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Be Shareholders Approve Sale to Palm

moooooooo writes: "Well it's official. Be shareholders have approved the sale of Be Assets to Palm. Hopefully Palm will announce something about either a new BeOS version or licensing the source to the BeUnited crew."

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  1. Re:Sale of Be assets by zuccini · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately it can't be open-sourced because if the amount of licensed code in it that would be nigh-on impossible to strip out. However, there are some projects underway such as OpenBeOS to reproduce the API open source.

  2. Re:Good luck to BePalm by richie2000 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Hence the phrase, "Gone the way of the Commodore" ?

    Exactly, except we used to say "gone the way of the Commododo.". :-)

    Oh, how I would like to get my hands on Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould and slowly wring the last ounce of life out of their greedy bodies... But I digress.

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  3. time for palm to open a can of whoop-ass... by infinite+jester · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... on microsoft

    in addition to the codebase, patents, etc., palm will be able to sue microsoft on beos' behalf, for the unlawful licensing tactics that kept beos off the desktop... microsoft's o.e.m. licenses prohibited dual-booting, which was definitely a contributing factor to beos' demise (one of the few concessions that the d.o.j. "won" in the recent settlement was a prohibition on those types of licensing agreements)

    given that microsoft is now a proven monopolist, and treble damages apply, palm stands to make considerably more money from microsoft than they spent for be

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  4. BeUnited is wishful thinking by jeti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The plan of BeUnited is more or less to license BeOS, release a new version, and use the sales profit to pay for the license. The OS would then be improved with the help of NDAed enthusiasts and possibly some pros. An open source release is not planned.

    As much as I'd like this plan to succeed, I consider it purely wishful thinking:

    1. No money.
    BeUnited doesn't have a sponsor (I asked), and in the current situation I think it's unlikely that they'll get a high enough credit.

    2. No product
    While it's true that BeInc has been doing work on a new network stack (BONE) and a nice OpenGL implementation, this stuff is still in late beta. Other parts like Java and Opera4 would have to be ported from BeIA.

    3. The numbers aren't right.
    Have a look at the 'Save BeOS' petition: Around 4000 entries. So how many versions could you sell? For what price? What's your margin? Even if you would get a credit and if you wouldn't need to do dev work: You wouldn't make enough money to make Palm an attractive offer.

    Sad but true.

  5. Re:Get a grip... by ewhac · · Score: 4, Informative

    BeOS is dead. What on earth would Palm want to continue it for?

    No reason whatsoever, and that's a sad thing.

    You have no idea what's been lost here. Yes, BeOS had plenty of warts and rough edges that are the hallmark of any desktop system that doesn't have millions of users to help smooth them over (through sheer erosion if nothing else). But there's lots of stuff inside BeOS that was done very right, and now that's lost forever to desktop users.

    BeOS did seamless symmetric multi-processing from day one. Yes, Linux does it, too, but never (that I have seen) out of the box. You have to recompile the kernel, something "normal" users don't have a taste for. Further, the pervasive multithreading took full advantage of however many CPUs you had in the machine (it even ran, unmodified, on a prototype 8-way Xeon machine).

    BeOS is multi-platform. Originally developed for the AT&T Hobbit processor, BeOS was ported to the PowerPC (which was maintained for as long as was practicable) and Intel processors. Now that Palm is in the picture, BeOS is being ported to the StrongARM.

    If there was a BeOS driver for your sound card, it just worked. No recompiling the kernel, no reading highly technical HOWTO files that even experienced programmers have trouble interpreting to work out which compile switches to set, no editing /etc/modules.conf in Mysterious Ways to load the driver with the correct parameters, and definitely no futzing with PNP tools to interrogate and configure older cards.

    If the power died, the 64-bit journalled filesystem would lose no data. Just reboot and you're good to go. Linux is only just now getting this with ReiserFS and SGI's port of XFS.

    But beyond what was available in the last public release of BeOS (v5.0.3) was what was under development in the EXP tree: a "theme-able" desktop GUI, a completely new kernel-based networking stack that rivalled the speed of Linux and *BSD, further refinement of the audio services, and a complete re-write of the OpenGL system to support hardware acceleration (the Voodoo and ATI Radeon drivers were in excellent shape, and the Intel 810 driver was making good progress (until I ran into that $(EXPLETIVE) opaque chip lockup that I failed to track down)).

    Palm has expressed firm disinterest in pursuing any of this. So Gates gets another notch in his belt, and you have one less option for your desktop machine. This, I contend, is not a good thing.

    I can't imagine how Jean-Louis Gassée feels right now.

    Schwab

  6. OpenBeOS by n-tone · · Score: 4, Informative

    IMHO, Palm will stop the development of BeOS.
    There's maybe a chance that one day, the OpenBeOS project succeeds.
    OpenBeOS is an opensource project which wants to recreate the BeOS.
    I don't believe it's possible. It seems to be a too difficult work but the people behind this project looks serious. So good luck to OpenBEOS!

  7. Licensed code by jeti · · Score: 4, Informative

    The About-Box of BeOS hints at some of the licensed code:

    RSA encryption for Net+
    (Hasn't the RSA license changed anyway?)

    Real Player and maybe codecs
    (Simply leave them out)

    USB drivers from Intel
    Tough - but you can live without them

    Optimized graphics routines from Intel
    The biggest problem. Graphics card drivers
    and maybe OpenGL seem to depend on it.
    On the other hand, BeOS 4.5 seems to have
    worked without that code. And maybe it's
    encapsulated in the libbitflinger.

    Well - if you know what you're doing, it
    should not be too hard to get the code out.
    But who should do it?

  8. Re:not the way to go - Re:Be on Palm? by Troed · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is no PDA-war. Do you really believe PDAs and cellulars will stay as separate devices? If so, you're probably american and don't know what's happening :) Say bye-bye to Microsoft, and Hello to Nokia, Ericsson, Panasonic etc.


    Yeah, I do work in the business.

  9. BeOS had a great chance, and blew it by mikael · · Score: 4, Flamebait

    What BeOS had was amazing performance in the low-latency area of computing, namely audio and video.There is a huge market for audio and video processing. People in that sector goes with what runs best, they're even running MacOS 9 (gasp!), because Cubase and other applications just plain works better under MacOS compared to Windows. Some are still running Atari!

    Be had their chance when Steinberg announced a port of Nuendo, their successor to Cubase, to BeOS. At that point, the entire music business was raving, "No more suffering from Wndows/MacOS!!"

    Guess what happened? Be made the decision to drop BeOS personal edition, and instead pursue the BeOS Internet Appliance(!?!). This failed in a spectacular way, with Sony delivering the only shipping units with BeIA. Sony have since discontinued that product.

    They had their chance, a niche OS that would dominate a small percentage of the market, but blew it big time.

    Mikael

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