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Linux-Based Audiophile CD Archival System

cporter writes: "My disappointment with the quality of compressed digital music formats (MP3, Ogg, WMA, the list goes on ...) and playback hardware has so far forced me to stick with the good ol' aluminum coated plastic discs. However, Linn has created the Kivor Knekt multi-unit linux-based hard disk system for archiving CDs in uncompressed form for cataloging and playback (yes, it does support ripping to MP3). It includes the Tunboks storage system, the Linnk control interface, the Oktal D/A converter, and the PCI Musik Machine sound board. The system can support up to 11 hard drives for storing audio. Stereophile magazine has a review in their current dead-tree issue, not available online, during which the reviewer hooked up a keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and found an AMD Duron system running Linux. The price is a mere $20,000, plus installation. Guess I'm sticking to CDs for the moment." Looks amazing despite the price. They should send me a review model :)

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  1. Try FLAC by redcliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try the Free Lossless Audio Codec. It isn't as compressive as MP3 or OGG, but will help.

    http://flac.sf.net

    David

  2. Archiving Audio by E1ven · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beyond just sticking to the CDs, if you don't like the quality of WMA, Vorbis, mp3, ect, you could try using a losless codec.
    Basically the difference is this- a lossy codec, such as mp3, in order to shrink the filesize as small as possible, "throws away" less relevent information, to focus on what you will hear.
    A lossless codec, such as Flac, does not lose any information. You could, if you wanted to, restore it to the original WAV file.

    Think of it as zipping the wav file, but with special routines that encode tighter.
    Flac can be found at http://flac.sourceforge.net/.

    It might be possible to modify this system to use such a format? It would save HD space, which would allow you to archive more onto it.

    Be well.

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  3. uncompressed? hello? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why aren't you at least using Shorten? It's lossless audio compression and it'll at least double the amount of stuff you can archive.

    I'm doing it now on a 300 GB RAID 5 partition, and things are sweet.

    Read about SHN here, and then use it.

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  4. Complicated, expensive, and stupid by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you don't want any compression, why not go down to Circuit City and buy a 400-disk CD jukebox for $300? What's the point of spending a lot of time and money to transfer CD's (uncompressed, no less) to a computer?

  5. Linn by PoiBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    IMHO as an audiophile Linn products tend to be somewhat overpriced relative to similar products from other companies. I wouldn't be surprised if more high-end companies produce similar systems for under $7500 or so.

    In the meantime, there is the Sutherland 12dax7 system which works with any type of music on your computer for $1699 IIRC. www.12dax7.com

    Nevertheless, it is good to see high-end audio companies paying attention to newer recording technologies.

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  6. Bunch of crap by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "My disappointment with the quality of compressed digital music formats [blah]"

    That's classic snobbism from self-declared "audiophiles". The truth is, 99% of people won't be able to hear a difference between a well-encoded 128kbp MP3 and the original CD. Of the remaining 1%, 99% won't be able to tell the difference anymore if the MP3 is encoded at or above 256kbps. And that's even with top-of-the-line amplifiers and speakers. It's the same kind of people who claimed years ago that vinyls were so much better sounding than CDs, when the truth is that the dynamics and S/N ratio of a good vinyl will never match that of a bad CD, and the only difference between a vinyl and a CD is the audio on the vinyl is compressed.

    Those who really can tell a difference whatever the encoding are golden ears used as sonar officers in nuclear submarines, and professional audio testers in their anechoic chambers working for Kenwood, Denon and the likes. Is the poster one of these people ? not bloody likely.

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  7. Re:uncompressed? hello? by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, come on, and since when so called 'esoteric' audio component makers make meaningful decisions? It's just a matter of perceptions, if it's priced at $20,000, a lot of 'audiophiles' will think it's worth it.

    It's the same rationale as people who think that a CD player that has a gold plated/rare woods case sounds better than a standard plasticky CD player regardless of what actually is inside.

    Same goes for people who spend hundreds of dollars for gold-everything interconnects (cables) and other various snake oil products.

    Music appreciation is by definition subjective, so if one spends several hundred bucks for a component which *might* produce a difference measurable in a lab with ultra-sensitive equipment, one mysteriously becomes able to hear this difference even while listening to the newly enhanced hi-fi kit from three rooms away and under the shower...

    While it's obvious that there *is* quite a difference between a $300 hi-fi, and a $3000, most of the things above a, say, $5,000 threshold for a complete system (CD+pre+amp+speakers+interconnects) tend to cater more to your aesthetic senses than actually sound incrementally better. If the room you put this system in has not been modified in any way (i.e. if you stick the speakers in a wall mounted library 3" apart from each other etc.) cut the $5,000 by half at least. Same goes if you live in an apartment and you can't turn the knob on your 400W RMS amp higher than 1 without your neighbours threatening to evict you.

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  8. Re:I defy you... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can fix most quality problems with audio on
    your computer by carefully coloring the case of
    your hard drive with a green marker. Too many
    people give MP3s a bad rap because they don't
    know this simple tip.

  9. use 'shorten' - its lossless by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful
    if you really care about total audio quality, here's what you have to do:

    • encode your .wav's to shorten format.

    • play them back (after expending them, on-the-fly) to an spdif card such as the c-media 8738 or midiman series of s/pdif cards. alsasound supports the 8738 just dandy - better than the latest linux kernel does (sadly to say).

    • connect the s/pdif out on your sound card to a quality DAC (digital to analog converter) such as an audio alchemy DAC, as found used on ebay for cheap.

    • connect that DAC to your home stereo and enjoy.

    you'd be extremely hardpressed to tell the diff between a silver stamped cd going thru its audio chain and this setup as I described. in fact, my setup will be better, on average, since the audio alchemy (or even midiman) DAC will usually be better than the one built into your cd player.

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  10. Crossfade by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a plugin for XMMS called Crossfade that helps a lot with this. You have to fiddle with it a little to get acceptable results. If you're really picky the results may be noticable but I can listen to Zappa albums again without wanting to throw my machine through a window. It's on the plugins page at www.xmms.org.

  11. Factual Myths by Sara+Chan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's interesting to see so much written by someone who has obviously never listened. Let's look at the "myths" on the page that you cite:

    • Myth 1. Tube amplifiers are the best way to listen to music.

      Facts. Tube amplifiers tend to give a more realistic presentation of vocals and soundstaging--especially depth. If, due to your preferred music, that is what you most care about, then tube amps give great value for money.
    • Myth 2. Vinyl records are the best because they are analog while digital sampling ruins the sound.

      Facts. Simply listen on a good turntable: use your ears, and you will prefer vinyl. I have never met anyone who disagreed after actually listening. There are various theories as to why. (A) Vinyl has a greater dynamic range (you can hear ~20 dB into the hiss, which is ignored). (B) Vinyl allows much faster transients (the human ear detects up to 30 kHz, even though pure tones are inaudible above about 20 kHz). (C) Things related to Shun Mook and PWB (which seem to work, though I don't understand why). (D) etc.
    • Myth 3. CD doesn't have a low enough signal to noise ratio. The new DVD super audio is a huge improvement.

      Facts. This is really the same as above: CD has to throw away a lot of the information, especially getting rid of fast transients. The CD standard compresses music much more than DVD-A: so much so that the difference is audible (though "huge" might be exaggerated).
    • Myth 4. Equalizers are bad.

      Facts. Anything in the signal path will cause some unwanted distortion, and so should generally be avoided. This is truly obvious.


    In other words, the things claimed to be myths are largely true.


    There is nothing wrong with being ignorant. There is something wrong with pretending you're not and promulgating untruths.