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A soft spot on the Apple?MacXGuy writes: "I recently obtained by free 10.1 upgrade from the Apple Store in the Mall of America. After installing it on my Titanium PB-G4 XFree4.1 (http://www.mrcla.com/XonX/) no longer works. (I'm definitely not installing it on my Dual 800 G4 until a workaround is found.)"
Since most of the stuff I've heard about the 10.1 upgrade has been positive to the point of suspicion, I wonder if anyone else has experienced similar upgrade quibbles with it.
Another good reason for a complex infrastructure. PhantomHarlock writes "New York City officials requested and got what's left of Metricom to re-activate the wireless network in the area surrounding the World Trade Center. Rescue and cleanup crews are using the network to coordinate and access death certificates filed online. Only one rooftop transmitter had been destroyed, the other four are still intact."
Even when you're right, you're wrong -- as the fine print clearly shows. An anonymous reader points to column in InfoWorld about interpreting the overlapping, contradictory and sometimes funny EULAs that accompany Microsoft products. Microsoft certainly isn't alone in that regard either -- ever read a EULA you thought was totally fair, unambiguous, and satisfying? Mr. Anonymous writes: "This was amply illustrated last week after I mentioned here that the EULA (end-user license agreement) for FrontPage 2002 contains a term prohibiting use of the software in connection with a site that disparages Microsoft or its online services. I love it."
The only place to hunker is a well-connected bunker. severn2j writes: "It seems that AL Digital's nuclear bunker (posted on /. a few weeks ago), has paid off for them in light of the attacks on the U.S. So much so that they've got another one."
And for all your fair-use needs ... An Anonymous Coward writes "Maybe lyrics.ch is going down now, but most of its content and even more is available from LyricsDot which is not going to close."
Good to hear. Amateur song transcription really isn't such a bad thing, except when you consider most of the songs.
Mac products are designed such that it is not necessary for the OS programmers to consider the variance in hardware. Mac products are standardized like game consoles, not PCs. If Apple released an upgrade, you can bet your bippy that they developed and tested it on the system that he's complaining it fails on.
Perhaps he tried to install Yellow Dog and that is causing his machine to stop working?
No conspiracy theory here, 10.1 does in fact break things. There were hacked up drivers for the Lucent WaveLan wireless ethernet card that worked with 10.0.4 but broke under 10.1. Various other programs like BBEdit had smaller problems also. Alot of programs have been re-released within the past few days to address 10.1 issues that have cropped up. If you haven't seen them publicized, it's because you're not looking on Mac boards, but they're there.
[Microsoft] Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday October 02, @05:30PM.
On the bright side, at least I use Linux :-)
If you celebrate Xmas, befriend me (538
I'm going into the bunker selling business, just like the 50s.
I can use terrorism fear, point to the governments overreaction for validation, I'll make a fortune! If they don't buy from me I'll report them annonymously as terrorist via the web!
if only Mcarthy had the web
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Anyone else still having trouble believing that sentence above is talking about New York City, USA in the year 2001? --> PhantomHarlock writes "New York City officials requested and got what's left of Metricom to re-activate the wireless network in the area surrounding the World Trade Center. Rescue and cleanup crews are using the network to coordinate and access death certificates filed online. Only one rooftop transmitter had been destroyed, the other four are still intact."
If you celebrate Xmas, befriend me (538
He's not talking about a problem with the hardware, he's saying that XFREE86 4.1 no longer works.
I don't need to mention that XF86 4.1 is software, not hardware, do I?
Has any M$ EULA ever been tested in court? Or is it just a legal stick that they use to menace people into compliance. Being that they never receive any physical proof that you "accepted" anything, it seems unlikely that they could use it against users.
Sure, it covers them from being sued for faulty software. But is it really a threat to users who "missuse" their products?
The article about nuclear bunker hosting got me thinking. We all know that back in the early days of the Net, when it was run by the US military/govt, it WAS designed to survive a nuclear attack, especially in terms of topology/redundancy.
But since the commercialization of the Internet, has this objective been swept aside for the pursuit of mere growth? How vulrenable as single points of failure are places like MAE-East, MAE-West, etc where the major backbones peer together?
Now, since the Net is mission-critical for a lot of businesses, might we need to ensure that it is survivable against such attacks, such as from terrorism?
Could anyone really say the Internet is still robust to the failure of a few nodes? Any real study been done the graph-structure of the net?
LyricsDot which is not going to close
.RU address), it just might stick around for a while after all!
If there's one thing the Slashdot crowd has figured out, it's to not count one's chickens before they've hatched.
As soon as the Harry Fox Agency gets wind of this, I'm sure they'll go after this new variant with just as much zeal.
However, since it appears as though the site truly IS hosted in Russia (rather than having a North American-based site with a
[ 8 ]
RIPE whois query for www.lyricsdot.ru (195.34.224.76):
inetnum: 195.34.224.0 - 195.34.224.255
netname: AOR2-1-NET
descr: Lipetsk regional network
country: RU
admin-c: AOR2-RIPE
tech-c: AOR2-RIPE
rev-srv: ns1.lipetsk.ru
rev-srv: ns2.lipetsk.ru
rev-srv: ns.vrn.ru
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: AOR2-MNT-RIPE
changed: aor@takthq.lietsk.su 19980321
source: RIPE
route: 195.34.224.0/19
descr: Lipetsk Regional Public Network
origin: AS8570
mnt-by: AOR2-MNT-RIPE
changed: aor@takthq.lipetsk.su 19971207
source: RIPE
person: Alexander I Ostankov
address: JSC "Lipetskelectrosvyaz"
address: Lipetsk regional NIC
address: 5, Plekhanova str.
address: SU-398000 Lipetsk, Russia
phone: +7 0742 470909
phone: +7 0742 470916
fax-no: +7 0742 744823
e-mail: aor@lipetsk.ru
nic-hdl: AOR2-RIPE
mnt-by: AOR2-MNT-RIPE
changed: aor@takthq.lipetsk.su 19981223
source: RIPE
I'm not really suprised by 10.1 breaking X. In order to get the speed increases that I've been hearing about, they probably had to retouch darn near everything all the way down to the kernel level. That includes the BSD layer, so I wouldn't be surprised if anything written at that level has problems. Even Apple's own dev tools that came with 10.0 are broken.
While losing X is irritating, I have a hard time getting angry at Apple. OS X was a real dog, and they absolutely needed to get performance up to snuff. Besides which, I'm sure that this glitch will be corrected shortly. Until then, you can get by with Aqua. It's not that bad. :)
This
Ok, its a change in the minor version of the OS. Think win98->winme, or anything->winxp. Or even linux2.2->2.4. Xfree 3.x->4.x. SOMETHING breaks. Whether it be 3d support, drivers for anything (or everything), or if its hardly recognizable as the same program, when the minor version number (or the major version number for that matter) goes UP, support for something must come DOWN. Either that or UP and DOWN or just two keys on my keyboard, I can't see straight enough to tell.
I am !amused.
The same could have been done with the wireless freenets that was mentioned a few articles ago.
Redudancy is good. Too much redundancy is bad.
The Bunker offers the ultimate in protection from a myriad of attacks including; crackers, terrorist attack, electro-magnetic pulse, HERF weapons, electronic eavesdropping and solar flares.
/.ers, but IMHO SeaLand would offer you protection from the more immediate threat to your privacy from governments.
How does a bunker protect you from crackers? If I bury an unpatched IIS server in my backyard, it's not going to get broken into?
This place is still cool to
"Get them before they get....
Go ahead and score this as insightful O' modera-tors....
The Bunker offers the ultimate in protection from a myriad of attacks including; crackers, terrorist attack, electro-magnetic pulse, HERF weapons, electronic eavesdropping and solar flares.
That seems kind of confusing to me that it offers protection against electronic eavesdropping, as doesn't the building need to connect to the "outside world" somehow? As long as a single line filled with data is coming out of the building, it isn't protected fully. Now if they could secure the lines all the way to uhh, the end user's house...THEN it would be superior.
I still have trouble if I lose a connection to a remote X machine, or if I kill XDarwin. In that case, I seem to have trouble starting a new X session, it complains that it cannot connect to a socket and that another XDarwin might be running.
-- Did you try Tao3D? http://tao3d.sourceforge.net
Awwwww, c'mon! How could you have missed this?
You said : "Redudancy is good. Too much redundancy is bad."
You should have said: "Redundancy is good. Too much redundancy is redundant".
Why people miss the easy ones I'll never know.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
The only thing there is to fear is /. itself.
Karma stuck at 50? Add 2-5 inches.. err.. 2-5x Karmas Count to your pen1es.. err.. Karma all naturally and private
If MS is inserting into its licenses, conditions of approved content, then they may well be stepping on the jurisdiction of the judge.
There is a certian right to protect the IP rights of a work, which is limited to the use of the work and derived copies. This means that MS can restrict the production and distribution of copies of their work.
There is also the certian right of association of "good name". This means, that if I write on some subject, then I can have you disassociate your work against mine. This was done, for example with Karl Marx and the "survival of the fittest". In the present context, it means the use of MS logos on sites that disparage MS.
But one can not prevent one from using a companies works, legally acquired, to fight against a company, as long as the product is not identified.
The licence as provided is not aimed at the protection of abuse of the intellectual property it covers, but to cover other IP not implied in the license. That is, the licence implies that you should protect IP that you are not being given special access to. It might be interesting to test this role of restraint in court, especially since the annual license thing has been deemed rental in Germany, with the implied restriction of owner (ie MS) fixes.
The other thing is that judges might not take kindly to other people dishing out punishment for crimes that they decide punishment for. For example, if I were to create a hate site, and such a site were legal, than MS could still punish me. If the judge decides it were illegal, than the judge punishes me, and this is all I should pay, not an additional punishment from MS.
What the EULA also grants, by undefined terms "hate, porn", is that they can control content. And for this control of content, they might also be leaving themselves open to the legal content of sites [... by acting as an editor, you become responsible for content ...]
OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
Make sure /usr/X11R6/bin and /usr/local/X11/bin are in your path.
ehintz
In the news story linked above, one of the "upcomming threats" that someone mentioned was this:
'It is not just terrorists that companies should be worried about. The biggest threat is anti-capitalists. They aren't going to go away. They've seen the hysteria and how capitalists go weak at the knees.
WTF is that about? I consider myself an anti-capitalist (living in a capitalist world, damnit) and so do some of my friends.. but why on earth would be want to break in and destroy computers or launch nukes on them? For gods sake we are geeks!
stuff
But since the commercialization of the Internet, has this objective been swept aside for the pursuit of mere growth? How vulrenable as single points of failure are places like MAE-East, MAE-West, etc where the major backbones peer together?
Much of that redundancy went out the window due to two factors:
The move from a generalized net (most sites talk to a random minimum of two others, the routers figure out the shortest route) to a backbone-plus-ISPs with lots of fixed routing and most sites as singly-connected leaves.
If you lose (all) your connection(s) to your ISP, or your ISP loses any single-point-of-failure or all N of a set of n-points-of-failure between you and the backbone, you're cut off. Running an ethernet cable to a neighbor's LAN that's still connected via another ISP will not get you the packets that were trying to reach your IP address.
Your ISP's connection with the rest of the backbone might have some nice self-healing characteristics. So the net-of-ISPs might still have that kind of survivability. But your packets are at the mercy of your ISP's survival and internals. (And if you're paying home rather than business rates I bet your ISP didn't spend many bux to make things redundant on their way to you.)
With the explosion of hosts the full routing tables are now WAY too big to be held in every router on the net. So we can't go back to the old style even if we wanted to - or at least not without a LOT of engineering.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
It works just fine on my setup...
BOFH excuse generator proof? I gotta check into this!
I note that the ricochet network is only guaranteed to the end of October. It shouldn't be that difficult to get a free network up and running to cover the site by then (even if it has to be powered by car batteries!).
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
It's clear, unambiguous, and I'm happy to say very fair.
Does any one else remember that?? I don't have a copy of it any more.
Adrian
To anyone still developing apps for the Newton (Amazingly enough, there are a lot of us stubborn buggers out here), the Newton Toolkit development environment does not work under OS X 10.1..
"Unknown Error"
Upgrade from earlier X versions at your own risk.
"Why would God give us a waist if we wasn't supposed to rest our pants on it?" - Rev. Roy McDaniels
Offering "the best office suite" for free, which can only be referring to Microsoft Office XP, is piracy. Expect to be visited by the Business Software Alliance soon.
mod parent up +5 insightful
I'm using XDarwin and that runs fine for me on a Ti under 10.1. However, installing 10.1 did break cvs, fink and a bunch of other things. I kept getting library errors. Installing the 10.1 developer kit (upgrading from 10.04 or whichever) fixed my problems.
I dont recall which one it was, but a few years ago, I was glancing at the CD, and I noticed the following comment on the package: "By inserting this disc into your CD-Rom drive, you agree to the terms of the license agreement. To view this agreement, please see the file LICENSE.TXT on the CD-Rom"
Heh, catch 22.
Hmmm -- you seem to be reading an awful lot into that comment that isn't there.
:)
Actually, I quite like OS X on my iBook, though when I use the iBook, I keep it in system 9 most of the time anyhow, just because of the extra overhead that X takes up.
I will probably put on X 10.1, but probably when a bug-fix version comes out. Not for any specific bugs, just because I tend to be conservative about upgrading.
For the same reason, I haven't tried any of the various Linux-for-PPC distros on it yet, but I do plan to; Mandrake on my iBook would be pretty nice
Why not lighten up, eh?
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
-Derek
You just need to go download the 1.0a2 rootless test patch (from the xonx sourceforge sight: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xonx ). I have it installed and X works fine on my pismo running 10.1
I think that elecronic eavesdropping is used to obtain information about data while inside a machine. Imagine two computers using an ethernet connection to transmit encrypted data between them. While tapping on the ethernet connection will get you nowhere, peeping at what one computer is doing or what it holds in its RAM might help a lot deal.
I know intelligence services claim they own the technology to do just that.
So, it's not a matter of connection, it's a matter of electromagnetic shielding.
For a really great EULA read the one that comes with the windows game "Heroes of Might and Magic 3" (HOMM3)
Its quoted as saying "you will reccomend this game to all your friends and say it is the best game ever made" and many more suspicious terms...
Now that's interesting: The lyrics on this new russian site are based on the data from lyrics.ch.
:-) (fingerprinting, anyone?)
How I know: I submissed a few lyrics to lyrics.ch with (very minor) typos - sort of to be able to track it
Now these very same fingerprints show up on the russian site - gotcha!
..."Only one rooftop transmitter IN THE AREA had been destroyed, the other four are still intact"?
The following is an ACTUAL copy of the first two pages inside a manual
for a product called EASYFLOW.
This is where the bloodthirsty license agreement is supposed to go,
explaining that EasyFlow is a copyrighted package, sternly warning you
not to pirate copies of it and explaining, in detail, the gory
consequences if you do.
We know that you are an honest person, and are not going to go around
pirating copies of EasyFlow; this is just as well with us since we
worked hard to perfect it and selling copies of it is our only method
of making anything out of all the hard work. For your convenience
EasyFlow Is distributed on a non copy-protected diskette and you are
free to do what you want with it (make backups, move from machine to
machine, etc.) provided that it is never in use by more than one
person at a time.
If, on the other hand, you are one of those few people who do go
around pirating copies of software, you probably aren't going to pay
much attention to a license agreement, bloodthirsty or not. Just keep
your doors locked and look out for the HavenTree attack shark.
Honest Disclaimer
We don't claim EasyFlow is good for anything - if you think it is,
great, but it's up to you to decide. If EasyFlow doesn't work: tough.
if you lose a million because EasyFlow messes up, it's you that's out
the million, not us. If you don't like this disclaimer, tough. We
reserve the right to do the absolute minimum provided by law, up to
and including nothing.
This is basically the same disclaimer that comes with all software
package but ours is in plain English and theirs is in legalese.
We didn't really want to include any disclaimer at all, but our
lawyers insisted. We tried to ignore them but they threatened us with
the attack shark (see license agreement above) at which point we
relented.
DON'T LOSE THE MANUAL
That's right; don't lose this manual. Especially don't lose it before
you have read this page. Why are we telling you this? Isn't it obvious
that you shouldn't lose the manual?
That's what we thought. Then we started getting all these calls from
people saying "Hi! I'm Joe Blow and you've never heard of me, but I
bought a copy of EasyFlow from FlyByNite Software and now I can't find
the manual... will you send me a new one free?".
At first we were nice guys and went along with this. Then we started
getting a bit more hard nosed about it; after all it is trivial to
copy the disk but the manual involves somewhat more work. Now we had
to agonize over each request and try to distinguish between the
genuine unfortunate ("the dog chewed it up") and the merely
unscrupulous looking for free software.
So what does everybody else do? We phoned the local Chevy dealer and
told them we had misplaced the engine out of our new Camaro; that call
didn't get us much useful information. Well
We called Borland and gave them a song and dance about losing our
Turbo Pascal manual; they said to mail a letter to their "Lost Manual
Review Committee". Wow! What a good idea. So we immediately rushed
out and set up our Lost Manual Review Committee. The Committee meets
once a month. They don't send out many replacement manuals, but they
seem to do a lot of howling, rolling around on the floor and saying
things like, "Oh wow - listen to this one".
Don't lose the manual.
Replacement manuals are available without going through the Committee
for US$147.95 each.
If you're more realistically paranoid than that, look at the number of root domain servers. There's been recent discussion about what they're doing for security and reliability, mainly worrying about crackers disrupting the databases. (Beyond, of course, the bigger problems are the relationships between ICANN, NSI, the UDRP, disgruntled postmasters, etc.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
What's the point of nuclear proof hosting if all you customers are dead, and the internet is fragmented and overloaded to the doghouse and nobody can reach your site?
Also, there have been whole ecologies of businesses around them, like companies providing dedicated managed computers in colo spaces, and companies providing shared hosting on the managed computers, and companies paying shared-hosting companies to market more shared hosting (either through legitimate business or pyramid scams), and ASPs running applications on the dedicated managed computers used by the shared-hosting customers as well as providing services to non-web-based business out in the real world, and spam hunting businesses trying to protect you from the pyramid-spammers selling shared hosting, and content provider businesses using the dedicated hosting to serve content to shared-hosting customers or other dedicated hosting customers, and billing companies providing billing services for those Internet businesses that actually can bill somebody, and advertising services trying to get the various hosting users to carry their ads.
Disclaimer: some of the folks who run The Bunker and also Havenco on Sealand are friends of mine, and my employer's also in that business, but I'm not speaking for any of them.
"Oh Dad, Poor Dad" - Wow, Blast from the past! I was in that play in high school summer theater, a few decades ago, playing "Dad", the corpse
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Largely open source of which not much is actually "open", right?
Failure is not an option.
OSX 10.1 uses an associated 10.1 update to the developer tools (now available to ADC members online).
Installing these first thing will save you a lot of trouble down the line. The linkers and compilers now work correctly.
I suspect most of the problems people are reporting come from the fact that they are using an outdated version of the dev tools.
Recently, a copy of "JavaPro" arrived at my desk with an attached CD-ROM. Inside the (sealed) sleeve was a folded license agreement, partly, but by no means completely readable.
The seal on the back of the sleeve read as follows:
"Notice: By opening this envelope you agree to be bound by the Oracle Technology Network development license agreement contained inside."
(Actually, the notice was all in caps, but I don't want to offend the Gods of the lameness filter.)
Not knowing whether the license agreement requires the forking over of my firstborn, or a requirement that I never again code in anything but FORTRAN IV, the seal remains unbroken and the CD-ROM remains unused.
If anyone has the actual text of the license agreement inside the sleeve (brave soul!), I'd love to see what it says.
668: Neighbour of the Beast
So, now we see one of the benefits of net access that does not require a wire to the customers site..
Where do you want to be, What are you doing to get there.
NOTICE
BY OPENING THIS ENVELOPE YOU AGREE TO
BE BOUND BY THE ORACLE TECHNOLOGY NETWORK
DEVELOPMENT LICENSE AGREEMENT CONTAINED INSIDE.
So I have to agree to the agreement before I can see it? Who thought this would be a good idea?
That's _Field Marshall_ Ashcroft, to you!
the EULA (end-user license agreement) for FrontPage 2002 contains a term prohibiting use of the software in connection with a site that disparages Microsoft or its online services.
Using FrontPage = embarrassing = disparaging to Microsoft
Hopefully they'll add this clause in the IIS EULA soon.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
The Darwin mascot is a platypus named Hexley. Who I find disturbing. Where are his poisonous spurs? Why does he look so much like Donald Duck?
Can it be that we have sunk to the level that freedom loving peoples have to move to Russia to actually practice the freedom's promised in our constitution?
The current Slashdot moderation system is made by gay communists!
Why do people constantly and apparently do want to mess with OSX and get rid of Aqua by replacing with XFree86? An Apple computer is hardware *and* UI. Why don't people just use NetBSD or some BSD of Linux on the Mac and forgo messing with Apple and OSX if they want to use XFree86? Most/all people including myself use a Macintosh and OSX to *specifically* get AWAY from Linux+XFree86 or BSD+XFree86. What you are doing is just trying to make OSX into Linux...Why? Why don't people just leave OSX and Apple alone and let them do what needs to be done to make OSX the best desktop OS on the planet/market? I understand that Darwin is the only OS that actually works perfectly on Apple's hardware...but why mess with Aqua, the Apple window server, and everything that goes along and ties into that? Why not just create a distribution that is Darwin+XFree86 on your *own* and stop screwing with Apple and OSX? This is *not* a troll, I am asking something very serious to the people at XonX and Slashdot. People use Mac to get *away* from traditional Unix windowing systems, simply because they basically suck in more ways than one. Apple is trying something new to Unix...Better/best windowing technology on the planet combined with a perfect/nearly perfect GUI. Why bring all of the crud/crap of *old* Unix like XFree86 along with it. It feels more like a plague from Linux/Unix than *any* sort of blessing to keep bringing in the old to try adn replace the new...and albeit immensely better. Some old things are absolutely excellent...aka BSD and some things are terrible...aka XFree86 and all of the bloated/crap libraries that most modern Linux apps require such as Gnome libs.