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Big Hopes for Tiny Satellites

shelflife writes: "ST5, according to NASA, will usher in a new era of small, smart spacecraft. Why send a human into space when you can send a computer? And why send something almost as heavy as a UNIVAC if a laptop will do? Compact nanosatellites will have everything you'd want in a full-size, luxury satellite. They will have the attitudinal and navigational capabilities needed to maintain proper orbits, and they will be capable of complex, high-bandwidth communications functions."

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  1. Microsats flew some years ago by isdnip · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't entirely new. There were "microsats" flown in the 1980s, some sponsored by the Amateur Satellite Corp. (AMSAT), and some university sats like Webersat (from Utah).

    With today's smaller and more powerful chips, of course, it's a lot easier to do more in a small package.

    1. Re:Microsats flew some years ago by jensend · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, the microsats sent out from my home state were fairly well one-purpose, one-use machines (amateur radio for webersat, rotation/attitude manipulation with tracking for the JAWSAT)- see here for an optimistic description. See here for other previous microsats. NASA's microsats, according to their page, "carry a wide range of spacecraft services including guidance, navigation and control, attitude control, propulsion, high bandwidth and complex communication functions," some of which are diagrammed on that page and its successor. With the previous story and the other ways in which NASA has exceeded expectations on almost all of their craft in mind, I think this is an idea whose time has come.

  2. Why not? by dghcasp · · Score: 5, Funny
    Why send a human into space when you can send a computer

    That would have made Apollo 11 a really boring movie: write(nasafd,"houston, we have a problem",31)

  3. Radiation is a big problem, heat too by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    There are some significant challenges in building "smart satellites".

    Solar radiation is an extremely serious problem for any computer in space. To be rad-hard, chips need to be made of silicon on sapphire, which means a $1 embedded processor suddenly costs twenty thousand dollars. This is not material cost, it's because the economies of scale in production of terrestrial processors are what drives the cost down. Nobody can afford sapphire RAM banks, and thus memories get a flipped bit per orbit, in general. The only way they keep working is that there is a "washing" process that scans memory and does ECC correction continuously. Shielding is simply too heavy to be practical (send up a lead-clad satellite, and your rocket becomes 10 times as large to boost the weight).

    Because it's available in sapphire and is flight-proven, the microprocessor of choice for controlling satellites is the 1802. Remember the RCA Cosmac Elf? Most of you weren't born when that was a popular hobby computer

    I was surprised to find that the Phase 3D satellite boots up with no ROM. Hardware loads RAM directly from a radio modem. They couldn't afford a ROM they could trust.

    Heat is a problem, too. Heat sinks don't work so well without an atmosphere to carry away heat. You have to pipe heat around with heat-pipes filled with a phase-change gas, and then radiate the heat away.Bruce

    1. Re:Radiation is a big problem, heat too by unitron · · Score: 2
      Isn't heat electromagnetic radiation of a particular frequency band? Shouldn't it radiate? Isn't it cold enough in space that the heat would be useful in maintaining a constant, even temperature within the satellite (kinda like a crystal oven on a radio station's transmitter)?

      I remember the COSMAC Elf, and I've got the well-worn mid 70s copies of Radio-Electronics and (the original)Popular Electronics to prove it. Unfortunately I didn't have the spare cash for one at the time.

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    2. Re:Radiation is a big problem, heat too by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative
      You have to get the heat to somewhere that you can radiate it. Also, it's sometimes 300F on one side, and -100F on the other side of the satellite, so you pipe heat around just to gain a degree of temperature stability.

      Thanks

      Bruce

    3. Re:Radiation is a big problem, heat too by mpe · · Score: 2

      Because it's available in sapphire and is flight-proven, the microprocessor of choice for controlling satellites is the 1802.

      Probably the only reason they still make them. Interesting term the set index register instruction has in assember though.

  4. Surviving re-entry by BierGuzzl · · Score: 2

    We've burned up a lot of space junk in the upper reaches of our atmosphere, and it always strikes me as a big waste, albeit for the time being, perhaps an unavoidable one. But these little satellites, according to the article, don't have much transmission power. Perhaps that'd offer some insentive to get them to survive re-entry, bringing the data back home the old-fashioned way.

    1. Re:Surviving re-entry by unitron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why not just send the shuttle by to snag 'em with a big butterfly net and bring 'em home?

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    2. Re:Surviving re-entry by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2
      The cost of lifting the satellite is very much greater than the cost of the equipment.

      Bruce

  5. Because Humans Explore by thinmac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why send humans? Because there's more to life than just knowing new things. We're an expansive race, and for better or for worse (in my opinion for better) we need to grow. Robots, while they can give us a lot of information, are no substitute for actually being there and experiencing it for ourselves.

  6. Another good thing about being small by gusnz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the growing amount of space detritus, another good point in favour of smaller satellites is less statistical risk of a collision.

    This would go both ways -- less risk of debris colliding with satellites, and less risk of a rogue satellite colliding with something else. The odds are minimal anyway, but it can't hurt that much.

    1. Re:Another good thing about being small by HerrNewton · · Score: 2

      Yes, but it's far easier to see and track something the size of a Volkwagen than it is to see and track something the size of a basketball.

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    2. Re:Another good thing about being small by dragons_flight · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to this page, ground based stations can track things down to 10 cm (about 4 inches). Admittedly they would be harder to see by an astronaut, but they typically aren't responsible for spotting the things visually. So long as people on the ground keep track of the satellites, it shouldn't be a problem.

    3. Re:Another good thing about being small by mpe · · Score: 2

      Yes, but it's far easier to see and track something the size of a Volkwagen than it is to see and track something the size of a basketball.

      Radar Cross Section isn't simply a function of size though. If you can make a UAV with the same RCS as a B52 it should be possible to make a nanosat which can easily be tracked from Earth.

  7. Long on Advertising, Short on Meat by Autonomous+Crowhard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    While the article talked about beach balls, Univac, birthday cakes, Broncos, bowling balls, Coke cans, and Callista Flockhart.. It was completely devoid of any information we have not seen before.

    It's called Brilliant Pebbles, guys. Sheesh!

    OK, they mentioned funding is a consideration in the development.

    A complete fluff piece.

  8. Re:If we're sending MicroSATs to space by ekrout · · Score: 2, Funny
    The solar flare disturbance simulator functions are right before all of the methods stolen from the Linux and BSD kernel.


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  9. Space Junk Threat? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Would smaller satellites be more or less vulnerable to being hit by flecks of space junk in comparison to their larger counterparts?

    Larger satellites tend to be plagued by little dints and holes in their solar sails because of these flecks of paint and whatnot. Smaller satellites would be harder to hit (because there's less volume up there in the first place,) HOWEVER the greater density of the devices could make a single unfortunate hit rather catastrophic because it could knock a whole bunch of things out at once.

    It's like of like an ultra-powerful shuttlecraft compared to a borg cube. Small centralisation versus big generalisation. Comments anyone?

  10. Lots of advantages to being small by wfmcwalter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There's lots of advantages for a satellite being small (and thus having a low mass):

    • Lower launch cost.
      Rocket cost proceeds geometrically as payload size increases only linearly, so big satellites are much more expensive to launch than are smaller ones. Build a satellite small enough, then there's a real chance it can be put into orbit by an ambitious amateur rocket.
    • Cheaper makes for cheaper still
      If a satellite is cheaper (by which I mean total cost = system cost + launch cost) then you're more able to throw it away and replace it. The more inclined you are to throw it away, the less you worry about its maintaining an orbit - in the extreme case you don't build in any altitude maintainance and only gyroscopic attitute maintainance - then you don't need orbital control jets (and fuel, and all the associated systems) - so your satellite becomes cheaper and cheaper yet. So the satellite size reduces and reduces until its stopped by another parameter (e.g. mass of electronics, transponders etc.) which doesn't shrink in this way.
    • Smaller is simpler is more reliable
      As we said, smaller satellites don't need as much (or any) orbital maintainance equipment. That's one of the parts of a satellite that's most likely to fail (and thus leave the satellite useless because its pointing the wrong way). If you can get the platform + payload cost down far enough, it'll be cheaper (and more reliable) to launch 10 cheap sats than one delux biggie.
    • It's much cheaper to scale up on the ground
      Sure, making a small satellite makes for poorer signal strength, but ground-based equipment (dishes, antennae, amps etc.) scale with a much flatter geometric curve than do the same improvements in orbit (when you've spent all that money shoving them up the gravity well). If the VLA can detect "a cellphone at Saturn", a bigger dish here can detect a cokecan in LEO.
    The current satellite design philosphy is largely to engineer from a reliability-first perspective, which is guaranteed to produce an expensive solution. If satellites were built by consumer-technology companies (Sony, Philips, Dell, VolksWagen) they'd be cost-engineered first (without reliability being at such a premium) - and our solar system would soon have another planet with a ring round it :)
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    1. Re:Lots of advantages to being small by Graymalkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What? I think you need to put your geometric scales back where you found them because I don't think you're using them correctly. Making smaller sats doesn't lower the launch cost of the rocket. A majority of the rocket exists just to get the rest of the rocket up to a point where the payload can be delivered. making the payload smaller just means you wasted alot more money getting it into orbit. Putting a bunch of small mini-payloads doesn't reduce the cost anymore because you need to include the mass and bulk of the delivery system for each mini-sat. Where the fuck do you come up with smaller sats not needing orbital maintainance equipment? All birds need attitude controls at the very least to point them the right way. The concept of disposable birds is ludicrous. Even if it costs ten bucks to build it costs thousands of dollars to get in the air. Nobody in their right mind would design a bird and send it up if they didn't plan on getting their money's worth out of it. And the dumb comment about building a transceiver bigger than VLA to manage mini-sats nearly made me piss myself. Increasing the size of the ground base tranceiver adds way too much to the cost of launching any sat. why should you have to pour the millions of dollars in maintainance of a VLA sized unit to talk to a sat that costs a fraction of a percent of the ground station?

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    2. Re:Lots of advantages to being small by Coryoth · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe the benefits of small sats is that you can put several of them on a single launch vehicle, and reduce the launch costs that way. Of course you need a launch system capable of carrying a number of smaller payloads - which there aren't very many of right now.

      As far as I know the best for doing that are not US built which is why Surrey Space over in England are making a killing right now in the nanosat category.

      Jedidiah

    3. Re:Lots of advantages to being small by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      You're the first person to ever make the correlation, I grant thee four thousand brownie points!

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    4. Re:Lots of advantages to being small by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Surrey's technologies are still pretty experimental and rely in some pretty difficult formation flying. Nanosats don't carry much in the way of tranceiving equipment and if you read the datasheets they carry uncooled CMOS cameras and basically are good for inspecing other spacecraft they're in formation with. Other formation flying ideas are lots of small birds with one or two tranceivers each that fly in formation and can output at least 10 watts PEP. You could have one sat with an uplink receiver that beams data to the rest of the birds in formation and they downlink different pieces of the signal on their tranceivers. Basically breaking a single comsat into a bunch of small pieces so if one component fails you could deorbit it hopefully and replace it by pushing another bird into the formation or having a backup fill its place. Nobody's really done this yet because formation flying in orbit is still a complex procedure and until recently birds weren't smart enough to navigate themselves. Also keep in mind that Surrey's sats are still all experimental and are using equipment that hasn't been recognized as spaceworthy quite yet. Trying to sell someone a satellite that has a 10% chance of working after a good sized solar storm won't be too effective. I think it is sort of interesting and cool they're powering their birds with StrongARMs.

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    5. Re:Lots of advantages to being small by mpe · · Score: 2

      I believe the benefits of small sats is that you can put several of them on a single launch vehicle, and reduce the launch costs that way. Of course you need a launch system capable of carrying a number of smaller payloads - which there aren't very many of right now.
      Only must good if you want them all in the same orbit. Otherwise a good chunk of your payload will be rocket motors to alter the orbit. Also this isn't going to work without some kind of attitude control on them, even if it's simply using compressed gas.

    6. Re:Lots of advantages to being small by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      I'm a particular fan of both. Pee Wee for his taste in clothes and the Get Up Kids for harboring Reggie.

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  11. sorta been done by Migelikor1 · · Score: 2

    http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/skycorp/
    Small, off the shelf components...good future. I've already got my computer in a little space suit, looking forward to the day it will orbit this spinning hunk of rock and smelly stuff.

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  12. Solar Powered airplanes by r2q2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why make small satellites when you can use solar powererd airplanes. Cheaper and easier to upgrade.

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  13. More than simple logistical problems. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 4, Insightful



    While it seems like a "cool" idea on the outside, it probably isn't. There are at least two problems I can think of, off the top of my head, as to why microsatellites would be a Bad Idea (tm) ...

    First and foremost, tracking. Suppose your microsatellite fulfills its useful lifespan, and dies, like so many other satellites....Without any means to communicate, the object is too small (and its irregular orbit too unpredictable) to be reliably tracked from the ground. Your microsatellite now becomes a big danger to other spacecraft, and other satellites, as it joins the ranks of tens of thousands of other pieces of other untrackable space junk.

    Secondly, suppose you to manage to get a microsatellite up into orbit. You're an amateur, of course, which means you arent really aware of the orbital paths of other satellites. It might just be a matter of time before your little science fair project interrupts communication to half a continent due to the radio noise it gives off from a poor design meant to maximize for space, and not function.

    I think we'd be wise to leave space for the professionals and be content with ground-based communications like shortwave packet and slow-scan TV.

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    1. Re:More than simple logistical problems. by Xeger · · Score: 2

      We could always establish a spacegoing equivalent of the FAA: some administrative agency whose laws and regulations govern space travel. Any electronic equipment that wants to go up, must be first approved by the National Spacecraft Testing Labs. NSTL, what a flashy acronym! Too bad it's already used...

  14. ECC reference by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2
    I found a good reference on how ECC works here.

    Bruce

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  15. Space-qualified electronics. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By coincidence, I happen to both be a grad student studying IC architecture and living about 20 feet from someone working on rad-hard space electronics.

    It turns out that the situation isn't quite as grim as the scenario you've painted.

    Solar radiation is an extremely serious problem for any computer in space. To be rad-hard, chips need to be made of silicon on sapphire, which means a $1 embedded processor suddenly costs twenty thousand dollars.

    Silicon-on-insulator chips are used because they aren't vulnerable to latch-up (triggering of parasitic SCR structures formed by the many regions of doped silicon in conventional chips). However, there are other approaches to dealing with latch-up.

    A common approach is to just add enough substrate contacts and apply design rules conservatively enough to ensure that latch-up currents won't be immediately destructive, and to power-cycle the chip either on a regular schedule, or when you see a huge current spike, or both. Powering down the chip turns off the SCR, and when you power up, everything's fine again.

    On the flip side of this equation, SiOI is slowly becoming more common. There was a Slashdot article about IBM rolling out a SiOI process a while back; while plain silicon is still cheaper, I doubt you'd be looking at a factor of 10,000 price difference. The main problem with spacecraft electronics is that any custom chips will be fabbed in very low quantities, so you don't get the economics of devoting a wafer run to them. This is true whether they're rad-hard or not.

    Nobody can afford sapphire RAM banks, and thus memories get a flipped bit per orbit, in general. The only way they keep working is that there is a "washing" process that scans memory and does ECC correction continuously.

    You get noise events affecting the processor's activities too. You can get around this either by running two processors back-to-back with HA hardware to compare outputs, or by living with occasional errors and resetting the chip every so often. An expensive solution isn't necessarily needed :).

    Also, using SiOI doesn't save you from these noise events. It's only useful for latch-up. An ionizing event could still cause conduction through gate oxide or do any of a number of other fun things that cause errors.

    Because it's available in sapphire and is flight-proven, the microprocessor of choice for controlling satellites is the 1802.

    Actually, rad-hard 386 chips have been standard for many applications for quite a while now.

    Heat is a problem, too. Heat sinks don't work so well without an atmosphere to carry away heat. You have to pipe heat around with heat-pipes filled with a phase-change gas, and then radiate the heat away

    Heat is indeed a problem, but you can get away with using the spacecraft structure as a passive heat sink if your electronics are low-power enough. This is a common trick, because you're on a limited power budget and want low-power electronics anyways. That way you only have to worry about craft-wide climate control (well, that and instruments that require very stable temperatures).

    It's an interesting field, in any event.

    1. Re:Space-qualified electronics. by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Wow, someone who knows first-hand. Of course most of what I know of this comes from AMSAT, and while I have a few friends who work on the birds, I never have. AMSAT are the people who have been making microsats, and on the other hand they're the ones with the low budgets and sometimes a technological lag (although they lead a surprising amount of the time).

      What about latch-up and RAM? Use dynamic RAM and power it down between refresh cycles?

      Rad-hard '386? Is it a static version? I was aware that Harris did a fully static '286. AMSAT flew an ARM, and that probably has the most MIPS per mA, but due to the problems with P3D I don't think they've gotten much chance to test it.

      Bruce

  16. these satellites may be tiny... by mjackso1 · · Score: 2

    but are they wireless?

    If not, I know a GREAT technology that's readily available.

  17. Space - Patriotism by ZaBu911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know a few of us have long dreamed of the stars. The riches beyond our grasp. Sure, we can find a few more facts with a computer, but we can never have the same satisfaction as we would have had if we sent a person.

    I'd like to [mis?]quote a line from the movie Contact: "This is so beautiful...words cannot describe...they should have sent a poet."

    Ponder that for a while. And no CmdrTaco, the poem-producing engine you wrote doesn't count!

    1. Re:Space - Patriotism by Xeger · · Score: 2

      And these tiny microsats are our forebears. They are letting us do the research that will someday make it cost-effective to send people into space on a large scale.

      I should like to think that machines (such as these sats) will someday be our companions up there, the spaceborne equivalent of the civil infrastructure of water lines, power grids, streets and highways that we all take for granted.

    2. Re:Space - Patriotism by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2

      They are letting us do the research that will someday make it cost-effective to send people into space on a large scale.

      I fail to see how microsats make it easier to get out of this gravity well. And what gives you the idea that NASA really wants lots of people in space? All they ever needed to do was make it reasonably inexpensive to reach orbit. No small task, to be sure, but they've had 50 years and umpteen billions of dollars to do it with. The rest of us would have taken care of the rest. Everything, absolutely everything else they did should have been secondary to that. But instead, they have spent many times more putting a flag on the moon than they have on, say, scramjets and laser boosts and other potentially very cheap means of getting to orbit. Yes, the stuff they've done is certainly very impressive, but how useful is it to know the components of lunar regolith when nobody has set foot there for over 30 years and there are no such plans in the forseeable future? Or that there are planets in other star systems light-years away when we can barely go 60 miles straight up? It's all wonderful, fascinating knowledge and, with the way NASA's been going, completely and totally useless.

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  18. Formation Flying by Betelgeuse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They talk in this article about flying a bunch of small telescopes in formation as a surrugate to HST. This is _rediculously_ complicated. I have been at conferences where they talk about plans for the Terrestrial Planet Finder: a giant telescope array that will be space-based and fly in formation (slated, very optimistically, to fly in 2020). Just keeping the _distances_ accurate is hard enough, much less keeping all the instruments in the same plane. At least for Astronomical applications, these minis aren't going to replace the bigger guys any time soon.

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  19. Clear mouse by Graymalkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsats would be cooler if there were cheaper ways of getting them into orbit. Even if you get the bird's weight down to as little as possible you still need a deployment module. Then you've got this thousands of pounds of rocket to get a little bird into orbit. Your launch cost will still be in the order of a thousand dollars a kilogram if not more (especially if your rocket is wasting all of its power getting a tiny 100kg bird into orbit). Nearly all of the work being done at Marshall SFC has to do with the reduction of cost with any and all ground launches including getting birds in the air for alot less than they currently cost. They changed their site around or I'd put some useful links from there like the magnetic linear accelerator. It looks like a fucking brochure now. Maybe if a couple of us donate ten bucks to them they'll put some useful information back there. One can only dream I suppose.

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  20. Re:And... by Xeger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now there's an amusing thought: astronauts waking in the middle of the ship's night to the clunking of dozens of microsats on the hull. Like a hailstorm in an automobile. *thump thump clunk thump* "What's that noise?" "Aww, just a couple GPS birds. Nothing to worry about."

    In actuality, it's pretty hard to hit anything in orbit. There's a whole lot of space out there, and not a very large volume of space junk. And, at least for spacecraft which are still in the middle of their useful mission lives, the orbit of everything up there is calculated. I'm sure there is even a repository or tracking agency for random space debris. Collision avoidance has got to be largely a planning matter (adjusting the Shuttle's flight plan so its orbit never intersects with known random space crap).

    I wonder...does the Shuttle even have a search radar operating, to watch the space around it for navigational hazards? I've never heard of such a thing...

  21. Market scaling problems by jsm · · Score: 2
    They will have the attitudinal and navigational capabilities needed to maintain proper orbits...

    ... and avoid the millions of other tiny satellites that are launched under the same program? Got a plan for that one?

    O' course, I'm picturing the future when they become miniaturized to a few ounces and cheap enough so that everyone can afford one. Maybe they'll be the bugs on the space shuttle's windshield.

  22. That's a pretty big birthday cake by kingdon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The page says that the satellite is the size of a birthday cake, and also that it is "42 centimeters (17 inches) across . . . weighs about 21.5 kilograms (47 pounds)". I don't know about you, but on my last birthday I didn't get a cake that big ;-).

    More seriously, this is cool stuff. My favorite item from the list of new technologies is the "electrically tunable coating that can change its properties from absorbing heat when the spacecraft is cool to reflecting or emitting heat when the spacecraft is in the sun by applying electrical power". When you look at conventional ways of managing heat on a spacecraft (such as large and heavy radiators on the Space Station), this is pretty exciting.

  23. small is nice by vittal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    somewhat off topic, but this sort of idea has been around for a long time, have a read of rodney brook's paper "Fast, Cheap and Out of Control: A Robot Invasion of the Solar System" [www.ai.mit.edu] (Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, October 1989).
    similar ideas, but with robots. v

  24. Re:And... by Shotgun · · Score: 2

    The thing that drives down the cost of equipment earthside is volume. Why not design a mini-satellite platform that accepts custum modules. This platform would contain as part of its design all the attitudinal and orbital controls. As part of that design, include a simple system that would respond to a signal by moving the satellite away from the source. Thereby, the shuttle or other manned or higher priority craft would just need to transmit the signal as a warning and all the hords of mini-satellite would move to the side.

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  25. ION-F by crumley · · Score: 2

    There is another nanosatellite program that's going to fly soon called ION-F. This is a group of 3 10 kg nanosats that fly in formation that are supposed to launch in 2002. They'll be used to studdy the ionosphere.

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  26. Send a senator by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 2

    Why send a human into space when you can send a computer?

    Because he is a senator?

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