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Biking @ 80 MPH

sadclown writes "Saturday marked the conclusion of the World Human Powered Speed Challenge in Battle Mountain Nevada. Canadian Sam Wittingham now holds the world record for human powered speed on land, 80.55 mph, on the Varna Diablo, a fully enclosed 60 pound recumbent bicycle. Other competitors included Matt Weaver, with his video-camera-navigated bike (no windows)the Kyle Edge, World (conventional bike) Sprint Champion Jason Queally, with his bike the Blue Yonder Challenge, designed by the formula one race car designer Reynard, and the UC Berkeley team, The Bearacuda, in which two riders pedal back to back. Wittingham's new record is nearly 8 mph more than his record last year. Hopefully some of the aerodynamic technology can be applied to commercially available vehicles (cars, maybe?)."

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  1. wow! that's incredible! by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The maximum speed that I've measured for myself was 45 MPH on a flat road (although that was, as I remember it, 3rd of 4th gear on a 5 speed). Nontheless, there's a massive difference between that and the new record. --

    (FYI: I've got biking in my blood. My uncle on my mom's side, and my cousin on my dad's side were both national cyclists for Trinidad. Although I love cycling, I've never done it competetively.. and for what it's worth, I'm also Canadian).

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  2. design factors by Alien54 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The aero dynamics get more and more closer to a design where it resembles something like a streached out water balloon, a slick shell encasing the rider. After that, it is a matter of physical conditioning for the sprints, as well as judicious choice of gear ratios

    Given open ground, I do not doubt that the speed record will eventually go much higher if you had a sufficient distance to ramp up to speed.

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  3. Re:breathing apparatus??? by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you ever stuck your face out the window of a car at 60 MPH? Now, add 15 MPH and think about trying to pedal a bicycle while breathing in that sort of wind. It's not that you need much of a filter.. You just need somethin that will keep breating easy and comfortable.

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  4. Kyle Edge by Syre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm really impressed with Matt Weaver who built his own cycle, the Kyle Edge, and hence didn't have the same time for physical training that winner Sam Whittinghham had.

    His time of 5.73 in the 200M is only .18 second slower than the winning time, and his time of 46.78 in the mile is only 1 second slower than the winning time of 45.78. No one else came close.

    Next year, my money's on Weaver to win!

    1. Re:Kyle Edge by lisp-hacker · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Same procedure as last year ...

      Matt had also problem to be at the event.
      Sam started at Monday with his first record attempt. Matt had only Friday and Saturday.

      Jason Queally showed that it's not only the
      force and the money. He had by far the most expensive bike, but he is not adopted to drive
      a 'bent (he trained for 4 months AFAIR)

  5. Recumbent Tricycles by Bronster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Years ago, when recumbent cycle 'technology' wasn't as well known as it is now, I had the opportunity to ride both recumbent bicyles and tricycles created by a company called Greenspeed here in Melbourne, Australia.

    My experience with the bicycles was less than perfect - it takes a slightly different balancing technique to ride with your centre of gravity lower than the centre of the wheels. The handlebars are also beneath the seat, rather than up in front. I'm told a couple of weeks experience would be plenty to feel at home though.

    On the other hand, the trike is a joy to ride. Not quite as fast (if you're going for the speed record) but fantastic for cornering. I hit a corner a lot faster than I'd dare on a 2 wheel device, and it swung around without even lifting a wheel. Truly a fantastic piece of machinery.

    At AU$ 3,750 for the economy model, these things aren't cheap - but hey, I can drool.

    1. Re:Recumbent Tricycles by John+Harrison · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I recently rode the BikeE that my brother owns and it felt natural within a few minutes of riding. Not only was it comfortable, but it was great fun. You can buy the least expensive model for about US$575 though his was a bit more than that. Maybe my comfort was due to the fact that the handlebars are in a more normal position and you are sitting more upright than on more agressive recumbents.

      Now, in true hacker tradition, he has outfitted it with a homemade fairing (his wife calls it a windshield)in front and a wind box in back. All for about $6 worth of plastic. This recent inventiveness of his has spurred but the comment of another biker told him that riding behing him was almost as good as dragging off a small car. Hopefully that is no longer the case.

      You go Redbeard!

  6. Engineering-yes, style-no by maddogsparky · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Most cars could be much more aerodynamic. The problem is the stylists who decide how a car should look. Then the engineers are stuck trying to make a car work, get good fuel mileage and ride comfortably. All those "power bulges" and rear spoilers on cars with tiny engines that never go above 75 mph don't provide any mechanical advantages and increase drag.

    The real problem is trying to convince designers and the John Q. Public that aerodynamics are "cool", not the body styles with extraneous bulges, scoops and corners.

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  7. fast bikes by zephc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i seem to recall reading about some bike with some crazy gear ratio that got somewhere around 250 mph, but it had to be towed up to at least 70 or 80 mph to overcome the bike and rider's inertia

    i think i read about it in popular science or scientific american a couple years ago

    anyone know what I'm talking about?

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  8. Not aerodynamics by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hopefully some of the aerodynamic technology can be applied to commercially available vehicles (cars, maybe?).

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I honestly don't think that there are tremendous gains in automobile aerodynamics on the horizon. Automobile manufacturers can already greatly increase the aerodynamics of their product, but only at a sacrifice to ergodynamics and practicality. The future for more efficient automobiles lies mostly in the development of smaller and more efficient power conversion (IE the engines) and the development of alternative fuel sources. Besides, the featured cycle looked to have the same lines as a Ford Probe concept car from over a decade ago, so I don't think there's much to be learned here. On the other hand, I think it's absolutely cool that cycle riders can achieve true highway speeds, even if they have to be in incredible shape and practically dislocate their shoulders to fit into the vehicles.

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    1. Re:Not aerodynamics by bwoodard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The aerodynamics of SUV's and trucks are not necessarily bad because of styling constraints but rather because of cooling constraints. In the 60's and early 70's cars could pull trailers. In the late 70's when the US fuel prices shot up, cars were made dramatically more aerodynamic by using smaller engines. Smaller engines meant less heat and less heat meant less frontal area devoted to cooling the engine compartment. If you look at car designs from the 60's and from the 80's the big difference that you will see is that the front grill almost disappeared from cars.

      Trucks and SUV's are still designed to pull trailers or carry substantial loads. Therefore they still need the larger engines with much better cooling than cars. Therefore they need more frontal area and the designs are less aerodynamic.

  9. Commercially available by morie · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hopefully some of the aerodynamic technology can be applied to commercially available vehicles (cars, maybe?).

    A stable tricycle with this technology is commercially available in europe from a dutch company, "Velomobiel". Their "Quest" costs Dfl 12,500, approx. $5000,-

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  10. But what can mortals achive? by bluGill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've known for years that you can go really fast on a bike, when you are in good health and in shape and have a short distance.

    What I want is a bike that I can ride at some [fast] speed all day on my own power. Assume my exercise is only riding the bike to work (which if areoboic is enough to keep me in shape, but I'm still not pro level)

    Remember that I'm only getting older. 7 years ago my body was at about the peak of its ability. I've got a long way to 40 and my body is already in decline. I'm looking for something I can use when I retire and still make good time.

  11. Pics from last year's contest by mecran01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some cool pics from last year's contest can be found at the same site:
    http://wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/speedruns2000/ wo rlds-fastest-bicycle-2000.htm

    They're worth looking at because they show more interior details of the bikes, including small video display units and breathing masks.

    If you want to see an almost-recumbent car, check out this prototype from Corbin Motors:

    http://www.corbinmotors.com/

    It's the closest implementation I've seen of the faired recumbent style. Of course it'll go 110 mph using dead dinosaurs, and it is amazing looking.

  12. Car spoilers by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For sure the majority of spoilers on consumer cars are absurdly useless. Indeed I remember in the mid/late 80s when you could get the Mustang 5L (did Americans call this the Mustang 1.32G? :-}) in two variants: The plain jane version, and the "GT" version chocked full of ground effects and spoilers. In actual tests the GT version was somewhat slower than the plain version because of the added 40lbs+ of ground effects, plus the fact that they were aerodynamically horrendous and thwarted rather than helped the car.


    The coolest thing about F1 cars is that most of the ground force is caused by air going under the car and sucking the car into the ground. Indeed they banned things like Venturi tunnels under there because the ground force was getting too extreme.

  13. Re:Imperial vs. Metric: SERIOUSLY OFFTOPIC! by Malc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The US is JUST DOMINANT ENOUGH to keep Imperial measurements around about as long as they want. Like it or not. "

    Ahhh, but now you're just trying to screw with our minds. You call them Imperial measurements, but some are only in name. Take pints for example, 16 fl. oz. vs. 20 fl. oz. Which has a knock on effect on gallons, and thus car mileage. I find this makes for really small beers in the US. And what about the "short ton"? The US ton is 2,000 lbs vs. 2,240 for the Imperial ton. Talk about a perverted sense of humour!

  14. Why no recumbents in Tour de France? by GodSpiral · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there a rule that prevents recumbent bicycles from running in road races? Or is there a technical reason (maybe they're not so great for hill climbing ??) that makes them not the best choice.

    1. Re:Why no recumbents in Tour de France? by Thurn+und+Taxis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Recumbents aren't used in road races because they wouldn't affect the outcome. What most people don't understand about the Tour de France (or any serious bike race) is that it's not an individual sport, but a team sport. No single rider can maintain a fast pace unassisted for any length of time. In the Tour, riders have to travel about 200 km per day most days for 20 days (okay, they get one day off in the middle). This year, Armstrong averaged 40.01 kph for 3452 km. Could he do that on his own? No chance. The reason he was able to maintain that speed was that he rode in a group -- the peloton -- that took turns fighting wind resistance. The peloton (a French word meaning "a bunch of guys on bikes" -- at least 90% of the riders on any given day) is made up of many teams, all riding together in one big group. The people at the front of the peloton put out an extra effort to fight wind resistance, so the rest of the group doesn't have to. Various teams take turns at the front, so that no one team gets worn out. The strategy of the Tour involves teams trying to control the speed of the peloton, either speeding up or slowing down, by spending extra time at the front either riding hard (to speed up the group to catch cyclists trying to break away) or riding slow (to slow down the group and let their team's star ride away with the victory). Of course there's more to it than that, but that's the basic idea. And that basic idea would not change if the riders were all on recumbents. Whether you're riding at 40 kph or 70 kph, your basic foe is wind resistance, and the rules of the peloton still apply. So allowing recumbents would not change the spirit of the race (which is really more like chess than like sprinting), but would increase the danger to all the participants. Is that a good idea? I think not.

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  15. Re:Not really human powered... by Halloween+Jack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The force of the air rushing in to fill the vacuum behind the fairing creates a suction effect that pulls the bike along. Almost all of the power is comming from the dragster's engine, not the rider. He might as well just use a rope.

    Uh... what's your source on this? Yes, the point of the pace car is to reduce/remove the air resistance from the cyclist (thus simulating riding in a vacuum), but the cyclist still has to crank like crazy. Have you ever checked out the gear ratios on these bikes? The previous record holder had to be towed up to 60 mph before he could even start pedaling.

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