J#

fuze writes: "It's basically a way for Java developers to migrate their Java apps to .NET.... even provide a 'convenient' migration tool... check it out on MSDN." News.com has a story describing Microsoft's plans to suck Java into .Net, and some commentary saying basically, "No one will use it".

Comments

Evil Ploy Alert!

[Gnight]

And in other news Microsoft has publicly announced plans for the following projects:

1. GNU#.net (RMS finally gave up and was hired my MS)

2. OSX.net (Steve jobs has now finally ground his teeth all the way off)

3. .org (DON'T even ask what it is)

What's next?

[wysoft]

VBS# - killing two birds with one terribly ugly stone.

Boycott D Flat

[Anonymous Coward]

I will never use D flat.

According to CNN, Microsoft's B flat is the programming language of choice of Osama bin Laden.

so Java is ...

[quick_dry_3]

even more portable than before?!

Re:GTK#

[Lars Arvestad]

Bah, that ain't clean. This is clean:

echo 'Hello world!'

or if you are into elisp:

(message "Hello world!")

For further discussion, I refer you to the (almost) definitive resource on hello-world programming: Hello World! Thank you.

Re:Initial reactions

[0xA]

The focus seems to be on J++ developers, not Java developers. But personally, I will use J# iff:

It compiles Java completely and correctly.

It compiles to a native .NET executable that gives a significant speed advantage over VM bytecode on a .NET platform.

I have to make exactly zero changes to my Java to have it compile to both VM bytecodes and to a .NET executable.

So basically what you're saying is that there's no way in hell you're going to use J#?

I agree with the points you made 100% but I don't think its' going to happen.

Re:Control

[MillionthMonkey]

So the Sun JVM would run on top of .NET? The JVM itself would be running under a CLR VM. Native code is now TWO levels below you.

This is actually an interesting idea. Maybe you could use Java to write an interpreter for your own custom bytecode. Then you would run it using the Sun JVM running on top of the CLR VM and get THREE levels away from the native code. The ultimate would be a VM written in the same bytecode that it interprets. Then you could just stack those VM layers up like Legos to the sky! There are probably some good IOCCC entries in here somewhere.

The real question is: if .NET is only going to run on Windows then why does Microsoft need to set up a VM for it at all?

Re:J# vs. C#

[BitwizeGHC]

XML Comments? What are they smoking? They must be really intoxicated with XML hype over there. Pretty soon Ballmer'll start mandating that all meetings be conducted in an XML variant. Instead of "This meeting is adjourned" you'd hear "Open bracket slash meeting close bracket!"

Re:Corporate Thinking or Public Service?

[Anonymous Coward]

>Well, seeing how Microsoft/MSN gets around 7 times the number of unique visitors that Google gets, and that they hang around the site around 25 times longer than Google's, you tell me how concerned they are.

considering that google is a search engine , and msn is just a mess, I would consider your statement to be a glowing endorsement of google. People get what they need 5 times faster!.

And it's true because you said it!.

Re:More importantly :how to pronounce J# ?

[muffel]

In German, '-is' is appended to the letter for # (and '-es' for flat).

So: Jis

which I will comment no further.

.NET vs .COM

[ISPTech]

I can already see the Sun ad campaign to follow the .NET initiative.

Sun: We put the "." in .NET too. ;-)