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Nokia 5510 - Cell Phone and More
matthew.thompson writes: "Nokia have released a phone to give the RIAA nightmares - it includes built in MP3 playing AND encoding and an FM stereo radio - so you can MP3 up tracks from the Radio or from an external source via a line in jack. It's also got a full qwerty style keyboard and GameBoy Advance style layout. RIAA headache inducing features here and piccies etc here." I'm not quite sure how this works - Nokia's page says the gizmo plays "secure" mp3 files, which sounds to me as if it is crippled. Here are some hi-res photos. Update: 10/11 12:59 GMT by M : Ahh, my misreading. It says "secure AAC and MP3 files", and apparently "secure" is intended to apply only to AAC. According to the FAQ, the phone is crippled - only stores crippled AAC files, not unencumbered mp3's. A shame.
Anyway, to end the controversy: Much like the Nokia Music Player, the 5510 plays both AAC (the proprietary, "secure" filetype) and MP3. The MP3 player is NOT crippled in any way. You copy the file from your PC to the player and that's that. (It holds 64MB, just like the regular Nokia Music Player).
Blue skies, Barthy Burgers, girls...
According to the FAQ the software (for a 'compatible' PC) encrypts any music you want to listen to to AAC format (not heard of that one before) before the phone can download it. It does that to MP3s as well as any other media that you want to store on the phone.
What does having a MP3 player built in do to your phone's battery life?
What do people think about the trend of lumping more and more functionality into single devices? Most people seem to think it's a bad idea with software, is hardware any different?
-- Andy
Did you read before posting? We are not talking about an phone with a mp3 player (i grant this is old) but about an phone which can RECORD mp3-files. Surely new technology. We are currently seeing the first portable mp3 recorders and here we have it included into a phone! Impressive technology and you say "no new features"?
Easy. The big mobile phone manufacturers (Nokia, Ericcson, Siemens) are all based in Europe where we have GSM-Nets. Surely they will first produce a phone which can work in there home countries. And GSM won't work very well in the USA (except the few GSM1900 nets).
:-) This will change with the emerge of UMTS however.
Face it: The USA had the first mobile phone networks but this is also the reason why you are using long outdated technology. Sometimes its better to be late but get good new technology
heh, that already happens with normal mobile phones.
i believe there was a case recently here in the UK where some twat was driving along while typing out a text message on his phone, lost control of the car and crashed into a park or something. luckily no one was injured. i think he was just charged with dangerous driving.
(begin rant)
some people just have no common sense when using phones and driving, you shouldnt be bloody driving whilst holding a phone up to your ear. get a hands free kit if you really _have_ to talk to someone right then and now. there cant be many things that are _so_ urgent that you cant wait 30 seconds to find somewhere to pull over.
bah
Here is a nokia music player press release dated March this year. It says 32megs for an hour of music. (Must be a pretty crummy bitrate though). Today's link claims 2 hours, but I doubt that's at the standard 128kbps. Anybody know how much memory in this thing?
According to the FAQ:
Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?
Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510.
In what format is the music saved in my hard disk?
All the songs are saved in encrypted AAC format.
So it looks like the Audio manager encryps mp3's before they get sent to the device. Which also means that you probably can't download and play then on another machine. It also probably means that the format on the device is NOT mp3. more like AAC format, which is exactly the reason why I haven't got a Sony Memorystick walkman...
Maybe what you saw has been changed by the marketing folks to conform to 'industry standards'?
/b
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The music formats supported by the Nokia Music Player are AAC (Advanced Audio Coding), secured with InterTrust digital rights management technology, and MP3.
By providing AAC within InterTrust's DRM system, distributors can not only rest assured that the codec will be used appropriately, but they may now offer innovative DRM-based licensing models for the technology.
Nokia 5510 * Availability: Europe, Africa, Asia * Operating frequency: EGSM 900/1800 networks in Europe, Africa, and Asia Pacific
No mention of a US version as far as I can find.
Sounds like this item is pretty much inline with RIAA rather than being their nightmare.
- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Can I play downloaded MP3 files on the Nokia 5510?
Yes, the Nokia 5510 can play MP3 files in protected format. Copies of the downloaded music files are added to the Nokia Audio Manager database. Nokia Audio Manager encrypts the music files and downloads the protected MP3 format to the memory of the Nokia 5510.
From reading the spec, the poxy thing has 64Mb for MP3 storage, an FM radio, and still has annoying bleepy ringtones rather than sample-based ones like (at least) Sony mobiles have.
No sign of IR data in the specs either, which is more or less standard in other Nokia WAP phones...
Nearly, but not quite. (add smartmedia or CF support to the wishlist)
"don't fall into the fallacy of believing that Perl can solve social problems. Maybe Perl 6 can, but that's a ways off"
Not quite.
It was a LORRY driver who was composing a text message while driving. He failed to see a car in front of him, smashed into it at high speed, killing the guy in the car. Having caused a fatal crash he then completed his text message (it was the text message being sent that got him caught). Presumably he must have sent the text message before calling for an ambulance ! (since most phones won't let you make a call in mid-text-message-compose, and then revert to the message where you left off.)
Nice guy huh ! Drives unsafely, killing someone (not that he would have known whether they were dead, dying or very seriously injured), then completes his text message before calling for an ambulance !
People can already do this. RIMM and Motorola both market a "pager" with a full keyboard on it that are supposed to be "always on" so you can get your e-mail instantly. Imagine if all the slashdot nerds had one of these and were playing with there e-mail constantly....
United States GSM-Systems are on 1900 MHz not on 900 or 1800 like the european ones (900+1800 were already used in the united states). So you need a GSM phone which can work on 1900 MHz or a triple-band which can work 900/1800/1900. This phone is only 900/1800.
Even the info on how he did it is posted on the symbiandevnet.com website.
it's in my head
Heck, even fishball vendors (the ones who sell food-on-sticks on the sidewalks in urban places) and jeepney drivers (i.e. public transportation guys) actually own cellphones here, and they use it mainly for SMS messages (frequently pronounced by Filipinos as just "texts")
It's the simplest way to keep connected in this side of the world. Then again, SMS is pretty cheap here at PhP1.00 (around US$0.02) compared to a cellphone call at PhP6.00/minute. You also get hundreds of free messages per month, too.
Pet peeve: Profane people propagating perfunctory pedantry.
> Why does Nokia care if the file format on the phone is "protected" or not? Is there some kind of phone-to-phone transfer capability
c .h tml shows a (cartoon) guy copying a song he's just recorded off the radio to his friends phone, and another one from a CD, then uploading them onto his PC.
http://www.nokia.com/phones/5510/spotlight_musi
But from the FAQ, the upload to the PC has to use the Nokia software which uses "encrypted AAC format" to store it, so presumably stops it being freely copied from there.
Maybe the phone-to-phone copy is allowed because you can't use your phone as a server for anyone to download from, only physically close people with a wire? (And maybe it's an analogue connection, or has deliberately introduced generation loss?)
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