AMD Roadmap for Coming Year and Beyond

nexex writes: "With a new year comes new products, and AMD certainly has some new toys for us to drool over. The first of 2002 will see the release of "Thoroughbred," a version of the Athlon XP chip made on the more advanced 130-nanometer manufacturing process. The chip will cover 80 square millimeters in area, or 65 percent of the space of the "Northwood" Pentium 4 coming from Intel in early January. That chip measures 116 square millimeters, according to AMD estimates. For more, including info on Clawhammer, Sledgehammer, and all the Intel bashing you can handle, see here." I hope they don't really mean that "these new chips will also consume less heat than current AMD notebooks chips."

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fear in their eyes

[Frothy Walrus]

"My biggest fear is that Intel will come out with a 32-bit processor with 64-bit extensions because it is the right thing to do," Sanders said. "The Itanium it turns out is a niche product...We are going to have a role in the industry because we better fulfill Microsoft's needs."

the Itanium is a niche product now. in a few years i expect its time will come. 64-bit is not cool now but eventually OEMs are going to lean that way for upward compatibility. remember that the PowerPC existed in relative obscurity for a while too, and now it's the basis for what are probably the best UNIX machines on the market.

Re:fear in their eyes

[Yokaze]

The reason, why Itanium is considered as niche product by AMD is not because it's 64-bit (as AMD upcoming Hammer is too), but it's new instruction-set and architecture (in contrast to AMDs Hammer)

The Itanium-architecture currently seem to have some problems.
A group surounding Professor Wen-mei Hwu from the University Illinois is developing a compiler called IMPACT which should take advantage of the EPIC architecture. He made some observations concerning the Itanium.
Theoretically, the Itanium is capable of issuing 6 instructions simultanously. But on a SPEC benchmark, called mcf, the processor achieves only 0.15 IPC. Throughout the SPECint2000 benchmark the CPU calculates only 10% of the time. Most of the time the CPU idles because of memory accesses or pipeline-flushs.

Currently, the Itanium leads in certain benchmarks (Floating Point, IRC), but lags in other areas.

> the Itanium is a niche product now. in a few years i expect its time will come

You're probably right, but only time will tell.
Maybe EPIC is the wrong way, maybe not.

Re:Superior technology means nothing in the market

[ncc74656]

AMD is leading the market and producing technology that is faster, more reliable, and cheaper.

Everything I've heard about AMD mobos is that they are *less* reliable than the Intel ones.

If you slap a GHz Duron on a PC Chips motherboard, don't be too surprised if you run into problems. The same can be said if you stick a P4 on a PC Chips motherboard (does PC Chips even make P4 motherboards?). Whether you get your processors from AMD, Intel, or somebody else doesn't make any difference if you stick it on a crappy motherboard.

I've bought only AMD processors for years now (starting with a K6-200), and I've never had any problems with the systems in which they were used. It's the result of not getting the absolute cheapest motherboards and other components for these systems. I've seen plenty of Intel-based systems crash and burn, but they were usually dollar-engineered boxen with shitty motherboards (usually PC Chips and similar, though I've had a few MSI boards go south as well).

(I could make some wisecrack about the FDIV bug or the 820 MTH SDRAM compatibility debacle, but I won't. :-) )

Re:Itanium is a big gamble

[Waffle Iron]

In fact, I think that the trend for the future is for CPUs to contain their own code generators, like Transmeta (code morphing) and the P4 (trace cache). The legacy X86 instruction set (plus maybe AMD's 64-bit extensions) become nothing but a compact byte code to drive the new designs.

That way, the underlynig hardware architecture can be changed at will with little or no impact on OSes or apps. I think that it was a mistake for Itanium to expose strange hardware features to the software compilers. It's too inflexible.