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New ICANN TLDs Are Live

BenBenBen writes "According to this story on the BBC, several of the new ICANN top level domains now have sites available. Examples are visa.info and afilias.info. " I'm still waiting to get my 'dot' TLD. The article doesn't say much new except it tells us a few biz and info sites that you can use if you just wanna see a new TLD working. I gotta say, it's pretty surreal.

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  1. Color me shocked. by Spameroni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is is just me, or is seeing a new four characters after a url not actually all that amazing?

  2. new TLD's never thought it would happen by ZenJabba1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thinking about this, its the tipping point I feel from the internet being a military network and a academic and a research network, to a full blown business network with significant commerical interests.

    I don't know how to feel strangely, because we have known it will eventually happen, but it seems a little bit has been lost in the process of change.

    I'm not against change, I just ponder where we are heading...

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  3. Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's already hundreds of thousands of web sites that already fall under the wrong TLD category because current TDL's are too vague. These two only make it worse. There is nothing wrong with adding TLD's, but we need them to be MORE specific to prevent ongoing domain name conflicts. Dot info and dot biz... besides the fact that they seem rather "immature" and "umprofessional" respectively, they don't help clue me in much on what I'm looking at. "What's the difference between a COMmerical site and a BIZiness site? Isn't somecompany.com also a BIZiness?" "Is this ORGinzation just about INFO?"

    These domains add confusion and too much generality. At the risk of a TLD being too long, why not create a ".store" for retail fronts, or ".gr(ou)p" for non-established organizations (that one would be great for OSS developers). How about extending the concept of the .TLD. scheme to include regions? www.somecompany.com.east/west/se/etc.

    I may just be blowing my horn here, but these things are just plain dumb. Some of my suggestions here may add some confusion, but won't adding to the mess also do that in a less constructive way?

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    1. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by AussiePenguin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How about extending the concept of the .TLD. scheme to include regions? www.somecompany.com.east/west/se/etc.

      Country codes are enough. How would you be meant to know where in the world that region truely is?

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    2. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should just get rid of TLDs altogether. These new ones like .info are just a ploy by registrars to get more money, because Dell will register dell.com, dell.info, dell.biz and so on. It wouldn't be possible for different sites to have the .com and .biz domains: they'd start suing each other until a point where both belong to the same company. So these new names do not expand the namespace at all.

      Why not hand out TLDs themselves? So Dell could have 'dell' and make www.dell and so on under there. That is the least insane way to do things given the current legal system.

      (Of course the sane way would be to go for TLDs where the legal procedures are clearly defined: .wto for domains arbitrated by the WTO, .us for domains subject to US trademark laws, and .fcfs for strictly first come, first served registration.)

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    3. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by reynaert · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right know Foobar Computers and Foobar Foodstuff are fighting over the domain foobar.com. If you get rid of TLDs, they will fight for .foobar. What's the difference?

      Using trademarks for domain names won't work either. Foobar Computers and Foobar Foodstuff may well both have a trademark on the word Foobar, but for different products.

      For a fun real-world illustration, see this page. It lists many products called "Unix", such as Unix® diapers and Unix eyeglass frames.

      The only solution I see, is (a) getting rid of .com, .net, etc. and only keep the regional domains and maybe .int, and (b) force organisations to use their full name. Of course, you won't have short URLs with this scheme...

  4. Why We Don't Need A .sex by Lethyos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It won't help clean up the .com domains. The reason is becuase most sex sites don't conflict with domain names that businesses want for their web sites. For example, does IBM in contest for hotsex4uandgoats.com? No. Do sex sites have domain names like microsoft.com? As amusing as that would be, the answer is also no. .sex, while making porn smucks look a little harder for the wares they seek, wouldn't benefit the rest of us. And if it was official, it'd be something our browsers would search through if the domain we were looking for was unavailable. It'd annoy me greatly if a route to debian.org was unavailable and my browser defaulted to debian.sex and a web site containing photos of Ian's and Debra's love life.

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  5. Re:New TLD's by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think that icann should stop bullying people around and let some of the rouge TLD's in. But I do see people using the new TLD's as a good step.

    The only people I have seen bullying anyone have been the rogue TLDs.

    There are plenty of name squatters who have bought up new.net swampland who would like their real estate to be connected up to the interstate. So they yammer on with squeals of complaint.

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  6. the reason for "traditional TLDs" by nilstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't one of the biggest selling points for traditional TLDs the fact that they are easy to remember? Sure there are many country specific TLDs, but usually they are used by people in your/nearby countries......

    How many people are going to remember that my site is not www.thinkbrown.com but instead www.thinkbrown.info or www.thinkbrown.TLDoftheday?

    Heck, why don't we go one step furhter, I want to define my own TLDs.

    I don't buy into the arguement that traditional TLDs are all taken.... just stop the domain squatters and you'll be happy.

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  8. I wonder by jayhawk88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If 90% of these new TLD's are simply going to refer back to the .com of the business that snaps them up, like I suspect (dell.info->dell.com), and if those .com's aren't really changed in any way (no reason they should)...

    Is this the worlds biggest DNS server? Meta DNS? Seriously, though, how many companies who snatch up an .info or whatever are going to bother to create a new web site specifically for that domain?

  9. Didn't get mine.... :-( by KjetilK · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, I tried to get some .info domains, but I'm still waiting to see if any goes through. Afilias doesn't seem to clued to me. Also, I've spoken with my registrar, it seems like the whole company is in a mess, and nobody really knows what is going on.

    Well, I was really going to rant about trademarks. TMs is usually the part of IP regime that I find the least problematic, but. There is something strange there.

    Here's my story:

    I have for several years maintained a site titled "How to use a compass". Since I've been orienteering for many years, and just because I could write this, just because the web allowed me to become a publisher, I did write it up.

    It is time for the site to move on, I intend to open it up for many contributors. I intend to get a few excellent orienteers and expeditionists to join me in making this site even better, and I intend to release it under the GNU Free Documentation License (but with some modifications to allow people to print and distribute printouts more easily).

    Obviously, I should have a domain for it. While I have other options, what can possibly be more fitting for this site than compass.info? It is the most used compass tutorial on the web, there are a few of them, but most are actually using my illustrations... The site is literally information about the centuries-old gadget called a compass.

    However, it has been decided that trademarks owners should have a prior right to our language (eh, well, English is not my native tongue, I'm Norwegian). They should be allowed to grab first, and so, compass.info is gone. Like in some many cases, the compass has been used metaphorically. There is actually very little information about the gadget compass on the web, but there is extensive use of the term "compass" used metaphorically. In fact, this is a problem I've had when designing metadata for the site.

    I'm quite confident (yep, I do have some self-confidence :-) ), that if the delegation of domain names had been based on what merit a site has for accurately describing what lies in a name, my site would have won... :-)

    So, what is it with trademarks that makes them so valuable for mankind that it is more important that the domain name compass.info is used do point to a product that has nothing to do with what has for centuries been known as a compass, rather than an accurate description on how to use this gadget....?

    I do not doubt that the American College Testing Program, who has been awarded compass.info has good intentions for it, but still, the question stands, why is it that trademarks should have that level of protection?

    I feel there is something wrong about all this. Names are a scarce resource, and should be treated with caution. I feel the use of trademarks needs a review. This isn't what they are supposed to be: My parents went to China and bought "The North Face" jackets with a Gore-Tex membran for just about nothing. While they realize it certainly aren't real North Face jackets, I have yet to convince them it certainly has no Gore-Tex membran. They are going to get seriously wet one of these days... :-) That's what trademarks are supposed to do for us: protect us from being sold crap. They're not supposed to be used for grabbing bits and pieces of living langauges...

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  10. New TLDs need to be reconsidered by dfn5 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Internet does not need new TLDs. I remember the day when someone wanted to get a .org domain they needed to be a non-profit organization. Or if you wanted a .net you had to provide Internet infrastructure. Nowadays when you go to Network Solutions they say "Reserve .com, .net, and .org all at the same time before someone else does". They are meaningless. So now that we have .ws, .info, and .biz it just means that a company has to get more domains at the same time. And usually a company only uses .com and just let the other domains sit unused to prevent others from getting it. It seems to me that the only people benefiting from new TLDs are the registrars because they get more money from the additional registrations.

    Let me just talk about .ws for a second. This is the most meaningless TLD of them all. The nodename part of a domainname should specify what the service is i.e. www, smtp, ns, nntp, etc... otherwise we need to create all these others as TLDs as well, which I'm sure everyone would agree is silly.

    And to those who have posted that we need regional TLDs, we have those already. The are called country code TLDs. In fact I think we should get rid of .com, .net, .org, .edu, and .gov and stick them under .us. It seems to work for the UK and Australia. A company should have to register a .com.ccTLD for the countries they exist in. The Internet is not just the United States anymore.

    In summary new TLDs only polute the DNS name space.

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    1. Re:New TLDs need to be reconsidered by mzito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .ORG was never intended to be for just non-profit organizations, and has never been enforced as such, except perhaps at the registrar level by ignorant registrars. According to RFC 1591 by Postel himself:

      ORG - This domain is intended as the miscellaneous TLD for organizations that didn't fit anywhere else. Some non-government organizations may fit here.


      See - its miscellaneous. In addition, .ws is a country-code TLD - in this case its for Western Samoa. The concept of .ws being for a "website" is purely marketing.

      As far as polluting the namespace - the DNS system is designed to support a large number of TLDs. The restraints that need to be placed are policy ones, not technical ones.

      Thanks,
      Matt
      Note: Although I work for a domain registrar, I don't speak for one.

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  11. TLD propaganda by Garry+Anderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is propaganda being spread by the authorities, that these new TLDs will solve the problems for trademarks - it is a lie.

    THOUSANDs of new open TLDs will not solve any problem - even if every one has 'Sunrise Period'

    It will not solve 'consumer confusion', 'trademark conflict' or stop anybody 'passing off'.

    Also, as an example on Sunrise, thousands of trademarks using word 'Apple' have no guarantee of being able to use name.

    Apple computers will still protect and make claim to every Apple.[anything] - even though they share word with 727 others in the USA alone (plus all those in 200+ countries).

    TRUE or FALSE?

    No reply required - I know the TRUTH - The solution to trademark problem is at WIPO.org.uk.