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French Government Online-Why Isn't the U.S.?
DullTrev asks: "Looks like the French are pushing forward once again with their online government plans. The BBC News site has this article about the new portal about to be launched. The article says the portal 'will give every citizen a personal internet portal allowing them to pay taxes online, register a child for a state school, or be reminded that their regulatory car inspection is due in a month's time'. The UK government has had this portal up for a while, and are steadily expanding their services. This is all within the EU government systems that are (not surprisingly) encouraging online government all over the place. How does this kind of thing compare to the US?"
I suspect that France has a much higher percentage of citizens with real ISPs than the United States, so naturally this idea would fly beter over there.
Also, and I am generalising here, I think it's generally known that Europeans tend to be more liberal to new systems and technologies than North Americans.
I think it will be at least 2005 before something like this becomes the norm in the US. And then another 5 years to get people to trust it after it's hacked (because it would inevitably be overhyped, integrated with .NET and passport, and get out the door before it's ready.) [Please let's not let this discussion turn into an overblown anti MS rant...]
It is even in three languages English, Greek and Turkish, and works in Opera for Linux. So, I would say it's pretty cool.
Leonid Mamtchenkov
Furthermore, I will add that our government also supports the use of Linux, as this this page states, people can download a java version of the forms filling tool, that allows online filing of a zillion of various things.
States' Rights was Jeffersonian, Alexander Hamilton and John Marshall were for strong federal government.
Hamilton and Marshall appear to have won out in practice. Federalism's benefit was that no state could unfairly create commerce problems with another state, but the downside is that the Federal government has far overreached it's bounds, largely thanks to Marshall.
quoting from the Smithsonian magazine:
Marshall and Jefferson were adversaries. Jefferson believed in states' rights -- that the colonies who ratified the constitution did so as sovereign states. He wanted the weakest federal government possible. Marshall knew that a federal government without the power to tax, to support a military and to regulate finance was a recipe for anarchy. For 34 years, in decision after decision, McCulloch v. Maryland, Gibbons v. Ogden, he built up the legal power of the Supreme Court and, with it, the power of the federal government. Jefferson and succeeding democratic Presidents were against everything Marshall did, but found themselves helpless before his legal expertise in reading the Constitution.
endquote.
States' Rights was pretty much dissolved by the Civil War, and only lately have there been good arguments for it, such as Oregon and their fight for the right to administer euthanasia.
The Polish Government has such a portal, but if you want to do business with the Polish government you have to be running windows and have a proprietary piece of Windows software*. Sun had to get a PC with Windows so they could do business in Poland.
With Asscroft and Bushleague in control and on the MS payroll, you know what will happen here.
*Apple Poland fought to have the software ported to other platforms but lost.
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Just for the sake of remembrance, "open" records in Holland and other countries made easy pickins of the Jews and other "undesirables" during the Nazi occupation. The Dutch have, to their credit, proposed encryption of their public information. But it sounded like an escrow key thing, when I read about it. But thats still perhaps better than no protection of public information at all.
I guess it is mostly about sheer numbers, tho. As others have pointed out.
That would Grand Frère. And it is not seen as something good.
In France, there is less distrust in (and more reliance upon) the government. Yes. But there is less reliance upon (and more distrust in) private corporations.
That sounds communist for the average troll, but you should keep in mind some basic things.
In the French vision, the government is made by the people, for the people, and takes its decision in the better interest of the people.
When a government fails, it is disposed, violently if needs be (everyone have heard, at least, of the French Revolution ?). We're actually in our 5th republic, and the topic of a 6th one comes regularly.
But, in the French vision of how things are, a private corporation is made by people who don't give a fuck about other people, wildlife, public health, employment rate, or anything; except the money they earn.
Because earning money is the definition and meaning of life of a private corporation, not ethics, civil rights, or any other things like that.
People in the US is suspicious of big government databases. People in France is suspicious about big corporate databases. And, actually, I havn't heard of things like the CNIL (Commission Nationale Informatique et Liberté) who watch and prevents privacy abuses from government and pricate organizations alike.
Reading Slashdot, I often get the feeling that people from the US sees governments as a necessary evil, trying to oppress and spy upon the citizens, whereas pricate corporations are utopian-minded selfless organizations promoting freedom, civil rights, respect for life, human rights, and environment.
Although it would be naive to say I believe in the reverse, I sure trust less corporations than government. At least, the government is legitimized in its position by the constitution, and has clear duties it needs to respect.
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- They were **THE** pionneers in instituting an online society.
- They're not anglo-saxons.
- De Gaulle did not like using a phone.
- They're catholics
- French culture values intellectual achievement
- The education system does not make specialists, but generalists.
- France values education and culture.
French is not only about perfumes and good food, it's also about technology, science, research and, most importantly, FREE EDUCATION.More than 20 years ago, they decided to implement the fabled Minitel in order to eliminate paper telephone directories.
So the french don't have that innate distrust of the State. Thus, they not only do not continually question what the State does, but they don't view working for the State as something demeaning, so the best minds are naturally attracted to work for the State so everyone benefits.
He himself took maybe three phone calls a year, and made perhaps only one (on a good year) phone call on the same year (he didn't have a phone on his desk). Therefore, telephone infrastructure lagged sorely behind most countries (and was the butt of cruel jokes, like Fernand Raynaud's fabled: "Hello New-York, gimme the 22 at Asnières", which is said to have humiliated french telephone network engineers more than anything else. So, upon De Gaulle's resignation, the authorities embarked into a record-breaking research program to enhance the french phone network.
The retarded phone network was a blessing in disguise, because in most cases, switches simply bypassed mechanical switching and they went from manual operators straight to digital packet-switching.
This gave France a head-start in digital communications, which enabled them to quickly implement the Minitel network.
The french didn't have much choice but either to listen to the priests or to dump them, which is what they've been doing en masse for the last 200 years or so. (By contrast, a protestant can either find a sect that tells him what he likes, or simply make-up one of his own)
Republican ideals naturally spurns religion as something which enslaves humanity, so the State is quite rigorously insulated from the church. Official education is strictly non-religious (law forbids teaching religion in public schools), so therefore, the french put much virtue in Science (and the fabled cartesian spirit also helps). So it is quite normal that the french will rigorously embrace new technology without having any philosophical qualms about it.
And it does so far more than financial success (you just can't get rid of the the old scatholic foundations...), so plenty of people are drawn into scientific studies. Scientists enjoy recognition and are respected. So, naturally, luddites do not really get listened to...
This enables a great penetration of advanced technological ideas throughout society.
French scientists have a shallower knowledge that spans far more areas of interests, so they are more able to connect seemingly disconnected technologies together.
A most successful and innovative american company has fully understood this idea. Researchers working for the Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing company are forced NOT to spend 10 to 15% of their research budget on their primary research area. But they are quite free to spend it investigating side-effects discovered through their research. That's why they have so much innovative products.
Since then, it is only natural that education is freely available to anyone. The cream of the crop is also enrolled in the grandes écoles where they are given the best education for free, for which they then serve the State as the fabled highly-competent senior bureaucrates.
The government controls the TV station
Actually, the charter of the BBC is such that it is independant of the government - the government cannot influence its output. It is more of a publicly owned body than a state controlled service.
People in the UK (mostly) love the BBC, even those on the right politically. (They complain about it, but then they complian about everying). Even Thatcher was afraid to privatize it because she knew there would be outrage.
You clearly don't appreciate (or seem to understand) our system, so why don't you STFU about it?
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There are critical reasons why we have a system full of contentious factions (States vs. National, Legislative vs. Executive, etc.)
To grossly over-simplify, every time people are oppressed en masse, or murdered in huge numbers it is by a government under one banner. (And yes, I am acutely aware of the plank in our eye. A. Jackson was able to collect too much power to the Executive to genocidal results.)
Oh, and regarding your sig, we risk getting shot by carrying guns to stave off just this sort of thing, or don't you recall a couple little things called WWI and WWII? We don't get invaded much. (Which is clearly partially attributable to geography, but can you imagine invading a country with > 1 firearm per capita? (Which AFAIK means the US or Switzerland. Hmm, they don't get invaded much either . .
-Peter