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World's First XP System Sold

A reader writes "New zealands largest OEM PC Manufacturer, The PC Company sold the worlds first Windows XP system. Details can be found at this article on NZoom" And so, it begins.

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  1. Re:All Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The All Blacks are NZ's national rugby team.

  2. Re:All Black by nagora · · Score: 4, Informative
    It means he plays Rugby for the national team, who play in black shorts, boots, socks, and shirts, and are generally referred to as "The All Blacks".

    TWW

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  3. Re:All Black by bfree · · Score: 5, Informative

    Congratulations, you have passed slashdot's "you are a dumb insular American test"! Just kidding :-)

    While Americans ignore most of the worlds sport and simply invent their own to have American World Champions, many countries play the same sports! This reference to "All Black" refers to the New Zealand Rugby Union team who are historically one of the most respected and best forces in Rugby. They are called All Blacks as their strip is all black! The press are mentioning this as it was obviously a publicity stunt by The PC Company to ensure greter coverage in their native NZ (and in fact it is a good enough gimmic to probably get some attention outside NZ). A quick look at a google search and this page also suggests Mr. Howlett might have been chosen as "the fastest man in NZ rugby". I guess we won't really know unless someone can show us the material The PC Company are putting out.

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  4. Re:Shipping already? by Suppafly · · Score: 4, Informative

    generally, in the past, oem's have received new MS OS's some time before you can buy a non-oem version.

  5. Windows in not sucking shocker. by Fweeky · · Score: 5, Informative

    XP, basically being a polished 2k, is nice and stable - 12 days playing games, installing crap, uninstalling crap, hibernating almost every night and generally Doing Stuff isn't bad.

    I finally rebooted it when it took a worryingly long time to hibernate (this, to the uninitiated, involves writing all memory out to disk, suspending drivers etc so the system can come back up in it's original state) - which I think's fair enough, seeing as it's quite a large task to ask any OS to do.

    XP also happens to boot very fast.. in fact, it's faster than coming out of hibernation here, and certainly comparible to an equivilent Unix system.

    Most of the new GUI stuff's a bit crap, but you can turn it all off with ease. The KLIK[tm] support for networking's quite nice, with bridging, NAT etc available with a few mouseclicks. It even sets up a firewall when you set up networking, and (*shock* *horror*), it's actually quite good.

    It performs at least as well as 2k, with tweaks in most of the right places, hence making it Quite Good[tm]. And it runs vim, UT, Q3 and CS - what more could you ask for? :)

  6. Kinda a FYI by loraksus · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS has been giving out free copies of XP final, full retail, pro edition to pretty much every salesperson in computer stores across north america (i.e. the warez versions are the iso's of these discs). They had a fairly hot chick do the demonstration too, hell, I admit I'm shallow.
    MS also gave a crapload of stuff about why you should sell XP to your customers, etc, etc.

    And yeah, MS is at the very least bold in some of the things they do.
    How about this - before you log in, XP tells you whether you have passport mail waiting.
    Buy music = goto microsoft music, digital pictures -> MS.
    Allow tech support (or others) remote control of your PC? You have to be using messenger (or at least, that is what is built in) This ought to be fun when an exploit is discovered. Full system takeover is possible.
    Especially optimized for P4 (MS and intel, sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g ...)
    No fucking AOL (which, as a DSL tech support agent is music to my ears)
    Built in firewall (shitty one though)
    Built in ICS
    Built in passport games...
    No apparant way to remove messenger.
    The happy registration (which has already been cracked quite completely)

    Essentially what MS is doing is creating a computer software system (aka turnkey solution) in a box. Joe user won't have to buy anything else for his pc if he buys xp. I'm sure a lot of third party vendors are going to be pissed because they won't have a market for their products, but then again, geeks never bitched when MS included undelete w/MS Dos 5.

    On the upside,
    MS finally got rid of netbeui, so your network file transfers won't be slow as shit over the network.
    MS made the gui skinnable (almost exactly like windows blinds)
    hibernate ACTUALLY WORKS (third times a charm)
    it seems to actually be running stable (uptime 1 month, with my parents on it, which means _alot_, i.e. the system has not gone down since I installed it on an overclocked celeron box),
    added a change user function, which allows the system
    added the ability to "telnet" in and logon using the remote machines cpu power, ala X-Windows. Essentially terminal services on every machine.

    It looks fischer price, and I hate to say it, but MS might of have done what they promised to do when they release Windows 95. The price is insane though, $300US for full pro edition!!!!!

    Oh. If you work in a computer store and want a free (legal) copy, florida (24,25,26), texas (24, colorado(15),az(24), still have seminars going. Check
    http://www.microsoft.com/retail/live/
    though its kinda late. Proof of employment can be a tshirt w/ a name badge. See the evil for yourself.

    Well, gnight.

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    1. Re:Kinda a FYI by ShoeHead · · Score: 2, Informative

      The skinning *is* a new form of windowblinds, it's quite easy to remove windows messenger, and the firewall is just that--a firewall.

      In addition Fast User Switching rocks, the desktop backgrounds are really cool, and it includes *built-in* support for burning CD's and watching DVD's. I didn't even have to install EasyCD. This means WMPlayer is very bloated, though, and has actually crashed numerous times on me. Weird enough, the OS never admits it is "Not Responding" and always makes me end other tasks first.

      You can install NetBeui if you want, and there is a QoS protocol (which I don't understand...) that lags you should you play Starcraft and/or Counterstrike. I disabled it. Network browsing seems to be really slow--it takes forever to find computers just in your workgroup, and longer to access their files.

      Remote Control is a good thing so you can fix your parents' computer in half to a quarter of the time it normally takes. The windows log in screen is tight, it has little squares for each user, which you click before logging in. It also tells you how much new email, and how many programs each user has. Every program is *not* run as root--there is a quite extensive set of permissions and groups settings that disallows stuff like that. I have my computer configured where guests (dorm mates) can long on with no password, and only store stuff in certain places and run certain programs.

      Furthermore, worms are less of a problem on the new Outlook as a) you can get software to scan email out and in (Norton), and b) Outlook is very *very* cautious now about attachments. My friend sent a stupid forward to me, with a .eml attached, and Outlook wouldn't even let me open it at first.

      Counterstrike is actually faster for me than it used to be (well, before 1.3 upgrade) This was the major part of my decision to delete my dual boot and keep the spare harddrive soley as backup. I have only found one program (suite) to be incompatible--the Lotus Smartsuite 97, which is very ugly and probably uses alot of hacks--finally broke. It won't run even in compatibility mode. I broke down and borrowed Word from my brother. Word 97 won't use my scroll mouse, but at least it can read the files.

      Hibernate stores a file (semi-permanently) on your HDD of the size of your RAM. It's very fast, and very cool, but does not constitute a reboot, so you won't get any medicinal uses out of it. The task manager is cooler than 2k, it has a few improvements to the graphs, and processes are listed by owner (Fast user switching is probably the reason why) Also, the computer does not freeze when you pull up the Task manager--something which at times I am grateful for and at times I hate with a passion.

      Search is disgracefully slow, partly because it includes all the cabs in the search, and there is a stupid animated dog that runs you through search the first time you run it (very stupid). Search via IE no longer has to use MSN, you can choose google, etc, though I still prefer the google toolbar.

      I probably won't buy Pro (unless I end up building a dual system) but I will *definitely* get the home.

  7. Re:New worms coming in the next years ... by purplemonkeydan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows XP runs EVERYTHING at root, which means every program (and even the trojans hidden within that program) has full access to all Windows services

    Pigs arse everything runs as root. When you create a new user, it asks you whether the user is a admin or regular user. Regular users are NOT root.

    And for more control, you can fire up the Users and Groups MMC, and put users in appropriate groups, and set appropriate permissions.

    Who the hell is this Cringely dolt?

  8. Re:why xp? by umeshunni · · Score: 2, Informative

    For the record...
    winxp DOES run games a lot faster than win2k. i get 55fps in Q3 (640x480) while i get close to 70 on winxp - using the latest nvidia drivers of course (winxp does crib while u install the drivers - something abt them not being tested by whql - but u can ignore that).

  9. Normal users don't have access to raw sockets by throx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's some code for you to run:

    int main(int argc, char* argv[])
    {
    SOCKET s;

    WSADATA wsadata;
    WSAStartup(MAKEWORD(2,2), &wsadata);

    s = WSASocket(AF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_IP, NULL, 0, 0);
    printf("%d\n", s);

    SOCKADDR from;
    int fromlen = sizeof(from);

    struct sockaddr_in to;

    ZeroMemory(&from, sizeof(from));
    ZeroMemory(&to, sizeof(from));

    char buf[4096];

    to.sin_family = AF_INET;
    to.sin_addr.S_un.S_addr = 0x0100007F;
    to.sin_port = 0;

    int sb = sendto(s, buf, 0, 0, (SOCKADDR *)&to, sizeof(to));
    DWORD sbe = GetLastError();

    int cb = recvfrom(s, buf, sizeof(buf), 0, &from, &fromlen);
    DWORD cbe = GetLastError();

    printf("%d, %d\n", sb, cb);
    printf("%d, %d\n", sbe, cbe);
    closesocket(s);

    scanf("\n");
    }

    When you run as an admin, it works. When you run as a non-admin you get an error (EACCESS) trying to send or receive from the raw socket.

    To put it simply, GRC is lying to you for the purposes of selling his own products and you got suckered. The rules for raw sockets are exactly the same as on Win2k and Linux - you gotta be root.

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