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Carbon Magnets At Room Temperature

Bolie writes: "Trying to make high temperature super conductors yielded an unexpected result. The pure carbon bucky ball material was put under pressure to make sheets. That worked. Picture microscopic bubble pack. But the result was a sheet that was magnetic at room temperature. It has not escaped the attention of the discoverer, Tatiana Makarova, that this might be useful for a non-metallic computer memory. The material is also lighter than metals, flexible and transparent. Lasers anyone?"

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  1. Curie Point by Self+Bias+Resistor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, no. What the article was saying was that the material is the first non-metallic material that was magnetic at room temperature (meaning that other non-magnetic materials weren't, at least not at room temperature). The point about the material being magnetic even above 200C was about the material's Curie point (above which the material stops being magnetic) being much higher than any other material, the previous record being 255C which was held by a different form of buckyballs. So this material is interesting because it's the first non-metallic material to be magnetic at room temperature and has a higher Curie point than any other non-metallic material to date.

    Apparently, the material's magnetism could be linked to unpaired electrons, which can sustain a magnetic field when their spins are aligned (in this case there are unpaired electrons). One possibility is that they bond in triangular groups of three, which would provide for unpaired spins.

    Although, to be used as computer memory it would have to have uniform magnetism, not just in pockets. But either way it's a significant step forward.

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    1. Re:Curie Point by Phrogz · · Score: 4, Informative
      The point about the material being magnetic even above 200C [...] the previous record being 255C which was held by a different form of buckyballs...
      You do realize that the HTML for the article is broken, and that the previous record was -255C, right? Because simple math states that +255 is already greater than +200, right?
  2. Re:250 degrees ? 200 ? by TheMidget · · Score: 3, Informative
    The new magnetic sheet "...is the first non-metallic magnet to work at room temperature."

    "...she found instead that the new material was magnetic even above 200 C. Until now, the highest temperature at which a non-metallic material was magnetic was 255 C."

    Ok, let's take it word after word:
    • room temperature.: Aound 21C.
    • the new material was magnetic even above 200 C..The word "even" seems to imply that it is a feat to go above a certain temperature . Which implies that with higher temperature, materials tend to lose their magnetism (Curie point). Which implies that the material is also magnetic for all temperatures below 200 C. Which includes 21C, i.e. room temperature. Probably, the reason for the strange formulation was that the researcher didn't have any oven handy which went over 200 C, or that any higher temperature fried his magnetism measuring equipment, or whatever. So he was just saying that at 200 C it was keeping its magnetism, and that it was likely that it would keep it even beyond that mark.
    • Until now, the highest temperature at which a non-metallic material was magnetic was 255 C. The words "until now" means "all materials known before" this one was discovered. Meaning that the 255 C refers to a different material. Oh, and btw, 255 C (that's minus 255) is below room temperature.
    So where is the contradiction?
  3. Re:minus signs by bowb · · Score: 2, Informative

    yes, that's what is happening. IE5.5 isn't showing the minus sign on -255 even though it's there in the source. That's pretty scarey.

  4. mystery solved by bowb · · Score: 3, Informative

    They used a Soft Hyphen (­ or ­) character instead of a minus sign. Browsers are not supposed to display a Soft Hyphen unless the line is broken at that point.

  5. Buckyballs are wonderful... by ymgve · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not only will they give us a new form of storage, but they can also be used as a treatment for AIDS.
    Interesting how versatile a simple molecule can be..

  6. Re:Buckyballs by nealbutler · · Score: 3, Informative
    Here's a few interesting links on the subject...
    • Here is a not-too-technical report on buckyballs, their properties, etc.
    • According to
    • this article, buckyballs hold the record for highest-temperature superconductor.
    • A report (fairly technical) on research into building buckballs...
    • And
    • here's a report on single buckyball transistors.
    Enjoy! :)
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  7. Re:250 degrees ? 200 ? by PhilHibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a mistake in the HTML, the 250 should be -250, but they put a soft hyphen in instead of a minus sign or a dash.

  8. Re:Fast writes, slow reads? by wyldeling · · Score: 3, Informative

    By writing to a particular memory cell, light passing through that location may be polarized differently because of the different magnetic field. This could then be used to verify the particular state it is in. This could be a very fast way to read the memory.

  9. Re:Fast writes, slow reads? by jeff_bond · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can read the thing with a magnetic head.

    I believe minidiscs work like this. Someone's bound to correct me if i'm wrong.

    To write, the laser heats a very small spot on the disc (to above the Curie point), and the magnetic head magnetises the spot in the required orientation. The use of the laser allows a much smaller spot on the disc to be targetted than with the magnetic head alone.

    Reading is done without the laser, just the magnetic head in a manner similar to a hard disc.

    Jeff

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  10. Re:The shape of a bucky ball... by Blorgo · · Score: 2, Informative

    (Ignoring the fact that most of the world calls the sport the Americans call soccer 'football'; I'll write with American usage:)

    Right, and wrong. Buckballs are C-60 and soccerball shaped, but some relatives are indeed football shaped (more like a rugby ball, really), and have 70 or 76 Carbon atoms inside.

    "C60 and C70 have similar properties, with six reversible, one electron reductions to C60(6-) and C70(6-) having been observed, whereas oxidation is irreversible. The first reduction for both fullerenes is ~1.0 V (Fc/Fc+), indicating they have electron accepting properties. C76 exhibits both electron donor/acceptor properties. C60 has a tendency of avoiding having double bonds within the pentagonal rings which makes electron delocalisation poor, and results in the fact that C60 is not "superaromatic". C60 behaves very much like an electron deficient alkene and readily reacts with electron rich species. " (from
    http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/bucky ba ll/c60a.htm )

  11. You have no idea what you are talking about. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Absolute zero is -273.15C (or is it .16)
    or 0K There is no such thing as 'degrees kelvin'; the proper way to say it is 'zero kelvins'.

    And this discovery has absolutely nothing to do with superconductivity; only that they were trying to produce a superconductor when they discovered it was magnetic. This is not an advancement in superconductivity. They didn't produce a superconductor. That's obvious even without reading the article...

    Also, you are correct about superconductors.. but... the reason microprocessors work is because they are full of SEMIconductors... transistors... you HAVE to have resistance.. you can't build logic with pure superconductors.

    1. Re:You have no idea what you are talking about. by Fyndo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Errr. there are superconducting devices that you can use to build logic. Well, you need insulators too, but the josephon junction can be used as a switch, and involves no semiconductors. That said, it's not something we'll be seeing any time soon.

  12. Re:Forget about Laser Memory.... by FFFish · · Score: 3, Informative

    What about Spherical Magnets ?

    Pretty cool. Now if I could only think of a use for them... :)

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  13. ITS -255c by geekoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a bug in some browsers that fail to display the - sign. The articl may appear to say the previous temp was 255c when it actually says(look in the source) -255c.
    I don't know how to post a story update, so I'll do this here.

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  14. Re:The shape of a bucky ball... by Hal-9001 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, that shape is technically called a truncated icosahedron, IIRC. That way it doesn't matter what sport you play: everyone is equally confused... ;-)

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