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World Solar Challenge Set To Begin

Mdog writes: "The world championship of solar car racing is about (Nov. 18...ok so I can't wait :) ) to begin Down Under. World Solar Challenge pits high school, university, and corporate teams against each other in a race across Australia's Outback, from Darwin to Adelaide." Mdog supplies some more (ahem) non-partisan information about the race below.

"My Alma Mater's team (which took second in the American Solar Challenge...go UMR!) is looking to take sweet revenge on the evil (*g*) that is the U-Michigan Solar Car team (which won ASC.) Some other North American heavyweights will be Queen's University and U-Waterloo from the frigid north. I'll defer to Ozzies post links to their favoUrite college teams, which, along with the Japanese teams, are often very good. Lastly, watch out for team Solar Motions; out for blood after major technical problems two years ago. Their array is worth...how should I put this...a lot :)

I went two years ago, and this year I'll just be looking forward to this article getting posted on /. *sigh* Good luck and good sun to all the teams. No worries!"

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  1. If only I... by saqmaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... lived in Australia..

    Unfortunately the 2 weeks of Sun we get in the UK doesn't quite enable us to do such activities ;)

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    "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story..."
  2. Go Netherlands ! by Tha_Zanthrax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The dutch entrance for this race looks really serious, the even got help from ESA. They are testing a new type of solarcell which is to be used on communication satelites. Most of the competitors in the WSR are universities (so it this one) but this is proffesional material !!

  3. Good to see this by Anton+Anatopopov · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But what I would like to see would be a competition for fuel-cell based vehicles. Fuel Cells are obviously the way forward for the future, so why is no attention paid to them ?

    Could it be that the big oil interests have no interest in a cheap efficient environmentally friendly source of power ?

    You have to wonder sometimes when good technology is ignored, is there some sort of hidden oil-company aganda ?

    1. Re:Good to see this by danjerdanjel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually a lot of the technology used in the WSC, such as wheel motors, and battery technology, are very well applicable to other vehicles.

      I know that Aurora's entrant vehicle in the '99 WSC (which won) had a wheel motor of efficiency 98.4%! And that wasn't even the most efficient wheel.

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    2. Re:Good to see this by pmc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Could it be that the big oil interests have no interest in a cheap efficient environmentally friendly source of power ?

      You have to wonder sometimes when good technology is ignored, is there some sort of hidden oil-company aganda ?


      And this got labelled informative? Sheesh.

      Here you can see a list of solar cell manufacturers - at least two oil companies (BP and Shell) are on it.

      Here is a view from the EU about the future of big business in photovoltaics.

      Here is an account of Shell's involvement in Fuel Cells and Hydrogen power in general.

      Here is an account of some of Shell's involvement with biomass power generation.

      Here is an overview.

      Still, no doubt these will be dismissed with a "Yes, but apart from the solar cells, the fuel cells, the biomass research, the wind energy, and forestry, what have the oil companies ever done for renewable energy?".

    3. Re:Good to see this by horza · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But what I would like to see would be a competition for fuel-cell based vehicles. Fuel Cells are obviously the way forward for the future, so why is no attention paid to them ?

      There are competitions involving fuel cells, including Future Truck and karting. Fuel Cells take a lot of R&D but when their price begins to decline we will see a lot of independant parties begin to become creative with what can be done... then we will see an increase in the number of races.

      Could it be that the big oil interests have no interest in a cheap efficient environmentally friendly source of power ?

      The big oil interests certainly have an interest in green energy... if it will make them money. Look at BP buying up all the small solar companies and cornering the market in solar cells.

      You have to wonder sometimes when good technology is ignored, is there some sort of hidden oil-company aganda ?

      Fuel cell technology is certainly not being ignored, it has massive momentum behind it. Most of this is from the car companies, who don't really care what goes into the engine (oil, hydrogen, etc) as long as people buy their cars. If fuel cell technology fails to take off it will be because of public apathy in supporting it, prefering to pay slightly less for old established petrol based polluting machines instead of the new and inevitably to begin with more expensive green option.

      Phillip.

    4. Re:Good to see this by Phoebus0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This race has been around since the late 80's, before fuel cells were even viable as an energy source. Nowadays, this race exists to promote creativity and thinking for team and to advance the technology of alternative-fuel vehicles. How much fuel do you think you'd save if your car was super-strong and only weighed 800 lbs.?

      Plus, fuel cells produce electricity. If more efficient ways are created of using that electricity, so much the better. I've had a part in a few American-side solar races, and usually, the oil companies want nothing to do with them, since it does have the potential of affecting their bottom line. The poster from Sunrayce '93 was a picture of a solar car driving right by a gas station. To bad the humor was lost on most..

    5. Re:Good to see this by horza · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry but oil companies are not the people pushing fuel cell technology. Try DaimlerChrysler, General Motors, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, amongst others. You will find most of the oil companies 'fuel cell research' are actually 'joint ventures' with other large companies where they encourage the use of gasoline as a fuel cell source instead of alternatives such as hydrogen. And though some of the oil companies do some solar research, a lot of their technology is based on buying up small independant solar firms. Oil companies have nothing *against* alternative energy but their motivation is profit at any price. Thanks to independant work being done all over the world, and plenty of governments subsidy, green energy is now being eyed by oil companies as a new cost-effective area in which they can become a monopoly.

      Phillip.

  4. Will a solar car ever be a reality ? by jneves · · Score: 2

    I wonder if a solar car is ever going to be a reality, after all, the potential market includes southern USA and a lot of developing and third-world countries. With OPEC controlling oil prices so it doesn't loose control of the energy market by making alternative energies cheap enough, I doubt that we'll ever see a solar power aided car (fueled by solar+gas) anytime in the next 30 years.

    OTOH, I wonder if a plane wouldn't be an interesting use. After all they have a lot of area on top, they can fly over clouds, and the industry is always looking for ways to cut costs.

    1. Re:Will a solar car ever be a reality ? by leucadiadude · · Score: 2

      Why can't the arrays be installed in the surface of the roadway? They could transfer their energy to any compatible car that passes over them....

      Plus (here in the USA anyway) there is a LOT of road surface available which is currently only used to hold up vehicles.

  5. A long ride by imrdkl · · Score: 2
    Here's a map from the homepage. Looks to be about 3000 km. anyone know for sure?

    More importantly, how does this traumatize the local kangaroo population?

  6. 1434 km by brokeninside · · Score: 2, Informative
    The distance is right on the web page
    Saturday 17/11 Registration and Scrutineering at Alice Springs
    Monday 19/11 DAY 1 Alice Springs to Erldunda 199 km
    Tuesday 20/11 DAY 2 Erldunda to Marla 252 km
    Wednesday 21/11 DAY 3 Marla to Coober Pedy 233 km
    Thursday 22/11 DAY 4 Coober Pedy to Glendambo 253 km
    Friday 23/11 DAY 5 Glendambo to Port Augusta 289 km
    Saturday 24/11 DAY 6 Port Augusta to Quorn 116 km
    Sunday 25/11 DAY 7 Balaklava to Adelaide 92 km
    TOTAL DISTANCE 1434 km
    Regulations of the 2001 World Solar Cycle Challenge, 6.2 The Course
  7. Fuel cells still technically immature by Goonie · · Score: 2
    As I read it, fuel cell technology (for cars) is still kinda immature even for experimental race vehicles.

    Besides which, everything in these solar vehicles, including the aerodynamics, efficient electric motors, the power management, and so on, is directly applicable to future fuel cell vehicles anyway.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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  8. You don't need sun for solar by horza · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a friend that uses a solar-powered boat to go up and down the Thames and it works even in cloudy weather. Hence it's still possible even if you won't get the same ooomph.

    Phillip.

  9. Holy Shit! by s1r_m1xalot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sun runs cars? I thought they only did servers and that Java stuff. I wonder if they can port this stuff to lawnmowers. I hope Microsoft doesn't get wind of this.....

  10. Re:No Survivors by danjerdanjel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, they're safer than that..

    Usually the battery packs are kept compartmentalised from the rest of the shell so that they can't spill onto the driver. There is also usually at least two driver's egresses built into each car (even if that egress means kicking out the bottom of the car).

    The crashes that do happen are usually brought under control very quickly. The brakes on these things are usually quite good, and the cars are usually able to be salvaged (and of course the drivers are generally safe).

    As long as the team is aware and treats their drivers nicely (there are some horror stories about, for example, seatbelts being tied to the chassis of the vehicle bit a couple of bits of wire), then the cars are actually quite safe.

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  11. Big oil probably wouldn't mind by Goonie · · Score: 2
    Because it gets rid of the ability by the world's largest cartel to dicate the price of the product they sell.

    Medium-size oil, without the massive R&D budgets of big oil but lacking the nimbleness of startups, would likely be in big trouble if we shifted to hydrogen fuel cells.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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  12. No, yes, and maybe by cryptochrome · · Score: 5, Informative

    I happen to be a member of the Yale Solar Car team - Team Lux. So needless to say I've studied solar cars quite a bit. So...

    NO: Solar cars today are an experiment in engineering, not a solution to your everyday commuting needs. We can get relatively high speeds and drive all day, but the cars are very wide and long, flat, only hold one medium-to-small person (barely) and are limited by the environment.

    YES: Any electric car could easily be supplemented by the addition of a high efficiency array. It wouldn't provide enough power to drive the car all day like we do with the current crop of cars, but since most people only drive their cars about 2-4 hours a day it could help a lot, and could be a real lifesaver if you ran out of power. OTOH, even a well designed commuter car is going to be much heavier than our solar cars and have much less array area. What would make the most sense is for all carports to have arrays on top that could store and transfer energy to the cars parked under them.

    MAYBE: I don't know that electrical cars or fuel cells are the (near) future. Chemically propelled cars can potentially be much simpler and more efficient, since they aren't losing power through the extra electrical storage/transformation. And you can make fuel using solar power (you already were with the fuel cells). And until efficiency actually matters and the big-ass SUVs get off the road, it just won't be safe for extra-lightweight cars.

    BTW, the plane thing has already been done with the Helios project. And you're right, it has a lot of potential.

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    1. Re:No, yes, and maybe by -Harlequin- · · Score: 2

      I happen to be a member of the Yale Solar Car team - Team Lux. So needless to say I've studied solar cars quite a bit. So...

      WHat kind of batteries tend to get used?
      I'm assuming that you want the most storage for the least weight (polymer batteries?) vs limited budget (cheap-ass lead-acid...)

      Chemically propelled cars can potentially be much simpler and more efficient, since they aren't losing power through the extra electrical storage/transformation

      I do a lot of solar projects (mostly on a miniature scale, won a few small solar competitions, etc), and sometimes keep an eye on some commerical electric car developements, and my understanding is that the opposite is true - anything with a combustion engine suffers from hundreds of moving, wearing parts, relies on kludgey, expensive additional systems (clutch, etc), dumps all it's energy every time you hit the brakes - then wastes fuel getting back up to speed again. (Which in a city commute might mean you're spending ten times the energy actually needed. Hence hybrids getting up to four times the mileage).
      Electric engines are cheaper to make, last longer, more reliable, often involve no moving parts bar the shaft itself, gruntier even when running on significantly less energy, etc etc.

      But until an electricity storage system gets to the point where it hold even a signficant fraction of the energy that petrol does, you're right.

      BTW - I'd be interested to know how many orders of magnitude less energy these solar cars run on compared to a combustion car - can you give us an idea of what a typical solar-racer solar panel output is?

    2. Re:No, yes, and maybe by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

      Our team currently uses the best lead-acid batteries available. They're expensive, but much less so than Lithium Ions, which is what most teams are moving to. But of course they're very heavy. Budget does make a big difference in the kind of car you can build, with regards to practically every component. You may have heard that the University of Michigan won the recent american solar challenge this past summer - what you probably didn't hear is that they have huge amounts of resources both within and outside their school, and a monstrously large budget. Their car cost over a $1,000,000 for components alone. In contrast our current car is worth about $250,000.

      When I talk about chemical engines, I'm talking mostly about potential efficiency. There are some pretty amazing engine designs out there - there was a recent article about a rotary engine that only had one moving part besides the shaft and valves and required no lubrication.

      Most teams use the same type of engine, which is built into one of the wheels. It's a lot louder than you would expect (makes this wierd popping noise) but gets better than 90% efficiency. OTOH the power range it can provide is limited.

      I'm not sure about orders of magnitude, but I can tell you our car runs on about as much power as a hairdryer.

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  13. Tough Event by Macfox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    2 Years ago I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to get involved in 1999 solar cycle event, which runs parallel to the World Solar Challenge (Alice/Adelaide).

    These solar car's really hoot. Pedaling our guts out in the 40 degree heat (45km/h max) these million dollar machines cruised at over 110km/h often over taking normal road vehicles.

    Many of the big budget international teams struggled with the harsh conditions. Even the smallest of problems, are logistical nightmares, as vast legs of the race are held in remote areas, 1000kms from major cities.

    Even though entering WSC event requires $100,000's, money alone will not win the event and more often than not, the simplest design wins.

    Nerveless I wish all the international and local teams the best of luck.

    For anyone living in Adelaide, I highly recommend making the trip over to Victoria race course for the finish of the event and look at the sheer level of skilled engineering that goes into these vehicles.

    Rob.

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  14. My experiences from the ASC by ca1v1n · · Score: 2

    I am on the University of Virginia solar car team, and I remember some of these teams from the American Solar Challenge this summer. I have a few comments on the teams:

    Arizona University:

    If memory serves, these are the guys whose car spun out during qualifiers and flew through the air, tearing off the suspension when it landed. When I saw it happen, I thought they were finished. They had it up and running for the race and did quite well, much better than we did.

    Futura:

    I see they've withdrawn. They had some problems during the ASC. I can't really say what, but they were very far back in the pack despite what should have been a very high-performing solar array.

    Kansas State University:

    It's sad to see these guys are out of it, because we worked with them during the ASC getting our car and their car to pass scrutineering.

    Queens University:

    Wow. That car is nice. That's all I can say.

    South Bank University:

    These guys did pretty well in the ASC. They had an accident during the race and severely damaged their body, but duct tape kept them going and competitive.

    University of Michigan:

    They rebuilt their car 17 days before the ASC because it was destroyed during testing. They have a GaAs solar array, Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries, a very sleek design, and 4-wheel steering. Apparently when they redid the 4-wheel steering, they replaced the mechanical linkage with an electronic control. It's the most advanced solar car I've ever seen.

    University of Missouri-Rolla:

    These guys nearly won the ASC despite only having a 14% efficient array. For reference, some teams had up to 26% efficient arrays. Their car is incredibly light and efficient. Nobody in the race was even close to them on mechanical efficiency.

    University of Toronto:

    Good car. Nothing much comes to mind. Didn't see them much because they stayed ahead of us.

    University of Waterloo:

    Yet another very good car. They did a very good job of integrating the wheel farings with the body to keep aerodynamic drag very low.

    That's about all I have to say about that. If you want to see how the ASC went, check out their website at http://www.formulasun.org/asc/.

  15. not all marsupials are nocturnal by Technodummy · · Score: 2



    Kangaroos are daytime critters, but are sometimes active at night, and get squished by cars (or cars squished by the big ones).

    Marsupial possums are often nocturnal.

    Regular cars are more likely to disturb wildlife than solar cars.

    wanna know more about em? australianwildlife.com.au

    the route taken by the solar challenge is (I presume) chosen for maximum sun. a lot of the places on the map are incredibly dry and have little wildlife due to the lack of water. Coober Pedy is like a moonscape, Alice Springs is a lot more hospitable, as is Tennant Creek.

    Water is not always easy to come by in the desert, which can have an unusual effect on wildlife.

    Truck road trains and tour buses use these roads, so solar cars should be a nice change of pace.

    If you're (physically) going to watch the challenge, don't miss some of the amazing places out there.