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Cybercrime Treaty to Be Signed

texchanchan writes: "Yahoo reports that "Interior ministers and law enforcement officials from Europe, South Africa, Canada, the United States and Japan will sign the milestone cyber-crime convention.... [because] computer criminals... have moved on from ``innocent'' hacking to fraud, embezzlement and life-threatening felonies."" Feel the spin in that article, from the anonymous "official". We've posted about this treaty before; read the final draft and note it well, particularly the extradition provisions, mutual assistance (some other country gets your country to tap your phones, and send them the data) and the requirements to disclose passwords.

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  1. Would this include Spammers? by RageMachine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to say that %50 of the spam I get on a daily basis is probably some kind of rip-off scam made up by some guy sitting in his room running on a free hosting service with a domain used to gather CC info.

    Does this mean that spammers will be considered terrorists? Will we have laws that will finally put these criminals in jail?

    I hope this is the case. Since the last article I read about spammers, Ive been sending letters charging them for bandwidth ($50 a pop) if they continue to spam. Hopefully now I will be able to just send a little email to the FBI and say, hey, here is a terrorist for you to give hell to. :)

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  2. Re:Don't worry... by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 5, Interesting
    once Bush hears that this is an "international treaty", he'll back out of it because of US interests.

    Oh, he'll sign it, but that doesn't matter, because the 50 states can safely ignore it. Really, they can, because Federal treaties are not binding on the states! This is according to George W. Bush himself: "Texas did not sign the Vienna Convention, so why should we be subject to it?" Statement from the office of Texas Governor George W. Bush

    So please write your state Attorney General and ask that they please ignore this treaty.

    Also, and more importantly, write your Senators and ask that they not ratify it in the first place.

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  3. Re:What about spammers ? by Hertog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe, but what worries me more is that now, apparently I can be lookt at/spied uppon for something that is illegal in the states, while living in the Netherlands.... Hmm, this does have some familiar ring to it. Hasn't something like this happend before? But then with somebody actually going to the states?

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  4. european surveillance extended world wide by tsinterface · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It is sad to see that the US goes the European way regarding civil liberties. Many people tend to think that europe is more-crypto friendly or so, because the german government sponsors GnuPG.

    But Germany is the country with the most tapped phones per 1000 inhabitants in the whole world, and still growing.

    That they fund GnuPG hast something to do with the fact, that the european industry is afraid of Echelon.

    But the government is really eager nowadays to enforce an Orwellian police state.

    If you are able to understand german, there are some disturbing articles at telepolis about the new European cyber-police called Enfopol.

    Anybody know a country which doesn't sacrifice freedom to "fight terrorism" these days ?

  5. Re:Next July by Rand+Race · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Spouting racial hate speach is exactly like yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater: not in of itself illegal. If by yelling "fire!" in a theater or by spouting racial hatred one causes, say, a riot one will be charged with inciting a riot. If one causes the public to become endangered one will be charged with public endangerment. And if one causes a death by his speach one would be charged with manslaughter and/or conspiracy.


    Banning ANY speech is an infringement of Free Speech. Making one responsible for the consequences of one's speech is not.


    I don't get how people can look at words like "free" or "any" or "no law" and somehow see "limited" and "some" and "a few laws".

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  6. Re:Whoa. Paranoia runs deeper than i thought. by CubeDweller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's a challenge to any mathematically-minded geeks with way too much spare time:

    I want a new form of encryption. I want this form of encryption to take two separate plain text messages and two separate passwords. I want the algorithm to generate a single cipher text.

    This allows me to have one real message and one 'bluff' message. If my password is ever demanded of me, I can provide the 'bluff' password. Lo and behold it reveals an innocent, readable message.

    I probably have the skills to implement this such that the cipher text contains both messages in separate blocks, but it would be too easy for someone to detect the fact that the cipher text contains two messages. It would be great if somebody knew how to make this sophisticated enough to appear to any reasonably intelligent encryption buff to be a single message.

    My limited experience in this field makes me think this would be very computationally difficult. Hundreds of thousands of internal keys would need to be generated until a set of keys is found that yield the same ciphertext for the two messages. Brute force would be unrealistic, so you'd need someone with some fairly serious math skills to come up with some fancy algorithm.

    Even better would be if the 'bluff' text could be decrypted by some common tool like PGP. This would do no good if the person asking for passwords knew to ask for two of them.

  7. Perhaps it's time by Myselfthethoom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps it is time for the geeks of the world to declare the internt a soverign country, with and end user licenses agrement that says something like the folowing:
    ATTENTION by connecting your computer to the internet you agree that
    1) Everyone has the right to say whatever they $^&# 'ign want and you can choose to listen or not.
    2) you realize that the internet might be insecure, like walking down a street, Provide secruity for yourself.
    3) We wil not take down a page you find offencive, someone wanted to say that.
    4) We don't care about treaties you all signed, they are not ours.
    5)By conneting your machine to our network you agree that you have read this agreement, even if you are a government this applies to you.
    6) I said that we don't care if you are #$%'ing offended you controll where you browse.
    7)Don't look to us to solve your internal network problems, it is YOUR fault they were not secure.
    To governments:
    we know your country has laws, so do we, we don't care what someone in another country did, it was not in your country. If you are so afraid of content perhaps you are closed minded or if you dislike content perhaps your citizens shouldn't be here.

    Perhaps someone a little bit better should draft the deleration of indpendence for the net, But Hey the whole internet dosen't need to be indepented, Perhaps /. could declare soverinty along with other places that would work better too. I suppose my long rant ends with a summary. I don't reacall the citizens of the internet having a say, that is bad.

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  8. Re:Autoimmune Disease by Bobzibub · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I fear governments more hands down.
    Governments kill waaaaaaaay more people than terrorists could ever dream of.
    I'm not even a gun toting small town boy from Wisconson either.

  9. "Sorta like the Volstead act" by Biker+Jim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So I read it. the whole thing. Looks like it will:
    A-Keep a zillion or so int. lawyers off food stamps for the foreseeable future.
    B-Reassure the int. fat cats that the "problem has been adequately addressed"
    C-Set a new world record for obscufatory( I think that means unclear, sometimes contradictory and in view of the mass of existing law on the issue somewhat pointless) rhetoric.
    D-Scare the pants off every cracker in the known world.( Man! I could hear all those plugs coming out of wall sockets all the way over here!)
    E-Prove to the world that these guys(and gals and any others of the 8 or 9 known sexes involved) know what they are talking about and have banded together to do something about it!

    As i sometimes do, I went to one of my old fart buddies and got his opinion (I'm 52 so these guys are really ancient). I explained it rather well I thought and when he stopped laughing he had this to say.
    "Well it sorta reminds me of the Volstead act. (Booze prohibition in the 20's) We'd come out of those logging camps with a hell of a thirst and there was nary a drop to be had. We bought our booze from the local sherrif because he would'nt throw us in the pokie if we bought it from him. I don't remember that it changed much of anything at all except who got our wages. But you know that pretty much convinced us all that when it comes right down to it each man has pretty much got to make his own rules. You know what I mean?"

    Yeah, guess I do. Well thaks for taking the time to read this. Jim Sofra, Queen Charlotte Island,"The trailing edge of technology"