hands within the sleeves, be a good workaround for this? You wouldn't need much insulation for the robot parts; the challenge would be getting them to faithfully mimic the motions of their flesh-and-blood counterparts - basically, complex puppetry. A position-sensing glove for the flesh hand would probably be necessary to gather all the information on the position of each finger, tilt of the wrist, et cetera, but that's been done, no?

    17. Re:skin tight suits by mjfgates · · Score: 1

      These were actually tested during the 70s... the suits were made of a material similar to Spandex, covering the entire body, with a rigid helmet attached. They worked well enough that they got to the "stick people in a vacuum chamber" phase of testing, and nobody died.

      I'm not sure why they didn't go ahead and design the next generation of space suits around this concept-- maybe NASA didn't think anybody would trust a suit that didn't make you look like the Michelin Man, or maybe some of the astronauts had embarassing beer guts, or maybe it just took too much custom work to fit each suit to an individual.

    18. Re:skin tight suits by jayrtfm · · Score: 1

      >>I'm not sure why they didn't go ahead and design the next generation of space suits around this concept

      the short answer:
      testicles

      The material was lycra.
      for most of the body it worked fine, but one area tended to painfully swell.

      G. Harry Stine had an article on the suit in Analog magazine.

    19. Re:skin tight suits by Rubyflame · · Score: 1

      There seems to be this great misconception that we need nanotechnology in order to really conquer space. The truth is that we need nanotechnology to conquer space if we insist on doing it with such wussy launch vehicles.

      Have you ever heard of Project Orion? The idea was to get a ship into space by exploding a bunch of nukes beneath it, ("nuclear pulse propulsion") thus pushing it up. Fission reactions are about 60 times more powerful than the most powerful chemical reactions, so the Orion ship was designed less like a stack of rockets and more like a battleship. It was never built because of a treaty in 1963 which made the use of nukes above ground illegal.

      Of course, an even better idea would be fusion pulse propulsion, using hydrogen bombs.

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      All it takes is nukes and nerves.
    20. Re:skin tight suits by Ig0r · · Score: 2

      EVA suits are run at around 5psi, so you'd still need an airlock just like one is needed today.

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    21. Re:skin tight suits by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I'm famliar with Orion. I think it's a cool idea. Of course, building something in orbit is a cooler idea. Then again, you could always build an orion in space.

      But by "conquer" space, I mean really subjugate it. For any job that large, you need nanotechnology, and I don't just mean the ability to build nanoscale structures.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  3. Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    1. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I'm shaving my pubic hair as I write this.

    2. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      i'm licking my mommy's public hair as i write this
      i was a bad boy

    3. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by someguy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This is one of the weirdest trolls I've seen.. Is it somebody working under the idea that adding even the smallest amount of confusion to someone's day counts? Or a groundswell gimmick for some new Stephen King book?

      Stephen King is not dead and has not been for the few weeks that this message has been repeatedly posted.

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    4. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


      You're such a tease, you bitch.

  4. World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal myth by LinuxLuddite · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have allowed themselves to be so swiftly deluded by a fraudulent fabrication of such ridiculous proportions. The very idea that not one, but two jumbo jets would crash themselves into a famous New York skyscraper -- in broad daylight with vigilant air-traffic controllers and tight airport security watching every move of every craft in the air -- is laughable. Furthermore, it is a horrendous affront to the world-renowned intellect and common sense of the American people. The fact that anyone could actually believe this is evidence that the Liberals -- after decades of waging war against intellectual integrity and honesty -- have finally ripped the few remaining, tenuous strands of control of our educational system from full-blooded, hard-working, God-fearing Americans.

    As such wonderful documentaries as The Siege have so articulately exposed, the Liberal masterminds in Berkeley and their toadies throughout the nation have been silently waging war against the American people and their God-given rights to protect themselves, their worship, their family values, and their hard work. Much of this has been conducted under the guise of preventing "terrorism", a meaningless word engineered by radical left-wingers specifically to bring fear into the heart of honest Americans. Think about it -- can you remember any reference to so-called "terrorism" that occurred before Liberals invaded our government offices in the last decade? Of course you can't, because despite whatever the revisionist histories may tell you, there is no mention of any "terrorism" in classic literature before 1980. Only then did the neo-Marxists invent such absurd figures as Timothy McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden in order to legitimize their anti-freedom agenda, drowning the spirit of the American people in a blatantly-engineered machine of fear and mourning for "victims" of these "terrorist attacks".

    In fact, it should be incredibly obvious that the concept of a 110-story building even being built, much less two, is a clear and obvious fraud. No documentation of these "twin towers" existed before a "terrorist attack" occured on the previously-nonexistent pair of skyscrapers on September the 11th. Due to this hoax being perpetrated by the Liberal-controlled media, suddenly people all over the world mourned the loss of thousands of people who had not existed before. Innocent men and women, brainwashed by the left-wing education institutions, gave firsthand accounts of losing relatives they never had until the "attack" happened.

    But the most outrageous aspect of this hoax is the "Pentagon" -- a government office fabricated especially for this purpose. Liberal media claims this imaginary building to be "the center of America's defense system", although obviously an organization as proud and God-fearing as the United States Military would never think to station themselves in a building of five sides, so obviously close to the pentagram, mark of Lucifer himself. It is insulting to the nation's intelligence that eight hundred members of the world's proudest institution would be made to meet their Lord by something as graceful, efficient, and secure as our country's fine aviation system.

    Don't let the devious tricks of the Liberals allow you, a citizen of the greatest nation this Earth has ever or will ever know, to surrender your freedoms. Any lesser nation would have succumbed to their wills long ago, and indeed the socialist states in Europe already have. It is only the superior resilience, pride, and intellect of America that has allowed it to withstand the constant threat of Liberal control.

  5. early post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  6. Nifty by norculf · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a good idea. I am all for it.

    Would it be possible for an astronaut stranded in space in one of these suits (or any suit) to manuever themselves to the space station at all, or would they be pretty fucked? I know it sounds highly unlikely, but it could happen, couldn't it?

    1. Re:Nifty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      you're just a dumb nigger

    2. Re:Nifty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absalutely not a chance, brush up on your high school physics, namely newton.

    3. Re:Nifty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes they do have a chance. for this very contingency, the emu has a component called SAFER, which is a basically a jet pack.

  7. Long live science! by Ghoser777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article:
    The Hamilton Sundstrand team is considering a technology that would project information onto the helmet's visor or onto the astronaut's retina. They are also looking into small wrist-worn devices.

    This is why I love seemingly pointless scientific endeavors. Why should we go to Mars? I guess it's cool, maybe we'll find some cool microrganisms to study, etc, but cool new gadgets are what I'm into.

    I want this display info on my glasses system. Forget PDAs, all your info could be on your glasses. Even better, maybe on your contacts. No more forgetting my PDA in my backpack. This is freakin cool!

    F-bacher

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    1. Re:Long live science! by coreyb · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall a commercial from a few years ago lauding space technology on earth. The example that they gave was in fact a device that displayed stuff on a pair of glasses. I never heard anything else about that device though.

    2. Re:Long live science! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      goddamn niggers

    3. Re:Long live science! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      nigger bitch

    4. Re:Long live science! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really don't want it on contacts. You eyes can get irriated very easily by a lot of things and you really don't want that if your life have to depend on it.

      How the heck are you going to mount the electronics in a piece of (silicone) material that is supposed to be thin, light weight, soft, porous to air and transparent ???

    5. Re:Long live science! by Griim · · Score: 1

      I know .sig replies are dumb, but I just had to say I love your .sig.

    6. Re:Long live science! by jesser · · Score: 1

      You really don't want it on contacts. You eyes can get irriated very easily by a lot of things and you really don't want that if your life have to depend on it.

      Not to mention the fact that it's hard to rub your eyes or take out your contacts when you're wearing a full-body, pressurized space suit.

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  8. What about women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Astronaut suits need to have bulges to accomodate for women breasts.

  9. come on, admit it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    you're just a perv. too much anime and space opera.

  10. OT: REALITY CHECK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Given this bloody record, why should anyone be surprised that those
    who have been targeted by the United States have sought to strike
    back?

    The same media that is now screaming for blood has routinely applauded
    the use of violence against whatever country or people are deemed to
    be obstacles to US interests. Let us recall the words of New York
    Times columnist Thomas Friedman, who had this to say to the Serbian
    people during the US bombing campaign in 1999: It should be
    lights out in Belgrade: every power grid, water pipe, road and
    war-related factory has to be hit.... [W]e will set your country back
    by pulverizing you. You want 1950? We can do 1950. You want 1389? We
    can do 1389.

    The foreign policy of the US is a mixture of cynicism, brutality and
    irresponsibility. Washington has pursued a course that has inflamed
    the hatred of large sections of the worlds population, creating
    an environment in which recruits can be found for bloody terrorist
    operations. In rare moments of candor, foreign policy specialists have
    acknowledged that the actions of the United States provoke hatred and
    the desire for retribution. During the Balkan War, former Secretary of
    State Lawrence Eagleburger stated: Weve presented to the
    rest of the world a vision of the bully on the block who pushes a
    button, people out there die, we dont pay anything except the
    cost of a missile ... thats going to haunt us in terms of
    trying to deal with the rest of the world in the years ahead.

    This insight has not prevented the same Eagleburger from declaring
    Tuesday night that the United States should respond to the destruction
    of the World Trade Center by dropping bombs immediately on any country
    that might have been involved.

    George W. Bushs address to the nation Tuesday evening
    epitomized the arrogance and blindness of the American ruling class.
    Far from America being the brightest beacon for freedom and
    opportunity in the world, the US is seen by tens of millions as
    the main enemy of their human and democratic rights, and the main
    source of their oppression. The American ruling elite, in its
    insolence and cynicism, acts as if it can carry out its violent
    enterprises around the world without creating the political conditions
    for violent acts of retribution.

    In the immediate aftermath of Tuesdays attacks, US authorities
    and the media are once again declaring that Osama bin Laden is
    responsible. This is possible, although, as always, they present no
    evidence to back up their claim.

    But the charge that bin Laden is the culprit raises a host of
    troubling questions. Given the fact that the US has declared this
    individual to be the worlds most deadly terrorist, whose every
    move is tracked with the aid of the most technologically sophisticated
    and massive intelligence apparatus, how could bin Laden organize such
    an elaborate attack without being detected? An attack, moreover,
    against the same New York skyscraper that was hit in 1993?

    The devastating success of his assault would indicate that, from the
    standpoint of the American government, the crusade against terrorism
    has been far more a campaign of propaganda to justify US military
    violence around the world than a conscientious effort to protect the
    American people.

    Moreover, both bin Laden and the Taliban mullahs, whom the US accuses
    of harboring him, were financed and armed by the Reagan-Bush
    administration to fight pro-Soviet regimes in Afghanistan in the
    1980s. If they are involved in Tuesdays operations, then the
    American CIA and political establishment are guilty of having nurtured
    the very forces that carried out the bloodiest attack on American
    civilians in US history.

    The escalation of US militarism abroad will inevitably be accompanied
    by intensified attacks on democratic rights at home. The first victims
    of the war fever being whipped up are Arab-Americans, who are already
    being subjected to death threats and other forms of harassment as a
    result of the media hysteria.

    The calls from both Republican and Democratic politicians for a
    declaration of war foreshadow a more general crackdown on opponents of
    American foreign policy. General Norman Schwarzkopf, who commanded
    American troops in the 1991 invasion of Iraq, spoke for much of the
    political and military elite when he declared on television that the
    war on alleged terrorist supporters should be conducted inside as well
    as outside the borders of the US.

    It is the policies pursued by the United States, driven by the
    strategic and financial interests of the ruling elite, which laid the
    foundations for the nightmare that unfolded on Tuesday. The actions
    now being contemplated by the Bush administrationindicated by
    the presidents threat to make no distinction between the
    terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor
    themwill only set the stage for further catastrophes.

    1. Re:OT: REALITY CHECK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      -Lets find who did this, they'll PAY!
      -I know who did this.
      -What? Where? Wow! How? WHO?
      -18 terrorists, they're dead now.
      -Damn, I was feeling like kicking some BUTT!
      -Sorry. Now go home.

  11. I demand a recount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'm Al Gore. I demand a recount! I'm Al Gore. I demand a damn recount! I'm Al Gore. I demand a goddamn recount! I'm Al Gore. I demand a fucking recount! I'm Al Gore. I demand a mother fucking recount! I'm Al Gore. I demand a recount! I'm Al Gore. I demand a mother fucking recount!

    And fuck the postercomment compression filter. Recount that son of a bitch, too.

    1. Re:I demand a recount! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Make no mistake about it, I won.

  12. Skin-tight suits by Merk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In nearly all sci-fi, people in space wear skin-tight suits. Since space is a vacuum, I can understand why a suit would tend to billow out, but does anybody know if it is possible to make a non-bulky skinsuit? Maybe something like the G suits pilots wear? Maybe something related to scuba diving (though I know the pressure difference there is the opposite)? I dunno, but if I'm not going to get my hovercar anytime soon, I at least want my spacesuit.

    1. Re:Skin-tight suits by demo9orgon · · Score: 2, Informative
      In Sci-Fi, anime, and whatnot, I think skin-tight spacesuits on women are probably there for more aesthetic reasons. :-)

      What you're talking about is called a "positive pressure" suit. The premise being that if you can apply 15+lbs/sq.ft on someone's body in a consistent fashion, then you don't have to create a bubble around them by using pressurized air. The problem with elastic suits like this was the hands and the joints, which would comically bulge creating unequal areas of lesser pressure and rendering the suit somewhat useless.

      Enjoy the karma...

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    2. Re:Skin-tight suits by jinx90277 · · Score: 5, Informative
      The three main factors which cause spacesuits to be thick, bulky items:
      1. Cooling. Spacesuits have a liquid cooling system as one of the innermost layers to keep heat from building up rapidly (and fatally) inside the suit. There is obviously a limit to how small those capillaries can be and still be effective.
      2. Puncture resistance. The danger of suit integrity being compromised after falling or rubbing against rocks is something to consider. There is also the danger of being struck by a micro-meteorite, although it would be somewhat less likely on Mars than on the Moon.
      3. Radiation resistance. Outside of the Earth's atmosphere, radiation intensity increases tremendously. Although some materials are better at stopping high-energy particles than others, they are also more dense, which defeats the idea of a skintight suit.
      Also, don't forget features such as waste removal which add to suit size, though conceivably storage for that could be integrated into a backpack or other external unit.
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    3. Re:Skin-tight suits by Chagrin · · Score: 3, Informative

      More information regarding the suit is available at the Hamilton Sundstrand site: http://www.hsssi.com/SystemSolutions/protectivesui t.html

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      I/O Error G-17: Aborting Installation

    4. Re:Skin-tight suits by serutan · · Score: 1

      There have been articles here about smart clothing that will change color and size. Why not smart spacesuits? I have no doubt that in the future there will be skin-tight suits that will maintain proper temp, flex with (or assist) body movements, and maintain a constant even pressure over the entire body by adjusting the lengths of the fibers. Not soon, but someday, why not?

  13. Kill All Sand Niggers by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    if there's one thing the last week has taught me, it's that it's time for some good, old-fashioned, all-American mass xenophobic hysteria. kill a raghead for Christ today!

  14. and before I got to space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    they'll need to add a huge bulge for my penis

  15. early post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    props to all dead homiez. fuck niggers. fuck mackga. fuck cyborg_monkey. fuck evil_spork. fuck cmdrtaco on. fuck you. fuck 'em all. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck.

  16. Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m by dirtyhippie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    > In fact, it should be incredibly obvious that
    > the concept of a 110-story building even being
    > built, much less two, is a clear and obvious
    > fraud. No documentation of these "twin towers"
    > existed before a "terrorist attack" occured on
    > the previously-nonexistent pair of skyscrapers
    > on September the 11th.

    I guess it's too early for any sort of sense of humor on the subject.

  17. I'm pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I can't believe goatse.cx has changed their main page.
    The guy is gone from there.
    look for yourself.

    1. Re:I'm pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I can't believe goatse.cx has changed their main page.

      Don't be sad, it will come back. And when it comes back, can you say "score:+4 archived link to goatse.cx on slashdot"?? The trolls win on this one, just be patient.

    2. Re:I'm pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      fuck you towelhead

  18. Not enough time. by BrookHarty · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    When we go to Mars, best case right now, you would be in transit for six months," Hodgson says. Once the spacecraft reached the planet, it could stay for only a few days.

    A couple days seem a bad return on billions of dollars. Mars base on the other hand....

    1. Re:Not enough time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      goddamn you nigger

    2. Re:Not enough time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read more carefully.... It says explicitly that a trip to Mars would probably require a stay of almost 2 years. Geez, it's in the next paragraph! Some people are just so keen on pointing out the negative that they won't even bother reading?

    3. Re:Not enough time. by demo9orgon · · Score: 1
      You're right, it's like paying a tens of millions dollars to take a red-eye to Las Vegas, on the way you exercise like a rabid hamster, get wicked radiation poisoning, brittle bones, and eat babyfood coming and going and are constantly asked to follow some list of crap to do. Oh yeah, and hope to hell the centrpetial toilet/vacuum thingy doesn't screw up.

      Can't say I'm too impressed with the idea of a Mars base yet. I've followed the progress of the one up north (Devon Island--great job), and I don't see much in the way of returns. Maybe I just suffer from not having enough imagination to feel that putting people on Mars actually accomplishes much.

      Personally, I'd like to see some of the technologies pioneered on the DeepSpace 1 mission applied to "Wildcatters", automated scouting vessels which would assay the mineral wealth of the asteroid belts. We need to get humanity up the gravity well and into orbit, and the only way to do that is to justify the expense, and if we can smelter and cast/synthesize perfect metals up in microgravity, it would go a long way towards paying the bills. We can do some wild stuff with metals in microgravity (Gundainium anyone?) and that's a technology that doesn't violate any religious beliefs, and it would possbily even make Greenpeace happy by reducing the potential for near-earth-objects.

      Once space exploration pays it's bills, we're going to leapfrog through the system and eventually to other stars. Until then, the space programs of the planet are nothing more than a way to spy and play diplomacy games in a weak attempt to legitimately recoup multi-billion dollar RnD budgets and college research programs.

      Yow! Guess I had space on the brain tonite!

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    4. Re:Not enough time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod this guy up

    5. Re:Not enough time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this isnt offtopic, lame ass moderators.

  19. goatse.cx has changed their main page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I can't believe it.

    1. Re:goatse.cx has changed their main page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      it is truly a dark day when the goatsex man is brought down. we must strike back and strike back hard. we must ram them where it hurts the most

  20. WHO THE FUCK REALLY CARES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    are you all fucking androids??

  21. MMM PENIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    mmmmmmm i love penis

  22. Problems abound.. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Interesting



    I dont think any suit short of multiple layers of Kevlar (heh, like a hundred) is going to protect an astronaut from being killed by a fleck of paint going 20,000 MPH..Thats the main problem I think should be addressed. I'd be more concerned about physical safety than I would be about mobility.

    Cheers,

    --
    Bowie J. Poag

    1. Re:Problems abound.. by sunking2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, a study was done about this and it was determined that while working outside of the ISS, the HUT can withstand a hit from an object about the size of a pencil eraser without being penetrated. Unfortunately, I can't remember the actual speed that this assumed the object was moving at, but I think around 20K mph is ball park. The speed in which this study was asked for and done makes me suspect that there may have been a near miss of some sort during a mission. Officially we'll probably never find that out.

  23. Jeri Ryan in space by Glytch · · Score: 2

    Imagine 38 of D in zero-G.

    1. Re:Jeri Ryan in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine 38 of D in zero-G.

      It would look just like underwater breasts.

    2. Re:Jeri Ryan in space by alannon · · Score: 2

      I don't have to imagine. They already have her chest area hooked up to some sort of anti-gravity unit.

    3. Re:Jeri Ryan in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine 38 of D in a rapidly oscillating gravitational field, more like. Now that would be worth watching.

  24. What about suits for Dickless Wonders (females)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What about space suits for the penis challenged?

    As you may know, extended stay in a suit in the airforce is miserable for females once the primary diaper padding is soiled.

    catheterizing may help, but self catheterizing is difficult and prone to problems over multiple usage. Even worse, extgended catheterization of female urethra weakens an already very weak structure.

    The male urethra has a strong ring of circular bands to prevent not only urine output, but to prevent massive retrograde ejaculation.

    Basically thick viscous ejaculate matter can go only forward, not backward into the bladder.

    Females, unfortunately, lack a solid ring and as can be seen in anatomical photo cross sections, possess two bulbous muscular clumps to serve as a partial seal.

    That is one reason many females are more incontinent than men, and why many more females urinate while giggling than men.

    Elderly men with prostate problems are a different problem.

    But without penii, it is aparent that these space suits are miserable eternal wet diapers for females.

    this is asuming that females are going to be needed in space for critical work in the first place and equal to mens endurance, strength, and intellect.

  25. The drawing in the photo shows comfortable woman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The drawing in the story shows a sight hard to believe, a biological female comfortable on mars.

    As you may know, extended stay in a suit in the airforce is miserable for females once the primary diaper padding (for females) is soiled.

    Catheterizing may help, but self catheterizing is difficult and prone to problems over multiple chronic application. Even worse, extgended-duration catheterization of female urethra weakens an already very weak structure.

    The male urethra has a strong ring of circular bands to prevent not only urine output, but to prevent massive retrograde ejaculation.

    Basically thick viscous ejaculate matter can go only forward, not backward into the bladder.

    Females, unfortunately, lack a solid ring and as can be seen in anatomical photo cross sections, possess two bulbous muscular clumps to serve as a partial seal.

    That is one reason many females are more incontinent than men, and why many more females urinate while giggling than men.

    Elderly men with prostate problems are a different problem, and I am discounting their statistics here..

    But without penii, it is aparent that these space suits are miserable eternal wet diapers for females.

    this is asuming that females are going to be needed in space for critical work in the first place.

  26. Fukk me I'm a furry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    tr00l! onmygodim a tr00l on shasldhot what willi think of n3xt?

  27. Interesting Stuff by Johnny+Starrock · · Score: 1

    Maybe this could mean the US and Russians will finally standardize on one space suit, instead of having to spend millions on an airlock because god forbid we cooperate...

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    end communication
    1. Re:Interesting Stuff by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      Actually, Ham Sund does alot of work on the Russian suit now. There have been several occasions when I've walked into the lab area and seen a US and Russian suit side by side being worked on. The actual company is Space Systems Internation and our web page is here.

      Here's a picture of the employee lobby which shows from right to left: Apollo moon suit, I believe a mercury suit, gemini suit, current shuttle eva suit, and then a mars prototype suit.

      You'll see to the right of the mars suit is a little rover. The idea being that the rover would follow the atronaught around, carrying any tools, oxygen, etc, etc for him. Something like this will probably be needed because the different in gravity between the moon and mars is enough that the weight of the suit needs to be reduced in order to increase the endurance of the astronaut.

      I can tell you that there will only be one replacement suit that everyone in the world will use (Except maybe the chineese, who can tell about them). There is a major drive in the industry for consolidation.

  28. Re:The drawing in the photo shows comfortable woma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Nah, women can pee just like men, they just don't admit it.

  29. Need to provide critical functions, not fashion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Spacesuits are special clothes that are made in order to protect the bodies of astronauts in the space. Astronauts may keep being alive by wearing spacesuits in the space at all times. Human beings are not able to keep their lives in the space by wearing clothes as those on the earth. For this
    reason, astronauts wear specially manufactured spacesuits so that they can endure the vaccuum, radiation, and temperatures.

    Mars is a different environment from that of the earth on which we live. It is a space in which there is practically no atmospheric pressure nor significant oxygen, and the extremely hot and cold environments are repeated by the solar energy. Also, astronauts are threatened by the space dust
    flying around at a fast speed, various electronic waves, radiation, etc. Therefore, in order for an astronaut to come out of a spaceship and to move around freely, and to urinate.

    This post was first marked -1 troll, then mismoderated to offtopic. Clearly the most on topic post in the thread at this moment is the following post.

    It regards the main artwork of the story and discusses the problem of LONG TERM space suit usage.

    The drawing in the story shows a sight hard to believe, a biological female comfortable on mars.

    As you may know, extended stay in a suit in the airforce is miserable for females once the primary diaper padding (for females) is soiled.

    catheterizing may help, but self catheterizing is difficult and prone to problems over multiple usage. Even worse, extgended catheterization of female urethra weakens an already very weak structure.

    The male urethra has a strong ring of circular bands (including "fundus ring") to prevent not only urine output, but to prevent massive retrograde ejaculation. A backup sphincter of striated, not smooth, muscle assists in male continence as well.

    Basically thick viscous ejaculate matter can go only forward, not backward through the sphincter into the bladder.

    Females, unfortunately, lack a solid ring and as can be seen in anatomical photo cross sections, possess two bulbous muscular clumps to serve as a partial seal.

    That is one reason many females are more incontinent than men, and why many more females urinate while giggling than men.

    Elderly men with prostate problems are a different problem.

    But without penii, it is aparent that these space suits are miserable eternal wet diapers for females.

    This is asuming that females are going to be needed in space for critical work in the first place.

    Did the moderator even LOOK at the story before slamming this to -1?

  30. looks weird by mobets · · Score: 1, Funny

    Am I the only one who thinks it looks like something out of an ould sci-fi movie. I'm a bit young but the first thing that poped into my head was "Danger Danger"

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    It was me, I did it, I moved your cheese
    1. Re:looks weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only sci-fi part is the lipstick bearing fuck-box smiling away in the drawing on mars while four days of urine slosh around inside her suit, unable to be dual port voided outside the suit.

      Plus the suit is a mockup and not a real suit.

  31. Re:The drawing in the photo shows comfortable woma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the problem is that it cannot be sleeved (sheathed) to collect waste in a leg bag with a oneway valve, allowing 5 days of steady collection before desuiting.

    vaccuum prevents, or hinders, desuiting. In fact , using a dual seal method, the waste can be portted out a vent after sealing a clasp before the bag.

    This "urine dump" results in a spectacular shower of crystalized sparking urine.

    Current suits do not have urine dump features or multiday collection.

    And suits for females NEVER will.

    This evidently requires the moderator to make this -1 perpetually.

    strange.

  32. Kill All Muslims. Islam is a pig religion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    The moans of the dead demand justice:
    1. Kill all Arabs.
    2. Kill all Muslims.
    3. Kill all Mohammedans.
    4. Kill all Towel Heads.
    5. Kill all Camel Jockeys
    6. Kill all Islam.
    7. Nuke their countries to hell.
    8. Nuke them again.
    9. Death to Islam.

    I piss on Mecca. I wipe my ass with the Koran. I spit upon Mohammed.

  33. The iSuit? by spauldo · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    Am I the only one who sees this and wonders if it will come in nifty translucent colors?

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  34. EXCUTIVE BRANCH, congress deny insurance to WTC!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Its true the day of the bombing both the republicans and democratic senators said to reporters that they woud vote on DENYING INSURANCE CLAIMS to all the victims of the WTC bombings!

    The next day President Bush said the same thing TWICE, in one instance it was in an actual speech now called by the press the "Acts of War" speech!

    Finally Colin Powwel from the State Department answerred at 6pm two days ago on a live NPR news interview if the state department would consider denying all the dead victims any life insurance policy money under the Acts of War exclusionary clauses in over 90% of all insurance parpers and riders... he not only concurred... Colin Powell claimed it was TWO ACTS OF WAR!

    This means that the dead fbi and dead firemen also get NADDA!

    Zip!

    Zero!

    Nothing!

    In 1995 WTC mini-bombing one insurance company tried to go to court and claim that terrorist act was an act of war and that they would not pay.... they backed down. they had no official government assistence.

    I knew this crap would happed BEFORE THE FIRST TOWER FELL.

    I was correct, sadly. Many people in LA on talk radio now agreee with me.

    The government is willing to tax us 40 BILLION for new antiterror programs but not allow any people to collect from otherwise beleagured insurance underwriters.

    What do you think! Its true.

  35. Power Armor!! by Dreven · · Score: 1

    As a Sci-Fi Geek, I won't be happy until everyone in space has a set of Power Armor with weapons and jump jets fully integrated!! :)

  36. Get rid of this by lythari · · Score: 0

    Can someone please mod this down or remove this post.

    Let's try to be civil here at /., despite what's happened this week.

  37. ok, i hate to flame by GaylordFucker · · Score: -1

    first off.. i haven't posted since the tragedy... R.I.P to all the innocent victims... and my hopes and prayers go out to their families and friends... and i still believe there is a chance we can rescue these men and women... secondly, Ralph JewHater Nader is LEBANESE!! he is a fucking sand nigger!!! Read THIS for proof... we're gonna kill each and every one of these sand niggers for this horrific act... this means you Ralph! You racist, nazi sand nigger!!

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    Get that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis
    1. Re:ok, i hate to flame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn right! I especially hope that his racist ass comes down first! Give him a special bullet!

  38. OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that was about fucking bizarre

  39. Ceramic heaters? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd think, in space and such, with a proper insulative suit, the problem isn't generating heat, because the human body does that okay... it's shedding excess heat!

    The human body, unfortunately, doesn't cool down by radiating in the IR range; it cools down via evaporation of sweat.

    So in a skintight suit, the sweat would pool and collect into a thin puddle under the suit and heat would start to build up pretty quickly, I think.

    I have no idea how the Dune stillsuits conquered that problem...

    1. Re:Ceramic heaters? by transient · · Score: 1

      I have no idea how the Dune stillsuits conquered that problem...

      last i checked, they conquered that problem by being fictitious.

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    2. Re:Ceramic heaters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they drained off and filtered the sweat into drinking pouches.

    3. Re:Ceramic heaters? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      That doesn't get rid of heat, however. What can we do? Strap a portable AC unit and cool down the water? Where does the AC unit vent heat in the Martian atmosphere? How does it vent heat? The problem doesn't disappear, because there is so little atmosphere that the only way I can see to vent heat is via the radiation of IR...

    4. Re:Ceramic heaters? by smurfi · · Score: 1
      The human body does cool by IR radiation, as does any other object. The question is, how fast is that (answer: "In vacuum, less than it generates"). Plus, ordinarily the environment radiates back.


      It also cools by simple heat exchange with its environment, which is not a problem in vacuum 'cause there's no environment to exchange heat with there. On Mars, which does have a somewhat hostile atmosphere, this is a problem.

  40. Not a problem.. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

    Where are you going to find flecks of paint traveling 20kmph on the surface of Mars?

    I would have to hazard the existence of an EVA suit and a ''Planetary Descent Hazard' suit. At least it'd be something more comfortable and utilitarian than the short if cute yeoman's miniskirts in Star Trek.

    1. Re:Not a problem.. by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      See how easy it is to mix imperial and metric meassures on mars?

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    2. Re:Not a problem.. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      Well, yeah. 20k=20,000
      mph=miles per hour

      Of course, the way I said it, 20kmph, looks like 20km per hour.

      I think I would have said 20kph if I meant km per hour, but there's no guarantee =)

  41. Dune's Stillsuits! by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

    I still don't think it was ever discussed how they shed heat in a stillsuit, especially if they recycled and collected all the sweat... no evaporation means no heat loss, right?

    1. Re:Dune's Stillsuits! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stillsuit used the recycled water to transfer heat from the users body to the outside.

    2. Re:Dune's Stillsuits! by serutan · · Score: 1

      Dude, 2 things:
      1. Stillsuits are not spacesuits.
      2. Stillsuits are not real.

  42. Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but what proof do I have that you exist? I think _you_ are the hoax.

    P.S. You can't quote "I think therefore I am" as an argument. You aren't demonstrating anthing remotely like thought.

  43. Islam is a pig religion. Kill All Muslims. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    The dead cry out for vengeance:
    1. Kill all Arbs.
    2. Kill all Muslims.
    3. Kill all Mohammedans.
    4. Kill all Towel Heads.
    5. Kill all Caml Jockeys.
    6. Kill all Dune Coons.
    7. Kill all Islam.
    8. Nuke their countries to hell.
    9. Nuke them again.
    10. Death to Islam.

    I piss on Mecca. I wipe my ass with the Koran. I spit upon Mohammed.

  44. OLD SPACE SUITS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Of all the facts in the article, the one I found most interesting is that the current EVA (Extra Vehicular Activity) suit is an astonishing 24 years old"

    Yeah. I wish I had some beta XP style suit with many new features so that I could die in cold space all alone.

    What damn reason do we need new space suits for. The arguments here sound cosmetic. The object of wearing a space suit is to keep alive and do work in the worst environment ever known to man.

    And if you want a skin tight suit that will withstand a crack from a washer going 20,000 miles an hour forget it. The heat dissapation alone would vaporize a human.

    It is arrogant for a bunch of computer jocks to think you could engineer everthing much better than it is now. I understand it, I even hope our generation whips some serious smack down on the engineering world. But, there are people who DO this.

    AS if computers run for shit now as it is. They have a hell of long road before they are another ma bell or eiffel tower or autobahn or municipal electric service or even cable tv.

    Go back to work on computers, at least then you stand a shot at changing the world for the better.

    1. Re:OLD SPACE SUITS by pagsz · · Score: 1

      What damn reason do we need new space suits for. The arguments here sound cosmetic.

      The new spacesuits are being designed with Mars in mind. The old EVA spacesuits weigh 300 pounds in Earth gravity, and would weigh 114 pounds on Mars. Not exactly easy to work in. Not only that, but the current spacesuit would be prone to lock-ups in a Martian environment. The mechanical joints of the suit (required because the air pressure makes bending the suit impossible otherwise) could easily be fouled by Martian dust. This is not a problem in space, and not really a problem on the moon.

      And if you want a skin tight suit that will withstand a crack from a washer going 20,000 miles an hour forget it

      A: Like I said, the new suits are designed with Mars in mind (where washers going 20 KMPH isn't exaclty a problem), and B: This is a problem already addressed by NASA on current spacewalks. Missions are planned to avoid floating debris (NORAD currently tracks all objects in Earth orbit 1 cm in diameter or larger), and the space shuttle itself is used as a shield against debris any smaller.

      So, yeah, the new spacesuits are needed if we have any plans of going to Mars.

      And in response to this:

      Yeah. I wish I had some beta XP style suit with many new features so that I could die in cold space all alone.

      Unlike Micro$oft, NASA actually tests things before going into full production.

      Praying for the victims at the WTC and Pentagon,

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      -- If any of the above made sense, I assure it was purely by accident.
    2. Re:OLD SPACE SUITS by kaszeta · · Score: 2
      What damn reason do we need new space suits for?

      Because the current suits aren't appropriate for use on Mars, as per the article.

      The comment in the lead article, "the current EVA suit is 24 years old" is incorrect and misleading.

      Yes, the current suits are descendents or the A7LB suits used in Apollo. But since then, the design has been anything but static. The Apollo suits were designed for two things---as pressure suits for use in EVA situations, and as excursion suits for use on the Lunar surface. The Apollo suits had a number of features on them (the complicated joints in the legs to allow walking, the lunar overshoes, etc) that made them appropriate for lunar use.

      However, the EVA requirements for the shuttle are different than for Apollo, and the suits evolved appropriately, with more cameras, simpler legs, a hard upper torso for better pressure control, metal ring joints instead of zippers, etc. The current suits are much better for EVA use than the Apollo A7LB suits. But a number of these features aren't good for planetary use. The Hard Upper Torso adds a *lot* of weight. The PLSS is very heavy for 1/3 gravity use. The legs need to be modified to allow walking again. Etc...

      If we are going to Mars, a new suite optimized for the new conditions (including the fact that it needs to be designed to last for the years that travel to and from Mars requires) is needed. It must allow mobility, must be reusable, must have less weight, and many other factors.

    3. Re:OLD SPACE SUITS by Metox · · Score: 1

      Hey!
      I qualified my comments by stating that there are logical reasons for NOT designing a new suit. Not the least of which is that in a microgravity environment mobility isn't as important as dexterity. My understanding is that the arms, and the gloves in particular, were one of the upgrades made to the current suit. That, and small upgrades to the life support systems as well.

      While the ideas about a skin tight suit are interesting while impractical, they do show that some people have IMAGINATIONS. Without which none of our spaceflight would even be possible.

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      "Chemestry is Physics without thought. Mathematics is Physics without purpose."
    4. Re:OLD SPACE SUITS by Metox · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly, the Shuttle suits were plagued with problems the first few times they were used. Also I seem to recall NASA sending up the old Apollo suits as emergency backups to use if the Shuttle bay doors had to be manually shut.

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      "Chemestry is Physics without thought. Mathematics is Physics without purpose."
  45. Wot no resupply pods? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    Seems very mad to me. The problem with the journey to Mars is a human problem. There should be no issue with sending a continual supply of food and materials. Leave them in orbit round mars till needed. Then either dock with the mother ship when it arrives or drop through the atmosphere for delivery on planet as needed.

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  46. Like this? by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 1

    She comes in colours.

    This comment is not lame. I promise. Maybe.

    1. Re:Like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's it. That's the suit I want.

      *whistle* What a time to be alive...

      Of course, you'd still probably have to remove 42 pieces in order to change the hair ribbon.

  47. Necessary? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

    I don't know that much about Mars atmosphere, pressure, and so on, so this might be a silly question, but...

    Do they need suits at all? Is running around the surface of Mars that much different than being halfway up Mt Everest? If it's too cold for extended trips, then a suit would be great, but if it's warm enough to go outside for a while, imagine how an astronaut would feel with the wind against his/her bare skin - knowing that it's the wind of a different planet...

    1. Re:Necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mars has virtually no magnetic field and so has no real radiation protection, also the soil is very oxidising and so some protection suit is necessary regardless of atmospheric differences.

      The Atmosphere is meant to be about 1/6th of Earths so I think it is more (extreme) skydiving than mountaineering.

      Since the Mars-o-nauts will have to run geological experiments and set up lots of equipment I guess NASA/ESA/etc. is going to do its best to make the staff comfortable rather than merely survivable (especially since there is no chance any accidents can be airlifted to well equiped hospitals - the only medical supplies they have are what they take)

    2. Re:Necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... the Martian 'atmosphere' is actually quite a bit less than halfway up Mount Everest. A whole lot less in fact, it might be better described as a couple thousand feet down from a low orbit. See the martian 'atmosphere' consists mainly of carbon dioxide, which, is meltoff from the ice caps, and from deposited carbon dioxide ice on the surface. The temperature itself mandates suits as it hovers around the temperature required for solid carbon dioxide, only increasing a few degrees above that even in the warmest of times.

    3. Re:Necessary? by Random+Walk · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Interesting question indeed. Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is about 6 millibar, which on Earth corresponds to a height of 35 km above sea level (4 times higher than Mt. Everest).

      Obviously at least the lungs must be pressurized, but what about the rest of the body ? There is some information on the consequences of such low pressure for the human body at this page (also some real cases discussed). Apparently some water vapor will evolve in the soft tissues and cause swelling of the body. This can be prevented by "a properly fitted elastic garment" at pressures as low as 20 millibar. It is not clear whether this would work at the 6 milibar on Mars.

  48. nice try by ReidMaynard · · Score: 1

    What we have here is someone new to trolling. See how lame a comment he makes? Now, he'll crawl back into his hole and think about this for a while before emerging and trying again elsewhere.

    This has been brought to you by Mutual of Omaha's Wild Troll Kingdom.

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  49. Re:Need to provide critical functions, not fashion by transient · · Score: 1

    Did the moderator even LOOK at the story before slamming this to -1?

    i'm willing to bet that choice phrases like "What about suits for Dickless Wonders" and "What about space suits for the penis challenged" were among the reasons for the post's demise.

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  50. Re:Need to provide critical functions, not fashion by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Menstration is not really a problem. If needed, there are drugs available that will all but halt the menstration process. Also, although they make up a relatively small percentage of EVAs, women hold some of the longest duration space walks ever. And we aren't talking about just floating in space, we are talking about rigorous work such as assembling parts of the ISS. The reasoning behind this has generally been that women have a lower repseratory rate than most men, and are typically smaller, which gives them a center of mass more suitable for work in a weightless environment.

    Of course, the disadvantage of this is that the suits have to be that much smaller, and currently there is an awefull lot packed into each suit. It used to be that each suit was designed for an individual. Now they come in sizes. Currently work is being done on an extra small suit, with the target astronaut being Japanees females.

  51. old == reliable by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the one I found most interesting is that the current EVA (Extra Vehicular Activity) suit is an astonishing 24 years old

    On the other hand, nobody has died or been injured in the last 24 years because of their suit. There's something to be said for that kind of reliability.

  52. Leather Goddess Garb by gelfling · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why can't they just use those metal and leather thongs with the metal bras and fur trim and big ass spears, spike heel thigh high boots. The men can dress like gladiators. At least that's how it is in the movies.

  53. Re:Need to provide critical functions, not fashion by ryanvm · · Score: 2
    The male urethra has a strong ring of circular bands (including "fundus ring") to prevent not only urine output, but to prevent massive retrograde ejaculation.

    Don't knock retrograde ejaculation until you try it.

    But seriously, you wonder why your post was moderated as offtopic? You could have summed up 3/4 of it with - "Current spacesuits were designed without proper consideration of the female anatomy." Instead you ramble on about "bulbous muscular clumps" and whatnot for nearly 10 paragraphs.

  54. Not NASA by anon757 · · Score: 1

    As usual, it's not NASA that is doing the major research in this area, it's private companies. Same as the research being done at Devon Island, etc. NASA has no intrest in sending humans to Mars any time soon. It will be private companies, or orginizaions like the Mars Society that will send humans to Mars, not NASA.
    (The Mars society actually has a cool new project underway, they are planning to launch some mice into orbit & simulate Mars gravity, so they can test the effects on mammals, & their offspring. Slightly more important and practical research than most of what NASA is doing)

    1. Re:Not NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get real. yes, nasa is not doing the really pro-active research into mars, etc like the mars society is. but facts are facts, no one but governmental agencies now (or in the near future so save the x-prize arguement) has the capability or prayer of funding for a full-up manned mars mission.

    2. Re:Not NASA by anon757 · · Score: 1

      Well, not according to Zubrin's Mars direct plan. His plan would send astronauts for a 6 month stay for 10 Billion dollars. Bill gates himself could finance that.

    3. Re:Not NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure he could, but he wouldn't. there's no profit in space exploration. thus, i stand by my original comment: right now, only governments can afford to explore space.

  55. Sex differentiation? by sharkey · · Score: 2

    Notice the molding on the "H-Suit" worn by the male model. Will the female version have a bust molded into it, and be missing that raised portion on the cod-piece?

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  56. Yes, they can get back by The+Breeze · · Score: 1

    Specifically, see this link for an explanation of the "SAFER" system - basically, nitrogen jets.

    http://www.sciam.com/2000/0600issue/0600working. ht ml

  57. test, please ignore by wurp · · Score: 1

    testing my posting abilities...

  58. H-suit by rig12 · · Score: 1

    The real question is will the H-suit be hacked and get all the porn channels??

  59. You want MicroVision by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    They make retinal displays.

    http://www.mvis.com/retscandisp.htm

    Good stuff. The cell phone gizmo is at the bottom, that's your PDA.

    Full Disclosure: I've lost a good deal of money on their stock.

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  60. Just call it a HEV suit and be done with it! by James+Skarzinskas · · Score: 0

    Oh, and maybe name every astronaut "Gordon Freeman" :P

  61. We really do need new space suits for the ISS by cmowire · · Score: 2

    We really do need new space suits for the ISS. I suspect that they primarily got hit with budget cutting to reduce the cost of the station to something that won't cause it to be canned for being too expensive.

    The main annoyance with the current suits is that they operate at pure oxygen at a reduced pressure. This can very easily cause "The Bends", so you need to have an overnight pre-breathe.

    Jerry Pournelle argues that we need a zero-pre-breathe suit that is easy to deal with. Why? Because that way, you could assemble structures in space. For the long truss structure for the ISS, we are sending up integrated chunks. If EVA planning was easier and we send up ironworkers instead of scientists, we could send up components of a space structure in any booster, large or small, and assemble them into a completed structure. This makes more sense when you consider that it is far easier to create a reusable launch vehicle that has a quarter of the cargo-carying capacity of the shuttle than one that has the cargo-carying capacity of the shuttle.

    It's also good because you can have your final product as lightly constructed as a butterfly.

    I only half agree with Jerry Pournelle, instead figuring that what we need more is a large inflatable hangar. That way, you don't need to deal with your parts floating into orbit and becomming part of the space debris problem, you don't need any sort of space suit, and you don't need to deal with maintaining the space suits.

    I really would love it if somebody could reference some real research about skintight spacesuits for my reference files. I mean, if we ever want more people in space, an inexpensive skintight spacesuit would be great so that every room could have a few ready in case of depresurization.

    1. Re:We really do need new space suits for the ISS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the russian orlan suit is a zero pre-breathe suit.

  62. Beg to differ on flexibiity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The flexibility (ability of a suited astronaut to move without restriction) is of vital importance to any space endeavor. Just ask any of the spacewalkers from the apollo testing program. A vast majority of energy expended in space is due to the inability to hold positions other than "normal" (pressurized shape of the suit.) In one of Cernan's first spacewalks, the primary mission was scrubbed because he fatigued too rapidly. Overheating and exhaustion are the primary dangers. Cernan had so much difficulty getting back into the capsule in a pressurized suit that he went through almost bone breaking contortions to squeeze into the pilots chair enough to close the hatch. The first Societ spacewalker had to depressurize his suit to operate the airlock system. Don't get me wrong, suits have gotten better, but until we have a suit that can allow full freedom of motion with almost zero strength needed to hold position, we will be severely limited in our space construction abilities.