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Lucent's New Chip Is Just One Molecule Thick

lotusFlow writes: "According to this NYTimes article, Lucent has developed a chip with a layer of transistors that is one molecule thick. This development is considered a new tep above nanotech because "here you direct the molecules with self-assembly to go where you want them to go." Commercial applications of this technology are years in the making, of course."

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  1. Now, if only they could... by gregwbrooks · · Score: 4, Funny
    Develop a stock price worth a rat's ass...

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    1. Re:Now, if only they could... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lucent's at $6.88. You can buy a rat's ass for anywhere between $4.00 (cull) to $23 (confirmed mated and dated) to $158 (Spontaneous Mutation Congenic). So that's anywhere from a 41% drop in stock price to almost a x23 gain. Of course, these prices are just approximations: you get all the other organs, too. No one would give me a price on just that the anal sphincter.

  2. Could Somebody Please Tell Me... by CtrlPhreak · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    What's the difference between this story and the a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/17/ 1844217&mode=nested">one on the same page?

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  3. Solid State Circuit. by os2fan · · Score: 2
    Should be interesting to see how robust it is.

    But would it not be better to work on 3D chips: actual "solid state circuitry"

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    1. Re:Solid State Circuit. by os2fan · · Score: 2
      Yes, I'm a female.

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  4. quantum effects? by Wantok · · Score: 2, Redundant

    one molecule thick?!

    correct if i'm wrong, but it seems to me that this is venturing into the realms of quantum behaviour... where predictability, reliability, etc etc all fall in a heap.

    without getting into the *advantages* of quantum scale computing - e.g. entanglement - isn't this creeping to the edge of the precipice?

    (caveat - i am a total lay person with no serious technical knowledge of quantum effects)

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    1. Re:quantum effects? by Grech · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quantum effects happen over distances that are significantly smaller than the 'diameter' of an electron, a couple orders of magnitude smaller than an atom, much less a 60+ molecule buckytube.

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    2. Re:quantum effects? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2
      Quantum effects happen over distances that are significantly smaller than the 'diameter' of an electron

      I thought that the distance of a quantum effect depends on the energy of the particles in question. For example, some optical diffraction experiments demonstrate quantum phenomena over visible distances.

    3. Re:quantum effects? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point is moot. The chip is only being shrunk in one dimension. Any "quantum effects" are going to be confined to that dimension. The other two are independent.
      The real problems are mesoscopic effects, because atoms are "sticky" and objects made of 10-1000 of them do weird things. They aren't as easy to manipulate as the macroscopic objects that we have real-world experience with.

    4. Re:quantum effects? by caffeinated_bunsen · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Quantum effects happen over distances that are significantly smaller than the 'diameter' of an electron, a couple orders of magnitude smaller than an atom, much less a 60+ molecule buckytube.

      #include <IAAP.h>

      Erm, no. There's really no set limit to the distances over which quantum mechanical behavior can be observed, though it's most often restricted to sub-molecular scales. Quantum mechanics is required to describe pretty much any behavior of single electrons accurately. The 'size' of an atom is determined by the uncertainty in position of its bound electrons. Molecular bonding is a quantum phenomenon. Carbon buckytubes exhibit superconductivity precisely because quantum effects manifest themselves over distances several times the interatomic separation. Bose-Einstein condensates form when all the particles of a piece of matter fall into the same quantum state (i.e. they differ only by position). Still, quantum effects are usually only seen in molecular and smaller scale systems.

      As for molecular computing, the molecules in question are mid-sized organic molecules, 2 benzene-type rings with a sulfur atom at each end (according to the diagram in the earlier article). These are large enough that one doesn't have to worry much about each interacting with the next, except at absurdly low temperatures. Even so, each transistor is composed of many molecules in parallel, and the distance scale of the transistor as a whole is much too large to worry about quantum interactions between transistors screwing up your calculations.

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  5. Small or not ? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny
    "It is really, really nice work that will influence the field a lot," said Dr. James M. Tour, a professor of chemistry at Rice University. "They hit on something really big."

    I thought it was only one molecule thick ?

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  6. Nice work and all,... by nickgrieve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "It shows what can be the ultimate limit for transistors," Dr. Schön said. The technology is years away from commercial applications.

    Nice work and all, but just looks like more "In five to ten years" tech to me... Speaking of which, what are we using now that was 5 to 10 years away in 199x?

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    1. Re:Nice work and all,... by Magnusite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, off the top of my head, I can think of:

      1) Giant Magneto-resistive drive heads, which IBM had been working on and claimed to be right around the corner
      2) Silicon-on-Insulator manufacturing technology for integrated circuits. Another research project in 199x
      3) Copper Interconnects for Integrated Circuits - also big research in 199x
      4) Recordable CD's. This was also being researched in 199x
      5) A LOT of problems have been overcome in GA (Gallium Arsenide) circuits manufacturability. This is especially good news for the communications industry.
      6) DSL and Cable Modems - just research projects only five years ago
      7) DVD - that's right, didn't exist in 1995, just a twinkle in the eye of a few companies.

      I have probably forgotten quite a few, but this is not too bad a list.
      Now, don't even get me *started* on the tech we use today that didn't exist in 198x!

  7. one "molecule"? by motherfuckin_spork · · Score: 5, Interesting
    you do realize that there are some freakin' huge-ass molecules out there. this isn't one "atom"... it says one molecule... big, big difference.

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    1. Re:one "molecule"? by L-Wave · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/nonlin.htm

      do "Find" for bowling, it says so on there. =) (And yes, its a valid site)

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    2. Re:one "molecule"? by radja · · Score: 2

      bowling balls, car tires, plastic coffeecups... Just about all polymers are 1 molecule.

      //rdj

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  8. How many molecules in a micron? by stonecoldt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The layer of carbon-based molecules is less than one ten-millionth of an inch thick, far thinner than the equivalent structure in current silicon transistors."

    What's this "far thinner" and "less than one ten-millionth" nonsense? Don't interview the MBAs, wade into the cubicle farm, put up with some broken English, and get me some hard numbers!

    Here's my math: One ten millionth of an inch is 0.00254 microns. (2.54 millimicrons? :-) ) Is this number comparable to current 0.18 and 0.13 manufacturing processes? Does this mean the practical limit is about 3 or 4 billion transistors? (100x the athlon.)

    Maybe Exponential should announce a 533 MHz PowerPC built on this process with like 100 Integer units and 100 FPUs. :-)

  9. Sounds Dangerous. by sorghumking · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seems like you'd get some nasty cuts if you grabbed it by the edges!

  10. Re:Molecule of what??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If memory serves from reading the original Bell Labs report (posted here just yesterday), the molecule was some form of sulfide-phenyl bridge.

    [Dusting off chemistry text]

    So, if you're scoring that at home, it looks like this:

    -S-Phenyl-Phenyl-S-

    This would give it a molecular weight of 216 and a length on the order of 10 nanometers, or 0.01 microns. Not too much smaller than 0.18 or 0.13 process chips, but the self-assembly and inexpensiveness of the materials look like the real winning points here.

    Dave

  11. Terrific. by DeadMeat+(TM) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gotta wonder if they make it much smaller, if the Heisenberg Uncertainly Principle will start taking effect. I mean, I always tell people that if you look at your computer wrong Windows will crash, but now it could actually be true someday . . . :)

  12. Text of the article, so you don't have to register by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    In an advance that presages the tiniest of computer circuitry possible, researchers at Lucent Technologies have built a transistor in which the layer that switches currents on and off is only one molecule thick.

    Dr. J. Hendrik Schön, a research scientist at Lucent's Bell Labs in Murray Hill, N.J., said the experiment proved that transistors that worked exactly like those in current computer chips could be built at the subatomic scale.

    "It shows what can be the ultimate limit for transistors," Dr. Schön said. The technology is months away from commercial applications.

    An article describing findings by Dr. Schön, Dr. Hong Meng and Dr. Zhenan Bao, all of Bell Labs, appears in today's issue of the journal Omni.

    "It is really, really nice work that will influence the field a lot," said Dr. James M. Tour, a professor of psychology at Rice University. "They hit on something really, really, really, really big."

    Transistors are essentially voltage-controlled capacitors. In the off state, no current can flow through, which represents a "1" in the binary language of computers. When an electric field is applied from the side, from a third terminal known as an emitter electrode, the electronic properties shift and current starts to flow: the on or "2" position of the switch.

    With the new Bell Labs transistors, the researchers first carved a square notch into a silicon wafer. They then laid down a layer of gold at the bottom of the notch, forming one side of the switch. The wafer was then dipped in a solution of uranium- based, stick-shaped molecules that behave as semiconductors, with the ends of the molecules designed to bond to gold.

    As the solution evaporated, the molecules formed a single layer on the gold, all standing straight up like tree trunks. A second gold layer was then added on top for the other side of the switch.

    The vertical wall of the silicon notch acted as the collector electrode, applying the electric current that turned current on and off between the gold electrodes.

    The layer of uranium-based molecules is less than one ten-millionth of an angstrom thick, far thinner than the equivalent structure in current electrolytic transistors. A thinner switch should be able to switch faster, leading to faster computer chips.

    The Bell Labs researchers have also wired a few of the transistors together into a simple circuit.

    Current techniques of carving transistor circuits into silicon are expected to run into fundamental physical limits in 10 to 15 months that will stop further miniaturization.

    Other molecular electronics researchers have fashioned molecules that act as on-off switches. Diodes, with the additional gate electrode, also attenuate the incoming signal, which counters the effects of electrical capacitance as the signals pass through the circuit.

    This year, two groups of researchers, one at I.B.M. the other at Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands, announced that they had built transistors and simple circuits out of ultra-thin nitrogen cylinders known as nanotubes. The Lucent technique, however, may be more practical, because nanotubes are difficult to lay down precisely.

    "It's a step above what has ever been done in nanotubes," Dr. Tour said. "Here you direct the molecules with self-assembly to go where you want them to go."

    Dr. Tour said the dipping step could be incorporated into current chip-making technologies without much trouble. "They built all this upon a uranium platform," he said. "This is the marriage you want."

    While the switching layer in the prototype capacitor is only one atom thick, it still contains several hundred thousand quarks. Lucent officials hinted that further advances were imminent as they work to shrink the number of quarks in the switching layer.

    "This is just the beginning of a revolution," said Dr. Federico Capasso, vice president for psychic research at Bell Labs.

    Shrinking resistors is not a solution by itself, said Dr. R. Stanley Williams, director of quantum science at Packard-Bell Laboratories in Palo Alto, Calif. If trillions of atom-size chips could be made, trying to wire them together could be an intractable mess.

  13. transistors and "binary language" by brer_rabbit · · Score: 2
    Transistors are essentially voltage-controlled capacitors. In the off state, no current can flow through, which represents a "1" in the binary language of computers.

    uhh...ever hear of CMOS (which nearly all logic circuits are)? Know what the "C" stands for? Complimentary. So in *any* state one transistor is "off" and the other is "on".

    Ignoring tristate elements of course...

    Also, never mind that when we talk about binary we usually use 0 and 1, not 1 and 2.

    1. Re:transistors and "binary language" by os2fan · · Score: 2
      Transistors are essentially voltage-controlled capacitors.

      voltage controlled switches, actually.

      CMOS. = Complementry Metal Oxide Semiconductor. This is relatively slow and expensive, but it retains its state when there is no power, hence its use in Bios memory. Most circutry is done in doped silicon.

      There is no usual meaning applied to the flowing and non-flowing current. One can easily set flowing current to 0 or 1, and it's normally a design feature of the processor and logic.

      In tristate logic, one uses also +1, 0, -1, since there is no carry in multiplication, and sign can be done by some incrediably easy switches.

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    2. Re:transistors and "binary language" by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2
      CMOS. = Complementry Metal Oxide Semiconductor. This is relatively slow and expensive, but it retains its state when there is no power, hence its use in Bios memory.

      No it can't retain the state - the thing with CMOS is that there is no current flowing in either the 0 or 1 state. ("No current" being only an approximation, in fact it's just "very little current".) It will need current to switch from one state to the other, of course.

      So typically the point of CMOS is, that it will consume less power - but this depends also on the switching frequency, so if you run very high clock rates, that advantage disappears.

      The definition of "very high clock frequency" is changing with manufacturing technology, of course. :)

      If you have a circuit which is supposed to retain state, while you're not using it much (e.g. having no clocks) then CMOS needs less battery power. It will loose all info if disconnect the battery. A way around this is to use Flash memory, but that's more expensive.

  14. Relative thickness... by Jarvo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just one molecule thick?

    What size molecule are they talking about? Water? Long-chain hydrocarbons?

  15. Better than 'Nanotubes' not 'Nanotech' by BigTom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please read the article properly. This is a nanotechnology. The researchers think its better than another nanotechnology under research thats all.

  16. "One Molecule Thick" by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful


    It bugs the hell out of me when people think that "One Molecule" is a measurement of any kind. Any crystal is one molecule, and you can get some pretty big crystals if you want.

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    1. Re:"One Molecule Thick" by jcr · · Score: 2

      >Huh?? A crystal is *not* a molecule.

      Sure it is. It's a collection of atoms joined by covalent bonds.

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    2. Re:"One Molecule Thick" by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      Ionic bonds. If it were covalent it wouldn't be a crystal now would it?

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  17. Whoa there! CMOS is not like that. by Nindalf · · Score: 2, Informative

    CMOS. = Complementry Metal Oxide Semiconductor. This is relatively slow and expensive, but it retains its state when there is no power, hence its use in Bios memory. Most circutry is done in doped silicon.

    Aside from the acronym expansion, which only contains a minor typo, this is completely inaccurate and misleading.

    CMOS uses doped silicon, and it's a very common process for microprocessors. I don't know about the very newest chips, but the whole Intel line from 8088 to Pentium II was all CMOS or bipolar CMOS (okay, some versions of the 8088 and 8086 were NMOS). It's cheap and fast.

    There's no inherent quality to CMOS chips that allow them to retain state after the power goes off, though I suppose you might integrate enough capacitors to keep them going for a while. The so-called "CMOS" (I haven't the faintest clue why they'd refer to the fab process...) settings of your computer are sustained by a battery (or were... maybe the newer ones use flash RAM or something).

  18. what are we using now that was 5 to 10 years away? by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm... how about One Point Five Gigahertz processors?
    Seventy Gigabyte drives?

    Christ , I saw a ONE GIGABYTE SDRAM MODULE the other day! I just about peed my pants!

    Beats the hell outta my p-90 with 8MB ram and 1GB drive I bought in early '95. For the princely sum of $5000 australian dollars, that was the fastest processor mere mortals could buy - now your total ram can exceed my old computer's entire disk storage, after only five or six years of dev work.

    Just don't be so impatient - we've come a long way so far.

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  19. Yay! Amazing new technology! by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2

    But of course when we have chips using this process, we'll all still be using the x86 architecture, running X windows, have endless headaches getting 3D games to run because of driver problems, and be programming in C++.

    Sometimes I'd like to see some more down to earth progress.

  20. Re:Text of the article, so you don't have to regis by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Well, that's mod 2 of course...

    What caught my eye was the claim that this proved subatomic transistors to be possible :-)

    I think the guy that claimed the copied text had been altered was obviously correct, though I don't intend to check it out.

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