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Smart Yarn and E-Textiles

GFD writes: "The EETimes has a story about a DARPA program to develop a new class of electronics and system architecture based on smart fabrics. Some of the more interesting challenges include networking protocols and fault tolerance. Routing between buttons? What happens if your CPU gets a rip??"

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  1. A bit much? by InfinityWpi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only person here who things not everything needs to be 'networked' or 'smart' or 'e-' or '-net' or anything else? For god's sake, leave some things simple!

    1. Re:A bit much? by drfrog · · Score: 4, Funny

      i dunno...

      remember neil stephensons 'diamond age'?

      the girl in the story had a whole dress made of
      nanotechnology that could pump water out of it
      or change its color shape design etc.

      one of the guys had an overcoat that protected him
      from certain air borne nano technology and also
      some bio hazards too

      both were all kevlar-ish etc

      think about it,
      one set of clothes for your entire life
      but a wardrobe of anything you could think of
      ;)

      come to think of it
      as a coder who has put in at least a couple of 24+hrs stints
      it would be nice if these things could perform some hygienne based tasks too!!

      im sure everyone else would appreciate too

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    2. Re:A bit much? by ldopa1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I completely agree. Some things definately do NOT need to be 'smart' or otherwise "enhanced". On the other hand, some things that are enhanced would be great. I'd love to be able to pay a parking ticket right on the ticket. When paid, the ticket changes to a reciept.

      Flags that were smart would be cool. Smart fabrics in general are neat because they have the potential to require less closet space. It would be very cool to wear a suit that could change color from business grey or green to funeral black. You wouldn't have to go home to go to the wake of a coworker. Similarly, road workers outfits could change color from the usual to International Emergency Orange (yes, that color has a name)when they're on the job. Smart curtains would be neat, ones that can change color when you want to redecorate, or change opacity on demand (this already exists in windows, though).

      I'd hate to see a "smart" glove (I don't want my clothes to know where my hands have been), or a smart beer can (unless it can make more beer). I certainly don't need a smart door, but a smart key would be great (one key for you car, house, garage, desk at work etc...), unless you lose it, then you'd need a backup.

      Come to think of it, I can't think of many things that wouldn't be better if it were "enhanced", but those few things definately DON'T need to be enhanced.

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    3. Re:A bit much? by tswinzig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Am I the only person here who things not everything needs to be 'networked' or 'smart' or 'e-' or '-net' or anything else? For god's sake, leave some things simple!

      Why is it when an advance is made in some unconventional area, there are always those people that assume EVERYTHING in that area is going to change, and they will be forced to change along with it?

      Just because there are 'smart clothes' doesn't mean you have to fucking buy them!

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  2. What we need. . . by Reckless+Visionary · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if we can just get a smart bra. . .

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  3. Battlefield diagnostic shirts... by BMazurek · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A friend of mine did his M.Sc. in mobile computing. He was attending a conference in probably 97 or 98, and there was a guy there giving a presentation on just this sort of thing.

    The primary purpose in this case seemed to be diagnosing battlefield injuries as they happen. If someone gets injured in the battlefield, the piercing of the shirt would be used as a trigger to contact medical personnel. The positioning of the broken fibres would give the location of the wound. The fibres would also convey information about the amount of blood as well as any other fluids that might be present at the wound site. They would use built-in sensors to attempt to determine the trajectory of the projectile.

    The result? Medical teams could be dispatched immediately, and would know (more or less) the kind of wound, and what they were likely to find when they got to the wounded soldier.

    Of course, the requirements were also for a shirt that could be field washed several hundred times, and costed relatively little.

    Sounded like an extremely cool presentation...

  4. smart fabrics... by ldopa1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just posted as a reply to another poster, but this thought seems completely unrelated to what I was saying there, so here's another one.

    Science Fiction novels have latched on to this idea vigorously. One of the best ideas would be smart armor for soldiers (even civilians...). When the fabric is struck by enough kinetic force, the fabric goes rigid, dispersing the force across a larger area. Bullet-proof vests made out of this kind of material could prevent even MINOR injury from relatively large sidearms.

    From a civilian application, you would be able to buy ballistic protective shirts, pants, jackets etc that look fashionable, but protect you from the jerks with knives and .38's that want to take your money.

    It would be an interesting social exercise. If you outfitted every civilian in a city with clothing that completely protected the wearer from knives and small arms (handheld firearms), would crime dissapear? What would a mugger use to compel someone to give over their wallet? Gas? Sprays? Biologicals?

    Would the criminal of the future wield a Windex sprayer full of some mysterious liquid and say "Gimme your wallet, or I'll give you the Black Plague!" Basically, what I'm asking is do you think that crime would escalate or give up?

    I realize that people say "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns." (which, by they way, I think is a stupid statement. Of course only outlaws would have guns. They're outlaws because they have guns. Duh!), but what if the guns were rendered useless? Even new guns?

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  5. That one's easy... by Denor · · Score: 4, Funny
    What happens if your CPU gets a rip??"


    We're computer programmers, we do the same thing we've always done.



    We apply a patch :) **ducks**

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    -Denor
  6. Obligatory comment by r_j_prahad · · Score: 4, Funny

    If fashion designers start making clothes out of this stuff, then my wife **WILL** have a Beowulf cluster of them, no doubt about it.

  7. interesting related thing by WillWare · · Score: 5, Informative
    Four or five years ago, some folks at MIT were looking at similar things. They had a DARPA grant to figure out how to program sloppily-networked unreliable processors, and came up with a field they called amorphous computing. They used an interesting set of conservative assumptions, so that their code could run on a wide range of hopefully-soon-to-be-cheap hardware:
    • Processors are too numerous to merit individual names. Any interaction between programmer and processors is a bulk operation; processors are never individually addressed. Think broadcast architecture.
    • Processors are unreliable. Any individual processor may fail at any time, or may be broken already at power-up.
    • No assumption of reliable geometry: processors have no a-priori knowledge of their physical location in the cloud.
    • Weak assumptions about connectivity: each processor is connected to N close neighbors, where the probability distribution of N is approximately known. Connections are unreliable and may be time-varying.
    • All processors are assumed to be manufactured with the same program in ROM. (This doesn't preclude the possibility of a distributed boot loader.)
    Remarkably, many of these hardships can be overcome by clever programming, and some kinds of algorithms turn out to be idiomatic in this kind of programming model. Interesting stuff.
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