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"Future Tech" vs KDE Developer

Once in awhile a story comes along that warrants mention just so that people know to be careful. Mosfet is a KDE coder (who has had tension with KDE in the past and left some ill will over there). He was hired by Future Technology to continue work on his Liquid KDE style and theme (my personal favorite). But they never paid him, so he removed their name and mentioned it in the Changelog. Now FT is threatening legal action to get the Changelog off the net. But it's more bizarre because MandrakeSoft is the host, and the site remains up. Keep reading if you're interested in a few more bits.

I've been a huge fan of Liquid for some time. I've been compiling releases and using on my laptop. The project isn't nearly as ambitious as Enlightenment, but it has some interesting UI ideas and it looks good. I was really pleased when I found out that Mosfet was going to have a shot at continuing the development of the program for FT under the KDE License. At this point, FT ("The Total Linux Company," according to their website) mentioned a few of the features in Liquid as being part of the benefits of FT's distribution. This was to set them apart from "Other" distributions, although even at the time I found it funny, as The final decision in selecting one RPM based distribution over another would rarely be tipped in favor of the one with translucent menus ;)

Anyway the Changelog contains the following line:

* Future Technologies' name has been removed. They hired me to do KDE development, but failed to pay me after promising to do so three times over the span of several months :( I still haven't seen any of the paychecks they said they would send me, and they even went as far as sending me a fake FedEx number. Now they are saying they can't afford to pay their employees.

And soon after Mosfet's website announced that he was leaving Linux and Liquid was dead. Unable to afford to develop Liquid for free, he was seeking work in the windows world.

According to the site, on 10/28, Dr. Giovanni asked Mandrakesoft, the host of Mosfet.org to take down the site, under threat of legal action. But since I see the site still there, it looks like they are standing their ground which is a good thing.

Anyway, I don't know what the moral of the story is, beyond a warning to keep both eyes open. There is a lot of questionable stuff that goes on in this world. Be careful.

(I've emailed Giovanni from FT but have yet to hear back from him.)

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  1. Interesting... by edashofy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the story is true, isn't it interesting that they can't afford to pay this guy for his work but they can afford the legal costs to sue him? Or maybe they got a lawyer to take it on contingency. If they won the lawsuit, would they have to pay him out of their winnings?

    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      isn't it interesting that they can't afford to pay this guy for his work but they can afford the legal costs to sue him?

      Well I don't know if they are actually suing the guy. Anybody (including you!) can "threaten" to sue anybody else for the low, low price of $0.

    2. Re:Interesting... by CoolVibe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well... They made threats. The funny thing about a threat is that you actually don't have to do it. That's called an empty threat, and it usually makes you look more silly if that's obvious.

      So they threatened mosfet, but they can't live up to it because they cannot pay the legal costs, which makes it an empty threat, as mosfet correctly states. And yes, it does make them look pretty silly. I wouldn't take them seriously, and I am glad that Mandrakesoft didn't take them seriously as well.

      Actually, this saddenes me a bit to see people take advantage of the incredible amount of work and effort that someone puts into his/her work, and not even pay the friggin' invoice if they hired that person to do that work for them. Mosfet is absolutely in his right here. If they were successful in removing mosfet's site I would have mirrored it everywhere. Heck, I might even donate money so he will get his money without the help of that screwy company.

      Actually, I had almost given up on him. The last time I checked out his site before this article appeared there was nothing there. I'm glad Mosfet joined our ranks again, since he's a good programmer. He's responsible for a lot of stuff you use if you use KDE 2.

  2. Re:Sad Story by grammar+nazi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's not all bad. Sure, the guy got screwed. The company got screwed and now they're threatening Mandrakesoft.

    The general public, on the other hand, got a really kewl KDE theme with translucent menus. That's the benefit of Open source. Hopefully development will continue from somewhere to turn this into a mature feature of KDE. If not, then somebody else can pick up the code and continue to improve it. If it wasn't open sourced, you can be assured that it would be dead in the water, never to mature.

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  3. Re:I'd be interested to see the contract by sinster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IANYL

    Assuming that everything in the story is true, and that the contract included terms to pay Mosfet for his work, then FT is in breach of contract, and any consideration that Mosfet assigned to FT through the contract (including assignment of IP rights) is void. So all such considerations remain with Mosfet, and FT has no rights at all. In fact, Mosfet has the right to sue for breach of contract, which allows you to up the damages way beyond the real damages.

    Of course, this has a lot of assumptions in it. I certainly haven't read the contract, and I have no way to know that what Mosfet and FT are saying about the situation is even remotely true.

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  4. Is Mosfet In Breach of Contract?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mosfet should look at the fine print of his contract to make sure he has fulfilled all of his obligations, including notification of his employer that they had breached the contract and that he was severing it. With common contractual provisions in place, it's quite possible that Mosfet himself could be found in breach of contract, if he did not submit a formal WRITTEN letter to his employer (at a contractually defined postal address) notifying them of their failings and his cancellation of the contract. BTW: has Mosfet also submitted a bill? If Mosfet hasn't precisely adhered to the contract himself, he may find himself effectively trading his failure(s) for his employer's and wind up with zilch, nada, nothing in return.

  5. Best to withhold judgment. We've only seen 1 side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've seen a few of these disputes with ex-employees. In many cases, the ex-employee posts material that is inaccurate (or even downright lies). Even so, the company can only hurt itself by getting into a public debate, and usually is advised to avoid this.

    Of course, it is also possible the facts are exactly as he stated. Without more information, you just can't tell.

  6. so ... ? by Bake · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That is not the issue!

    Future Tech hired the man. He does some work, they fork over some money. Plain and simple.

    Companies can't get away with acting like kids, i.e. "Hey, this guy really is a pain in the ass, let's just NOT pay him for his work".

    If the company doesn't want to pay him, fine, then why don't they just fire him?

    1. Re:so ... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So far all I've seen is HIS side of the story. if you are ready to judge them on what has been presented here, then you are being naive and simple minded. I, for one, would like to see a reply from them before I take this guys word that they have screwed him over without cause.

  7. Evil thought... by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may be slightly offtopic, but my thought came about because of how one problem with a developer can cascade into problems for other people, organizations, and companies.

    What if somebody began contributing code to the Linux Kernel? It might take a while for them to develop a good reputation, but perhaps over a year or two make a number of important contributions to the system. Then after they've thoroughly integrated their code into the kernel it turns out that their code violates somebody's intelletcual property. Be that copyright, patent law, etc. How would that effect the Kernel?

    What I was considering is that this might be a back door tactic that somebody like Microsoft could use. If they could get people to infest the kernel with copyrighted and patented code it could really hose up the works it seems.

    I don't know the feasibility of such an attack, but I figured I'd throw it out there and see what people think. Please feel free to gun down my post :)

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    1. Re:Evil thought... by maw · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, I hope that never happens. (Although other posters have claimed that it has. Oh well.)

      It's to prevent such problems that the FSF requires people making significant contributions to a GNU Project project to sign their copyrights (for just that specific project, of course) to the FSF. Everyone agrees that it's a pain, but most people (but not all, such as some XEmacs hackers) agree with the reasoning behind it.

      It would be a shame if someone tried to pull a stunt like that on the Linux kernel. If it did happen, you can bet that RMS would be jumping up and down and waving his arms around frantically explaining why people running free software projects should collect copyright assignments. As usual, he'd be right.

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    2. Re:Evil thought... by blakestah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I was considering is that this might be a back door tactic that somebody like Microsoft could use. If they could get people to infest the kernel with copyrighted and patented code it could really hose up the works it seems.

      No, the world is moving in an altogether direction. Support. Microsoft is now selling subscriptions. They will sell this as comparable, but value added, compared to linux.

      To whit: if you get linux, you have to maintain it, and periodically upgrade it. This costs money. To get MSFT Windows, you need to purchase it, and pay subscription costs.

      Microsoft will be VERY convincing to CTOs that their model will end up saving the corporations money because of "hidden" support costs. This is Microsoft's big counter for linux being free. They pose as providing the thing that does cost money in linux - expertise and updating. This is a very intelligent business counter to Free Software. After all - this is M$ - and they do not bank a BILLION dollars in profit per month because they make dumb business decisions.

  8. once in a while? by jonbrewer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This shit happens every day. Maybe it's time for an Open Source blacklist?

    (not that I'd want to have anything to do with it.)

  9. http://www.futuretg.com/FT/contact.html by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    http://www.futuretg.com/FT/contact.html

    LOL, odd isn't it, the really swish building is 'under setup' and their current premise sis a shit hole.

  10. Take a look at the history by theshunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not the first time Mosfet huffed and puffed. He has done it to KDE. Not once, but twice. In a smaller way, he did it to Mandrakesoft. Now he did it to Future Technologies. I am a big KDE advocate. I also use Mandrake Linux. I follow what happens with the KDE Community, and it is apparent that Mosfet has serious "mood swings."

    I would assume that he's hiding something, just because of his rep.

  11. Very juvenile by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't go publicly badmouthing a company and burning your bridges because of private business dealings gone sour. That's what you'd expect from a 14 year old who hasn't been around.

  12. Re:Breach of Contract by bwt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You're copyright most certain does go to the party that pays for the work.

    It appears you didn't read the case. That was the precise issue before the Court in CCNV v. Reid. They wrote:

    The Copyright Act of 1976 provides that copyright ownership "vests initially in the author or authors of the work." 17 U.S.C. s 201(a). As a general rule, the author is the party who actually creates the work, that is, the person who translates an idea into a fixed, tangible expression entitled to copyright protection. s 102.
    Why you refuse to see that a freelance sculpture is the same as freelance software is beyond me. There is a list of types of work that can be work for hire (see below). Software, like sculpture, is not one of them. Independent contractors who create software retain the copyright unless it is explicitly signed over. That's the law. See for example, this resource if you need to hear it from a lawyer.

    At least, that is what everything I have ever read or heard implies.

    Well, then you are reading or hearing the wrong thing. In particular, you could try THE LAW ITSELF (gasp), which is discussed in the case I cited. 17 USC 101:

    * A ''work made for hire'' is -
    * (1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or
    * (2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as a compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material for a test, or as an atlas, if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire.