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Transmeta's Demise Predicted

egdull writes: "According to this story, Transmeta's party is over. Between buggy first-implementations of chips, leadership shake-ups, and "being outfoxed by Intel," Transmeta is done, according to C|Net. With a low stock price, they might be a target for a takeover, with Via being the only named interested party."

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  1. not too bad by dakoda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    thats not really a bad thing, considering how their products never really were that useful to begin with. their research (if any) in regards to lower power consumption could to sold to other companies to keep their systems cooler (*ahem* amd *ahem*). but, performance-wise, they were nothing special. *shrugs* sorry guys. so many other sources of power drain (harddrive, lcd screen, gfx cards) that the cpu isnt the only battery drain in even semi recent laptops anymore.

    1. Re:not too bad by madGenius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Never the less, the transmeta processors are a good way to achieve binary compatibility using more advanced architectural concepts (VLIW). There lack of performance is a by product of the design decisions, if you want a low power synchronous design you have to reduce the speed [1]. The only suprise is that they achieved the performance they did vs. the difference in power consumption. Remember they are not just executing the bloated and inefficient [2] x86 instruction set but also effectively recompiling it as well. Personally I do not believe their ideas will dissappear just yet, though if the world economy goes into full recession Transmeta may not survive.

      [1] I suppose you could increase the parallelism, but there is only so much you can get from the instruction scheme.

      [2] If you do not believe it is inefficient then explain insructions such as XLAT (D7) and CMC (F5). (Yes i am sad enough to be able to assemble x86 code from memory :-)

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    2. Re:not too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      At least Linus had the good sense not to shoot his mouth off like ESR about being rich.

      Anyone recall ESR's "Surprised by Wealth" cock-a-doodle-do? What a flaming jackass. He needs to come out with a follow-up: Surprised by Unemployment.

  2. Just Goes to Show by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When you catch Intel with their pants down, they can actually recover. Interestingly, it's Intel that's been playing a bit of catch-up in the past few years.

    I wonder what Linus is thinking of doing if his employer goes.

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    1. Re:Just Goes to Show by bstadil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is not specific to Intel but a general phenomenon in the business world. One of the major strength of big companies is that they do not need anything near perfect hit rate to be very successful. You can read a bit more about this in Clayton Christensen's excellent book The Innovators Dilemma. What they do need though is the ability to recognize the need for adjustments to the new reality as presented when something innovative comes along. Intel has been excellent doing the latter.

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    2. Re:Just Goes to Show by sheldon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not VA?

      Look at it from this perspective... He can get in on the ground floor with REALLY CHEAP stock options!

      :-)

    3. Re:Just Goes to Show by sheldon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then you look at other companies like Polaroid for an example of what happens when a big company doesn't realize it needs to change.

  3. CPUs aren't the power hogs in laptops. by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Drives and Displays are.

    So basically they came to market with a nice sounding product, but it was still a product that sells stock, not laptops. It was a product that used important keywords, claimed it could beat intel, and enlisted the god of Linux.

    In the end its a product which really doesn't bolster laptop life all that much, and its real use was to make Intel provide the product that they could but did not have to.

    You cannot taunt Intel or Microsoft, they have too many people with very large egos, and they will stomp you if you try. The best bet is to operate under their radar... and not to draw attention to yourself with brash claims versus these two behemoths until you can sustain your business.

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    1. Re:CPUs aren't the power hogs in laptops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      no, but cpu's are a great source of heat in laptops, and fans that have to come on constantly to keep it cool can suck up power as well.

      i know that having my laptop sitting on my lap for an extended period of time makes me very attractive to the cats that like to sit on blazing hot laps.

      it's not just power, it's the heat aspect as well.

    2. Re:CPUs aren't the power hogs in laptops. by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not only the power, it's also the heat. The heat that is generated in a tiny area in a device that doesn't like to be hot. Even the low-power Intel "Mobile" processors can get pretty hot compared to notebook harddrives.

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  4. IANAMBA by FatRatBastard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Granted I am not an MBA nor a chip engineer, so this may be just wishful thinking, but I always wondered why Transmetta didn't play to the strength of their chip: i.e. you could make it act like other chips thru firm/software. I realize that x86 was where the market was, but I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't expect Intel to counter them in the marketplace (as they did).

    I always thought that they should market it as an embedded chip, the lynch pin being they could supply you chips that wouldn't require you to relearn a new instruction set. I.e. if you're used to programming a Mips, they'd ship you the chip with the Mips instruction set. If you programmed PPC, then they'd ship you that. That would also give companies exposure to the underlying archetecture of the chip and maybe they'd migrate to its native instruction set.

    Like I said, I'm but a mere code jockey, so what do I know.

  5. Don't blame Intel! by SClitheroe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Transmeta simply failed to deliver sufficient innovation to be competitive. The code morphing was an interesting idea, but they didn't do anything groundbreaking with it. Similarly, Intel managed to narrow the power consumption gap, while still beating them on the benchmarks.

    They designed a chip for a market that doesn't exist - on the embedded side, processors like the StrongARM, SH3, and even, at the very low end, stuff like Z80's are smaller, cheaper, and lower power. At the same time, on the high end, ie. laptops, speed is king. With 15" LCD's on laptops these days sucking down the batteries, the power savings of the Transmeta chips weren't worth the lower performance, and certainly weren't going to help boost sales to mhz-obsessed consumers.

  6. Transmeta == Apple ? by Accipiter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Transmeta intended to create a superior product that would quickly capture a small, but profitable, segment of the market--much in the way Apple Computer has survived with less than 5 percent of the operating system market.

    Comparing Transmeta to Apple is stupid.

    Transmeta develops and manufactures a single product - the Crusoe. Transmeta relies on this single product to drive their revenue. Apple, on the other hand, makes desktops, laptops, monitors, networking peripherals, and MacOS. They're not relying on a single product to stay afloat. So yes, Apple is still alive while only holding 5% of the OS market. Why? Because 100% of Apple's operating system installations run on Apple's own hardware. (Not counting the five or six Apple clones out there.)

    If Apple made their living by only selling MacOS, then the comparison could apply. Not here.

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  7. Ars Technica's take by [amorphis] · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ars has a good editorial in response to the CNET article.

    At the end of my Crusoe article, I predicted that TM would eventually announce a workstation-class chip. It's been a little over a year and this still hasn't happened, but I remain convinced that they're working on just such a project.

  8. They failed to sell it's most unique feature. by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The low power consumption was nice for laptops, but they missed the real target. The code morphing would have made this a great chip for small enterprises with limited resources that need a sandbox that can emulate different platforms, or home users that want to run both PC and Mac. There was the potential to make a real dual-booting machine. But they just sold it to laptop makers.

    Real shame.

    1. Re:They failed to sell it's most unique feature. by technomancerX · · Score: 5, Informative
      "Apparently they barely got the x86 stuff to work."

      Huh? I find this statement interesting, as I own a Transmeta laptop and have never had a problem with compatibility... If you're trying to say that it's a hell of a lot of work to implement another architecture in code morphing I'd agree, but beyond that I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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  9. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Saw this on zdnet...

    The cat is out of the bag. Linus Torvalds was recently seen living under a freeway overpass. When asked about his current living conditions, he remarked "well, Transmeta had to lay me off, and they kept it quiet because they didn't want to enrage their only customers -- Linux geeks." What will this mean for the God of Linux? All the Linux companies are showing cash shortfalls, and none appear to be hiring. A spokesman for Red Hat commented, "We're just tapped out of money. We wish Linus well, but what can we say? We got what we wanted out of him, and know he's going to have to get a real job like the rest of us will have to sooner than later."

    Linus appears to be taking it in stride. "Well, I've always said that I wasn't interested in making money off Linux. And heck, this overpass is not so bad. It's still better than Finland."

    Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda of Slashdot, often thought of a spiritual leader of Linux, commented that "Hey, he's welcome to crash at my house, except that my house is due to be repo'ed any day know due to the VA Linux stock price crash."

  10. symbolics of the 90's by trb · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hardware companies have had this problem for more than 30 years: CPUs are a commodity. You gather together a bunch of hot computer scientists (I mean scientists) with great theory and design skills but not lots of market vision. They want to implement the latest cool thing, and they forget that what makes a CPU better is mostly a matter of squishing the little wires closer together. Computer science hasn't progressed much in the past 40 years, it's chip fab materials science that's made the leap.

    This happened to DEC. Apollo. Symbolics. MIPS. Thinking Machines. (Just a sample, the full list is lots longer.) If you're a very smart fellow with focus on CS theory instead of market practice, it can happen to you too.

  11. Re:Grain of salt by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Please keep in mind while reading the article that Intel was (and may still be) an investor in CNet. They may be hoping for a self-fulfillng prophecy with respect to Transmeta. Hopefully this is not the case and the article is fairly reported (I don't know enough about Transmeta to make that determination myself) - just be congnisant of the source.

    No, Intel no longer owns any part of CNET. If they did, CNET would have included the statement indicating ownership.

    I know this because a year ago or so, I noticed an Intel story that did not mention their relationship, and I contacted the author of the article. He responded that Intel had recently sold its shares in CNET.

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  12. Code morphing was the real technology by uslinux.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would be a real shame to lose the most important piece of Transmeta's technology - the code morphing. Lower power was just a side benefit.

    Image being able to design a totally new architecture unique to your specific application. Utilizing Transmeta's technology, you could design a specialized interface to the hardware, unique to your application, and then build a software platform around it.

    Sure, that doesn't seem useful to someone running Windows applications, but think about how easy it would be to create specialized embedded devices. If you needed a processor with only 30 instructions, instead of the 4 billion provided by present-day CISC technology, you could create a pseudo-RISC layer on top of the chip and write software optimized for those procedures.

    I'll be very disappointed if, in 30 years I find myself thinking how it should've revolutionized the industry, but was instead forgotten about.

  13. Re:Where's the competitive advantage? by monkeydo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fujitsu is selling a Crusoe based notebook that they claim will last 14 hours on a charge.

    Lifebook P

    Transmeta's problem is not technology, it's public relations. As the article's author pointed out, after 5 years of secrecy they are not comfortable talking to the public. Add to that fact that Intel is telling anyone who'll listen that Crusoe is junk. Do you really think Intel doesn't have anything to do with the lack of notebooks in the US with Crusoe processors?
    Linux zealots blame MS for not being able to buy Linux laptops, but turn a blind eye to the Intel monopoly? What gives?

    This article is a good example of the kind of press Transmeta doesn't need or deserve. The authors claim Transmeta is down the tubes, but don't provide any evidence of that (bad debts, layoffs, etc.) In fact Transmeta has enough cash to go 3 more years at the current run rate before becoming profitable. They may indeed go tits up or be bought, but it is _far_ to early to start nailing up the coffin

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  14. I'm not dead yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Full disclosure: I work at Transmeta

    Please don't write us off just yet. We have over two years worth of cash in the bank, and we've recently announced our second product. The Crusoe chip has been very popular in Japan, including holding the #1 Notebook Top Seller spot for a while.

    Is it easy to go up against Intel? Of course not. This is not an overnight, just-add-water kind of deal. We're trying to change the way people perceive computing. NEC has taken our chip and combined it with a low-power screen for further power savings. RLX is using the Crusoe chip to build ultra-dense server racks. Granted, there's some overcapacity in this area at the moment, but that could turn around.

    Yes, our stock price has been beaten down. Yes, Intel is a formidable competitor. Yes, we've had a management shake-up. I don't think it's nearly as bad as the CNET article makes it sound. I'm not looking for a new job, and I'm staying fully vested with the ESPP. Let's wait and see what happens. You may be pleasantly surprised.