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Limewire Gets Ads, And Accusations of Spyware

Gerard J. Pinzone writes: "Limewire 1.8 now comes with mandatory banner ads. The reasons given by one of their developers, Christopher Rohrs, for the new ads are that 'Bandwidth alone from www.limewire.com, www.limewire.org, and router.limewire.com is around $10,000 month! And we need to pay developer's salaries--like mine--to keep driving innovation on the Gnutella network.' On top of all this, the banner ad software Limewire is using is "Cydoor". Many users are complaining that this is spyware. Here is a link to the message in the Gnutella forums where this topic is being discussed"

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  1. Installation of Cydoor is OPTIONAL! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well I installed LimeWire 1.8 a few days ago and it ASKS you if you want to install Gator and/or cydoor. I said no and LimeWire is essentially the same as 1.7 (but with a banner)

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    1. Re:Installation of Cydoor is OPTIONAL! by FFFish · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those of you using Windows boxen may wish to use InCtrl5, which monitors the registry and various directories for any and all changes.

      You can then go through its list and ferret out the shite that Cydoor has installed.

      Anyone know of an uninstaller that can use InCtrl files? It'd be a snap to replace Windows' rather piss-poor uninstaller.

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    2. Re:Installation of Cydoor is OPTIONAL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No cd_*.dll That's Cydoor and if you remove the file guess what no ads in limewire and limewire fails to work.

  2. Bearshare has it too by MxTxL · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bearshare pops up to an immediate ad, and also usually spawns a browser window to show an ad. Pretty annoying, but it's not a big deal to just close the spawned window and get on with your business... not really a big deal if limewire does it... besides, if it helps keep them in business, then i say go for it!

    1. Re:Bearshare has it too by tcc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Aside from the fact that when I tried bearshare last year, it DIDN'T ASK me if I wanted to install extra stuff, I was running norton internet security, and guess what I found? A nice little program that was running in the background, ALWAYS pluging EVERY site I was visiting in a database somewhere before going to connect to that typed site I sent, all this transparent if you didn't have any firewalling software installed. (I kept seeing a connection to some place that I didn't know of), I uninstalled bearshare, guess what, it stayed there! (standard uninstaller, not cleansweep or any advanced cleaners).

      What pissed me off the most about this is NOWHERE in the install process or the website from front page to download link was this indicated.

      I was happy to see alternative to napster, but I was REALLY angry at the fact that people are installing spying crap on my system not EVEN with small notices anywhere in the install or download process! That happened after the REAL.COM spyware fiasco, I thought people learned, I'm sure today it's not doing it anymore for that precise example (after a zillion complain probably)

      But WHY do we have to go thru this?? these people should be treated the same way VIRUS WRITERS would be, heck, you can get jailed in some contries just to try to log in a .mil site for fun or do portscanning on any major sites, why the heck do these people install stuff that tracks your every moves and gets out of it with not even a scratch? 20$ you'd write something like that and treat it with a virus label, you'd get fined and jailed! I stopped using bearshare from that day and told all my friends, sent an article here about it and all the specs but it got rejected.

      Anyways, I can't beleive people are still pulling that stunt, mandatory banner adds, it's okay in my book, even if it's totally useless and normally it means that the application will die (because who click these adds anyways?! the only advertising system I saw working were porn sites and some loyal people on a specific site (i.e. Here probably). The fact is they SAY so, they WARN you, if you go thru the process and something slows down your system or tracks your moves, at least you know! that's the BIG difference and even if it's almost ironic to say, I guess with all the spycrap around, people being honnest about the stuff they install on your system should get a praise. (yike!!)

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      | Bearshare pops up to an immediate ad, and also usually spawns a browser window to show an ad. Pretty annoying, but it's not a big deal to just close the spawned window and get on with your business... not really a big deal if limewire does it... besides, if it helps keep them in business, then i say go for it!

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    2. Re:Bearshare has it too by andrewski · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Anyways, I can't beleive people are still pulling that stunt, mandatory banner adds, it's okay in my book, even if it's totally useless and normally it means that the application will die (because who click these adds anyways?"

      You're assuming that they are making money on clickthroughs exclusively and not on all the other data that they collect from you. Who really knows how much data mining these things do on your PC, without your knowledge or consent?

      I am as paranoid about this kind of software as I am about people cracking into my machine. They are both non-consensual, and offer no information about their motives.

      TREAT ADWARE / SPYWARE WITH EXTREME CAUTION!!!!!!!

  3. Better way to do Ads by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Pud of Fucked Company has a better way to do ads. You can see how he does it here:

    www.httpads.com

    Basically he allows other people to do impulse buying of ads on his website. Very Interesting, and useful

    And yes, he is making money on this angle.

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  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Informative

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  5. Re:As if... by jeffy124 · · Score: 2, Informative

    actually, it aint java that's slow (unless you have an old JVM). It's the network connections going from point to point along the network combined with the fact that the guy who coded Limewire didnt know how to use Java effectively, hence the code is very ineffecient.

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  6. WinMX by DarkZero · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try WinMX. It seems to be one of the last P2P programs left that doesn't put Spyware on your computer. It uses the OpenNap, Napster, WinMX, and other networks to search for files, and my experience with it has been pretty good. It's not as popular as the others, but it gets the job done and it does it without spyware.

  7. Re:I just tried this by spongman · · Score: 3, Informative
    morpheus works just fine for me (win2k, xp) it crashes occasionally (rarely), but it doesn't matter - the downloads are continued when you start it up again...

    if you have a broadband connection and you're looking for a good gnutella client, try Xolox it does simultaneous, restartable downloads. it's not as good as morpheus for identifying identical content, and the gnutelly network doesn't support the rich metadata that morpheus has, but it's the best gnutella client i have found, nothing fancy..

  8. Re:Older LimeWire Versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well... Am using 10.1 and LimeWire 1.8 and it is far superior to the previous versions in performance. And it is not so damned butt ugly if you use it under OS X. Don't like the player feature? Don't use it. And banners? Ain't none. Ditto spyware.

  9. Kazaa did it to me... by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 4, Informative

    I see people saying try Kazaa instead, but on my system it was Kazaa that installed Cydoor. When I used Ad-aware to remove Cydoor, Kazaa refused to run and told me I had removed files it needed and should reinstall.

    1. Re:Kazaa did it to me... by AnimeFreak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Morpheus is basically the same thing as Kazaa (it's in the same network), but Morpheus allows you to download >128 Kbit MP3s. As and added bonus, there is no spyware in Morpheus.

  10. Re:Why are they spending so much on bandwidth? by walt-sjc · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had a Qwest DS3 full bandwidth for $16K at my last company. Local loop was waived. Installation was waived. Same deal for T1's, but $1K - anywhere qwest serviced (can't do some states cause they are the LEC there... FCC shit.) Don't do a circuit with "burstable" or any limits / usage charges - that's crap.

    You have to know how to negotiate. The major carriers are hungry. They will deal. Direct lines are ALWAYS cheaper / Mbit than colo hosting.

  11. If you're running Windows try this program!!! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The program is Ad-Aware. It's a freeware program available at www.lavasoftusa.com Ad aware looks for spyware on your computer and then allows you to (selectively) delete it. You'll be amazed how much can be there. The first time I ran it it found over 200 (!) files on my computer. Needless to say, the computer not only was a lot faster once I deleted all these trojans, but more stable as well. Try it, you'll like it.

  12. Re:NO junk in the Mac version... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ehh... well it all boils down to Cydoor not being ported to MacOS, Linux, etc. It's wintel spyware.

    Don't get me wrong, I can live without this software, but it is also a symptom of developers not making the effort to port their work to other platforms.

    The LimeGroup should just query for banner ads via their Java Client. I see no real reason for a thrid party, and I do support their use of ads. The new "super node" beta is freek'n awesome... instant access to tons of files. No more long connects. Ads are a small price to pay to keep development going.

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  13. Gnutella's future looks bright by mlinksva · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, Fastrack has better features and content right now. Still, gnutella will always be around, and it's going to get better soon. Check out this writeup of the gnutella developer meeting at last week's O'Reilly P2P conference and also this one. With the addition of hash searches/results (which can enable swarm downloads) and supernodes, gnutella will be competitive with KaZaa and its Fasttrack cohorts.

  14. Why not just use Qtella? by Moritz+Moeller+-+Her · · Score: 3, Informative

    GPL, for linux and QT/KDE. Has everything I need and looks prettier. Faster too.

    A new version (0.3) was released two days ago.

    I have no sympathy for all the losers on /. who whine about the spyware on their Windows machines. GO AWAY!

    Here is the URL: http://www.qtella.net/

    Description:

    Qtella is a new Gnutella client for Linux written in C++ using the Qt libraries. It should be no problem to use Qtella on any platforms where Qt with thread support (library qt-mt must exists) is installed.

    The following features are part of Qtella 0.2.1:

    multiple search
    continue interrupted downloads
    uploads
    limit number of downloads and uploads
    limit upload bandwidth
    separate unfinished downloads from finished ones
    download of several files at once
    test whether file allready exists
    identification of download server
    automatic retry if error, busy, closed
    auto connect list
    KDE integration
    save host list
    handle extended gnutella protocol
    status lines and statistics
    accecpt incoming connections
    download from firewalled hosts
    pong cache to reduce network traffic

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  15. Re:Geez by rbeattie · · Score: 5, Informative


    I was about to call you names back. But then I CVSed the source and low-and-behold, if you download it and compile it yourself (very, very easy with Apache Ant - there's even a batch file to do it) it's the same version (1.8) but WITHOUT the ad stuff. You don't even have to muss with the code.

    http://core.limewire.org/servlets/ProjectSource

    Very nice. (Thanks for being a jerk.) ;-)

    -Russ

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  16. Thiefware by ThesQuid · · Score: 3, Informative

    A great website about all this is ThiefWare.
    They have comprehensive descriptions of all the companies and the spyware they install.

    I discovered this site after being called by a "representative" wanting to sell our company keywords for $30,000! My boss was psyched about it until I impressed upon him that we did not want to be associated with such scum. The bizarro thing was that this salesman didn't even work for Cydoor Networks...they seemed to be parasites of the parasites.


  17. Re:Linux version? by Adam+Fisk · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Linux version does not have ads. Niether do the MacOS (pre-9.4 and all OSX versions), Solaris, SunOS, HP-UX, etc. versions for that matter.

    Thanks.

    Adam Fisk
    LimeWire

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  18. It is open source by CTho9305 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The normal download does not provide source code. You can get it using CVS, or through the developer section.

  19. Note: Limewire 1.8 on Mac OS X is banner free! by slashbrent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just so ya know... I downloaded Limewire 1.8 this weekend and installed it on OS X 10.1 - no ad software, no banners, just like 1.7 only with different tabs/widgets. :-)

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  20. Adware is optional on Bearshare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You installed it a year ago? I installed if 2-3 monthes ago, and installing the 'spyware' or ad software was completely optional. I just downloaded the newest version off their site and installed it. Again, it was optional. So what your saying may have been true a year ago, but it no longer is.

    puck