VIM 6.0 is Out

LinuxNews.pl writes "It's more then a year after releasing the first 6.0 alpha. Lot's of improvements (i.e. you can edit files via FTP!) - check them out on vim.org" Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane).

Comments

CT's bias

[sl70]

How come we can't mod CT's original post down as a troll?

Office Assistant?

[mmontour]

So did Vigor, the vi paperclip, make it into the 6.0 release?

Re:Office Assistant?

[anshil]

Screenshot from vim-xp:

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|The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog._
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|~ . ..
|~ . Try typing .
|~ . ":help" .
|~ ................
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|~ /--\
|~ | | |
|~ |@ @
|~ | \-
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|~ \--
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Real Programmers...

[istvandragosani]

...use cat and od

Re:Real Programmers...

[Mike Schiraldi]

Real programmers use chmod +x /dev/random and cross their fingers.

Only v6.0?

[gotroot801]

Bah - Emacs is already at version 20. Clearly this means Emacs is 333% better than vim!

Wait, you mean version numbers aren't a measure of quality? Dang!

You're all wrong.

[Saint Aardvark]

From Ed, man! !man ed":

From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: The True Path (long)
Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack

When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.

Ed, man! !man ed

ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor

SYNOPSIS

ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]

DESCRIPTION

Ed is the standard text editor.

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Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs

Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:

golem$ ed

?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?

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Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

TEXT EDITOR.

When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.

Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

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Bah.

[ByteHog]

Text editors are for wimps!! I use a very small magnet to write my files. and CMOS when I'm feeling up to it..

Re:Emacs emulation in vim?

[DJerman]

No, it's like asking a Ferrari to emulate a 60-story office complex, an employment agency, an aircraft manufacturer, a luxury yacht, and a Ferrari.

Re:Emacs emulation in vim?

[Laplace]

Do you know what they call that emulation mode?

VILE (vi-like emacs)

For vi emulation of emacs, just type ":sh emacs" (without the quotes)

Re:Emacs emulation in vim?

[Xzzy]

> Has anyone done an emacs emulation mode for vim?

No, because they haven't figured out how to compress the 75 megs of diskspace a fuly featured emacs takes into the vim source, to give you that true "emacs feel".

Re:what's the difference?

[Mike Schiraldi]

as a novice linux user I ask what is the difference between Vi And EMACS.

vi is like masturbation. It's not as good as the alternative, but it's always there.

Re:vi versus emacs

[fobbman]

Ugh, can we avoid the whole "Holy War" thing. I'm rather CNN'ed out right now.

Call it "Infinite Debate" or something like that instead.

Re:what's the difference?

[Rocky Mudbutt]

vi{m}? has 5 modes:

Beep mode: everything you type rings the bell

Disappearing text mode: everything you type vanishes

Flash mode: everything you type makes the screen blink, scroll, and erase

Escape mode: everything you type needs an ESC

colon mode: all your text shows up at the bottom of the screen after a :

Emacs has 5 modes:

ESC

Meta

Alt

Control

Shift
In all modes everything you type requires the depressing of more than one of the above keys
in addition to a very-long-and-verbose-definition-that-you-look-up- regularly

after 22 years of vi, I think hjkl instead of
left down up right.

Good lord...

[Gruneun]

then Windows 2000 must be absolutely fantastic.

Not cat.

[roystgnr]

gunzip -c > executable

That way you don't have to do nearly as much typing.

Re:No, 6.0 is actually out

[kdgarris]

Stability and easy of use are the main goals for the future.

Stability and what?!?

-Karl

America's New War:

[richie2000]

Emacs vs. vi

Emacs President Shrub today announced a new iniative in the war on user-friendlyness; Operation Infinite Swapspace.
This can be seen as a direct response to vi's recent attacks on Emacs functionality when a flock of rabid vi supporters chanted "vi don't suck, vi is leet, vi can edit in ftp!" outside the Emacs embassy in Kaboom, capital of Afarawayistan.

An Emacs representative commented the attack with "Those evil vi-llains will do anything to confuse the issues. The fact is that Emacs can solve the Towers of Hanoi problem faster than a vi user can learn to save a file and this bugs the hell out of them since most of them don't even know where Hanoi is. We are going to find their leader /vigor/bin/laden and make him pay for this atrocity."

vigor himself just said that "Vi vill :q! them!"

The Piconian ambassador was not available for a // comment, but rumours has it that he's busy compiling evidence.