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Slashback: Equivalence, Toilets, Hundredth

Screenshots of the recently released OpenOffice, another appeal for old Usenet archives, a possibly true account of the One True Conspiracy, and Yes, a way for you to send messages of (sympathy? rage? hope?) to sojourners at MIT while they study for exams. All below in tonight's episode of Slashback.

Screenshots to show the boss. Jim Hall writes: "The other day, I downloaded OpenOffice build 628C for Linux and for Windows. I use Red Hat Linux (7.1) at home, and I already use StarOffice (5.2) for my regular office needs. It works great. I think my main complaint with OpenOffice is the silly desktop. Other than that, I consider it a fully functional office suite that can replace my MS Office needs anytime.

I didn't see any cool OpenOffice screenshots, so I made my own of the text document program. I didn't do any (yet?) of the spreadsheet program, or presentation software. These were really captured for the benefit of my brother, but I'm posting them here so that others can see them."

When I was a boy, we didn't have "archives" ... jbrw writes "Occasionally complaints will pop up that the archives at groups.google.com aren't complete enough. Well, here's your chance to help. Google is conducting an archive hunt to find some CDs from the "NetNews CD Series" pre-dating 1995, to help fill out their archive. I'm sure there's a whole heap of useful information hidden away in there, so it would be nice if it was available for all. Google says they will pay a spotter's fee for any of the CDs they don't have yet. I imagine the /. crowd would be more impressed with some sort of custom t-shirt, but there you go..."

We've mentioned this before, but it looks like they're still looking, or at least haven't updated the page.

Pinch your salt well, folks. Sir_Real writes "The RIAA wants to re-establish the CPRM standard. It is also lobbying lawmakers to make the ISP responsible for content shared by the people they provide for. Sound Cards are being targetted also. If Ms. Rosen has her way, "Watermarked" content will not be rippable because of hardware protection implemented in the new cards. The Register has the full story."

My advice would be to take this one more as a thought experiment than anything else, though it would be interesting if some sort of substantiation emerges.

The site named after a game show noise hits a milestone. Zanthrax writes: "ZZZ Online just got their 100th edition out ! You should go see this site if you allready haven't. Lots of cool stuff on the site gets submitted to /. , Like their ornithopter story which was on a lot sooner than here on /."

Just good, clean, vicarious bathroom fun. random-nerds writes: "Following a suggestion from a Slashdot reader, we built and installed a display in our bathroom so all you crazy Int0rnet junkies can send us messages while we're in our bathroom. Now the MIT Bathroom Server is fun for the whole family. Check it out at http://neurosis.mit.edu/foo/"

There's something wrong there.

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  1. Surfing the web in the loo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure pr0n filters have been enabled on those systems...

  2. Big Red Button by Sawbones · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's with the big red button on the MIT Bathroom display? If it does nothing may I suggest the "Please Fed-Ex me Toilet paper" internet alert button.

    Next feature request: send remote flushes to the Foo Floor toilet.

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  3. So. . . by jiheison · · Score: 3, Redundant

    It seems the RIAA is not only determined to run itself into the ground, but now wants to sink the entire PC industry by robbing it of the utilities that people actually want? I was fine when they were only trying to dissuade me from buying new CDs, but now they want to discourage me from upgrading my sound card and/or entire computer.

    Especially now, PC manufactureres need the RIAA like a hole in the head.

    1. Re:So. . . by Jason+Earl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My favorite quote:

      Steve Heckler: "Once consumers can no longer get free music, they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to put out."

      Or alternatively, consumers may simply start listening to bands from alternative labels that do most of their promoting with free music samples over the Internet. The fact of the matter is that the record labels are not nearly as useful as they were when distributing music meant putting vinyl records on shelves, and promoting it required convincing radio stations to give it air time.

      I personally have steered clear of this whole MP3 craze. So I couldn't care less what happens. But history and simple economics would suggest that the time is ripe for alternatives to the current music distribution scheme.

  4. Bathroom Related News... by ragnarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.ratemypoo.com
    I'm speechless...

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    1. Re:Bathroom Related News... by Quizme2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Striaght from the MIT bathroom server this quote comes as no suprise:
      Woah, Nellie! This thing's beeping up a storm. We must have made Slashdot again.

      Yes they are pretty bright over there.

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  5. Let me get this straight... by imadork · · Score: 5, Funny

    At work, we've been worried that our boss is tracking our bathroom time to make sure we're "productive" enough on company time. And these guys are posting their bathrom usage on the Net? How ironic.

    1. Re:Let me get this straight... by snake_dad · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which ofcourse makes me wonder just how much you have to "produce" in the bathroom to make your boss happy? :-)

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  6. Re:Safe Harbour by Lord_Pall · · Score: 3, Redundant

    It dawned on me that my first post wasn't completely clear.

    She's referring to holding all ISP's accountable if their users are found to be infringing on the riaa/mpaa ip rights (or wrongs if you prefer :) )

    The idea of pawning off legal or ip enforcement onto the isp is reprehensible to me, but seems to be the direction we're going

    we don't need a pesky legal system with due process.. just string them up at the corporations discretion..

  7. Gotta love this statement... by Robber+Baron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We'll leave the last, chilling word to Sony Music Entertainment's Steve Heckler: "Once consumers can no longer get free music, they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to put out." You have been warned.

    ...or I could simply be satisfied with the music I already have, or start listening to unsigned independent artists, or quit passively listening to the garbage the RIAA has the temerity to call "art" or "music" and start jamming with my friends. Who knows, I may even share it with whoever wants it in a format that I choose. Regardless, there is nothing that says that I have to do anything that involves participating in their greed-inspired, twisted vision of the future.

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    1. Re:Gotta love this statement... by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A very interesting source of music if you like soundtrack stuff and/or electronica are old game CDs. The tracks can be quite short, and some of the first CD platforms out there used audio track for dialogue, but there are some seriously interesting bits of music hidden away on Game CDs.

      Personally, I bought a Game Doctor (CD buffer) to repair scratched CDs so I can buy second hand stuff without worrying too much that it will skip. And I regularly visit the new electronica page on MP3.com.

  8. Consoles in the bathroom, eh? by neema · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lets hope the bathroom servers don't have a disk dump!

    Get it?

    Eh?

    Eh?

  9. The reason I don't buy music from major labels by jasonbrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I want to assure all those reading this post that my reason for opposing all these ridiculous bills proposed by the RIAA and other powerful interests is not to "download free music". As a musician and a member of our community orchestra, I do not need to get my music from major labels. I get all the live music (which i prefer) from my friends, family, and the musicians that I know and play with.

    As I am treated like a child and told how I can and cannot use my computer (or other interactive digital devices), I am forced to use one of the first and easiest forms of protest to stop a commercial entity from causing harm. I am simply not buying commercial music (or other IP) from companies that support these new laws aimed at taking away our rights and freedom AS A FORM OF PROTEST. It's called consumer backlash and it is very effective. No money ---> No power.

    At the same time I am writing letters to my legislators opposing these new bills like the SSSCA. We let the DMCA get by us. That was a mistake. The DMCA should be declared unconstitutional (which is being worked on) and we should as Americans stand up and let our lawmakers and power hungry corporations know that we will not stand to be treated like children.

    The point of the matter is: Everytime you buy a CD from the companies that make up the RIAA, your funding this war on your privacy and freedoms. So quit buying them. Music is everywhere. Find it where it is free. Do not circumvent, just find something else to listen to. If you will just open your ears you will discover the world is full of music and we do not need the RIAA to feed it to us.

    And please, write your congressmen and senators with real paper. Let them know how you feel about these new bills and the DMCA. They won't know your opinion unless you tell them.

    These bills can be stopped but it takes many voices to be heard over all that money flowing from the lobbyists.

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    1. Re:The reason I don't buy music from major labels by srvivn21 · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an alternative, if you simply must have currrently popular music, get it from secondspin.com or switchhouse.com or any other shop that sells used CDs. They sound just as good as the original, and more importantly, you are neither breaking any laws (yet) nor supporting the RIAA. Write your congress-critter anyways. It's the only way to keep your liberties.

    2. Re:The reason I don't buy music from major labels by Howie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you are neither breaking any laws (yet) nor supporting the RIAA.

      Or those pesky artists, unfortunately.

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  10. The RIAA is very misguided by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Sound Cards are being targetted also. If Ms. Rosen has her way, "Watermarked" content will not be rippable because of hardware protection implemented in the new cards"

    The RIAA is going through the classic crisis in the concept of property introduced by digital information.

    Since the invention of records and up to recently, music could never be found "living" outside of their wax drums, or vinyl disks, or cassette tapes. This was also true with books and photos, where the information could never be found "outside the paper". In short, up to recently, the medium and its content were inseparable from each other. As a result, humanity at large have blissfully mixed the commerce of media, which are physical numerable objects, and their content.

    Now that digital technology have split the two (you can have music or books or photos "floating around" as pure data), a millenia-old way of trading properties is totally crumbling : one cannot be sure that selling one medium-object sells exactly one copy of the content. The reason why traditional commerce of medium-objects works is because, up to today, it was harder or more expensive to copy the content onto a new medium than acquire a legit new copy. This is not true anymore : the lines have crossed, and it's now easier, cheaper and more convenient to copy the content than to acquire a legit copy.

    This is not a new problem. When did the lines cross ? for certain types of documents, like music sheets, the photocopier was a disaster (and publishers fought the photocopier). For music, the lines crossed when people could copy their audio cassettes with only a little quality loss. The lines haven't crossed for photographies, but I'm sure that won't take too long. Finally, books still sell as books today because people prefer paper books to LCD-equipped ebook, and it's still as hard to photocopy a paperback than to go buy it.

    So, the RIAA is fighting a lost battle : because they can't keep the medium and the content inseparable, they're trying to impair all the playback and recording devices enough that the hard-to-copy/easier-to-buy lines cross back to what it was before. Of course, it's impossible : even if every CD player and every soundcard in the world had copy protection (which is not going to happen, cf. 1930s prohibition), people would still find an easy way around the protection. The RIAA's other way of making it harder to copy things is by making it more legally dangerous : they count on most people's fear of the policeman to deter them from copying things, and in some cases, people's intrinsic honesty. For that to work, because copies are so easy to make, they'd have to create an Orwellian police state, and that's actually a real possibility.

    Of course, all traditional media companies are in the same boat. For example, when people will massively prefer E-paper over traditional books, book publishers will join forces with them, and that's not a prediction, that's a fact.

    What's the solution ?

    Well, there aren't many today : the traditional system of commerce with physical objects is so deeply rooted in human cultures that it's not going away anytime soon. A solution would be to create an entirely new economy for media contents from scratch. Not likely. Then, of course, if we had teleportation like in Star Trek, we could teleport medium-object as fast as we download data today, yet the teleported objects would retain their "object" property of uniqueness. Provided the teleportation process is free or very cheap, this would simply deprecate digital copies altogether. Again, not very likely.

    What's in store for the near future ? the RIAA, MPAA, publishing companies and other traditional giant media companies dying a more or less slow death due to their new-found utter inadequacy, and as they go down, hurting people's rights by imposing shoddy products and by twisting the arm of the law to protect their dying business models, instead of reinventing themselves.

    Brace yourself, it's going to hurt and it's only the beginning ...

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    1. Re:The RIAA is very misguided by Surak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The lines haven't crossed for photographies, but I'm sure that won't take too long.

      Really? So I take it you've never heard of a scanner? Companies like have developed technologies like "digital watermarking" which makes embeds copyright information into photographs in such a way that they are not visible to the naked eye, but scanners and other copying devices will pick them up. Put into an application like Photoshop, this copyright information can be read, and information about the copyright owner can be displayed. If all image editing and viewing applications supported such technology, it would be possible to prevent copying and modifying these copyrighted images.

    2. Re:The RIAA is very misguided by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful


      What I meant is, you don't (yet) hear Kodak or Polaroid moan and whine about how easy it is to scan argentic photographs with a scanner to view them on your screen, proposing that photo prints be moired to avoid scanning, or asking scanner manufacturers to embed watermark recognition in scanner's firmware to block scanning of copyrighted photos.


      There's a big difference between Kodak or Polaroid and those the RIAA represent. Kodak isn't producing IP. They produce media with which IP can be created. Granted - they might see a niche market in producing some of the watermark tech in their digital products.


      A better example of someone with a vested interest in photograph IP is Playboy.

  11. Walt Disney is watching you... by alpinist · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Even though I am in Canada, I find this whole snowballing IP situation very disturbing. I frankly don't care about getting an MP3 copy of some copyrighted song. I've been very pleasantly surprised at the quality and sheer quantity of music you can download from artists who actually want you to do so.

    I have pretty much sworn off buying CD's from any record company associated with the RIAA. Movies I almost never go out to see anymore, although I used to, but now I feel my money should not be going to the MPAA who wishes only to destroy entire other industries (ISP's, PC hardware, software) so they don't have to reconfigure their business model to work in the digital age.

    Unfortunately, it seems the entertainment industry is writing the law freely, and consumers are the ones getting the shaft, and people are losing rights, well, left and right. I wonder about the connection between our entertainment-centric society where people are obsessed with celebrities and this power the industry seems to have now to do whatever they please.

    1. Re:Walt Disney is watching you... by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Insightful

      consumers have no rights - except those they can afford.

      CITIZENS, who we all are, write the laws and are REALLY in charge.

      Dont accept the 'consumer' label unless you are willing to accept a position of inferiority to SuperMegaCapitalist Company's idea of your 'rights as a consumer'..

      It is a VERY important thing... go read some Chomsky.

  12. love it! by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    The music industry and its hired muscle, the Recording Industry Ass. of America, plans to step up its war against MP3 file sharing and CD ripping with campaigns targeting legal, technological and Internet access fronts, The Register has learned.

    Awesome! Slashdot editors, please be sure to borrow this idea, and refer to the RIAA this way from now on in all your articles!

  13. Re:An actual picture by ekrout · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  14. Give them some time. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, please don't use the 'I' word. It makes most of us hurl. As for compelling features in OpenOffice/StarOffice there are a couple things going on:

    1. This is the first release of a better modularized StarOffice. A lot of time was wasted in nailing down some of the basics that Star was missing.

    2. There really aren't any "compelling features" left to develop for the basic types of software. I still use M$ Office 97 instead of upgrading to the "new, improved" 2000 or XP versions. And why should I? Do they offer anything over my current software WORTH several hundred dollars? No, not really.

    Sun is really trying to make a commodity of Office apps instead of trying to make them "better". Making them "better" will only result in most people complaining that it isn't the same (ergo the StarDesktop).

  15. Site Mirror Of Huge Screenshots by ekrout · · Score: 3, Informative
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  16. WARNING! Re: upgrade from Soffice 5.2 to 6.0beta by yorgasor · · Score: 4, Informative
    Be careful if you're upgrading from Star Office 5.2 to 6.0 beta. I had my own document directory tree I use, so I found soffice's work directory to be inconvenient. So I did what any logical thinking unix user would do, and created a symlink from within soffice's work directory to my document directory.

    When 6.0beta came along, it asked if I wanted to import my settings from 5.2 into 6.0. Sure, sounds good. It worked great. Until I needed to retrieve my files from my personal doc directory. They were ALL GONE!!! The installer followed my symlink and "accidentally" deleted all my files in my document directory. It left the directories intact, but all the files were GONE!

    Fortunately, I had just made a backup of my system a couple days before, but I still lost a bit of work. !@$#.

    Moral of the story: backup early and often. Moral #2 of the story: beware of using beta software on production machines.

    You can read all the details of my experience on Sun's newsgroup that they collect bugs for star office on. It wasn't pretty.

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  17. Jim Hall is high... by SpookComix · · Score: 4, Informative
    "The other day, I downloaded OpenOffice build 628C for Linux and for Windows. I use Red Hat Linux (7.1) at home, and I already use StarOffice (5.2) for my regular office needs. It works great. I think my main complaint with OpenOffice is the silly desktop. Other than that, I consider it a fully functional office suite that can replace my MS Office needs anytime.

    Sheesh. Misinformation abounds about this product! First off, the current build is 638C. That build of OpenOffice contains much of the same base code as the official StarOffice 6 Beta that was released on Oct. 4.

    Let me be bold and italicized for this next one: There is no more integrated desktop. None. It sucked, and everyone knew it, so it's gone. Each component is seperate, with it's own icon (Text Document, Spreadsheet, Presentation, etc.)

    One last thing, because I know it will come up. Previous builds of OpenOffice did not contain a spell check. Before you flame about that, let me mention two things: I just downloaded a build of Mozilla a few weeks ago, and it had no spellcheck either (yet the version of Netscape that used that Mozilla build *did* have a spell check...keep reading). Second, I'm pretty sure this build has a spellchecker in place, or it's right around the corner. Beyond that, if it's not there already, there will be options for different languages (I know German is mentioned often on the discussion list.)

    StarOffice 6 Beta has a spellcheck, because that's one component that Sun owns and did not open source. There are other components in StarOffice that aren't in OpenOffice, but not many.

    Whether you go with StarOffice or OpenOffice, you won't be disappointed. It's an incredible product. It is the product that will allow me to convert my clinic (250+ employees) away from MS Office, which will pave the way for more free (as in speech, and possibly beer) software down the road. I'm very excited about it!

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  18. Cheaper Solution by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    While I have no proof of this other than circumstantial evidence, I believe that IBM hires will work for food people off the street. The deal being minimum wage and all the bran muffins they can eat. They then circulate these people between bathrooms. My only proof of this is that within moments of going into any IBM bathroom to take a dump, someone will come in, choose the stall right next to yours (Doesn't matter if there're six empty ones) and commence with the explosive diarrhea. It definitely makes you want to cut your business short and get the hell out of there, let me tell you...

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  19. Re:Safe Harbour by unitron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So let me see if I've got this straight. The RIAA, hardware makers, and Congress conspiring together to hijack your wallet and an open source answer to MS Office deserve to be buried in a Slashback with something about web surfing from a bathroom?

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