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Still Suits and Body-powered Devices

Helmholtz writes: "Soon body powered devices may be a reality thanks to work being done at the Center for Space Power and Advanced Electronics, a NASA commercial center in Alabama. The article talks mostly about military and space applications, but I think it'd be really slick to make still suits, not to mention portable audio players, PDA, and even laptops that are powered by energy that we are generating anyway."

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  1. |energy harvesting" and urine(!) by Compact+Dick · · Score: 4, Funny
    Someone needs a new PR exec :-) But from the site [watch out for the pop-unders]:

    Urine-based fuel cell: Yes, you can turn pee into power...

    ...one attractive feature of this fuel cell concept is the production of water as a by-product of the system.


    Hmmm. Somehow I won't be beta-testing the reverse-engineered water...
    1. Re:|energy harvesting" and urine(!) by deglr6328 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But you already are. It's called the hydrologic cycle. Sure there are a few bugs to work out, but its extremely stable!

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  2. That's not new by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Soon body powered devices may be a reality"

    I have a Seiko kinetic on my wrist that tells me reality goes faster than Slashdot (and tells me the time too).

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  3. efficiency by TH4L35 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While these cool ideas are unfortunately under-researched (according to the article), it is pretty obvious that the energy efficiency of the items you wish to power is a more important research goal than how you power them, as greater efficiency will always have a benefit, while improved energy reclamation techniques may be limited in usefulness.

    IMHO, it is better to have efficient core business operations than a business/revenue model whose excessive burn rate losses are "balanced" by millions pop-up X10 video cam ads. The former model has greater inherent stability and therefore flexibility. While the latter is just plain annoying.

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  4. Re:Hmmm. by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, yes.

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  5. When no human is present... by nsample · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The ultimate irony is that "human powered devices" are often at a complete loss when there's no human present to power them. Some uber-entrepeneurs have actually come up with devices that provide power to human-powered devices that don't have their humans attached.


    http://chronocentric.com/watches/winders.shtml


    All the irony involved there makes me think I should just go with a battery in the first place. =)

  6. I can see it now ... by (void*) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at that hot chick over there ... overloaded and burnt out my Visor. Damn!

  7. they forgot... by psamuels · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's one I didn't notice in the article. How about sucking chemical energy from blood chemicals? Basically we're talking about a dialysis-like blood filter that pulls out stuff like glucose and fatty acids and does its own cellular respiration.

    Good for controlling your weight ... diabetes ... arteriosclerosis ... but bad for maintaining high energy and preventing chronic fatigue ... hmmm, maybe it isn't such a good idea. (:

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  8. It's already here, well, kinda. by mlafranc · · Score: 4, Informative
    Seiko has been selling it's Kenetic line for a few years, even coming up with the Auto-Relay line, supposidly keeping time for up to four years.

    Seiko has the only Quartz watch of this kind, afaik.

    However, self winding watches have been around for quite a while. Now, these watches don't run off body heat, sweat, brain waves or any else NASA might be thinking of, god knows. They work from adjustments in tilt, giving off enough power to build a reserve. Just getting out of the office chair and going for coffee, or off the couch and walking the dog, should be enough.

  9. I'm so excited! by BillyGoatThree · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I think it'd be really slick to make still suits..."

    That's right! Forget about flying cars, I wish for the day when I can drink tepid water harvested from my own sweat and urine!

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  10. Not that much energy from heat by Roger_Wilco · · Score: 4, Informative

    They claim that 81W are waiting to be harvested from a sleeping human. This is incorrect, due to Carnot's law (a thermodynamic law). Basically if we have a heat source at Th (the body) and a heat sink at Tl (the environment) the maximum possible efficiency is

    1- Tl/Th

    All temperatures must be in Kelvin (or Rankine). So for a human at 37C = 310K, with an environment at room temperature 20C = 293K, the best efficiency is

    1 - 293/310 = 5.5%

    If they can get 3% efficiency with current materials, they're already doing extremely well. At this efficiency a sleeping human, putting of 81W of heat, can only provide

    81W * 5.5% = 4.4W

    of usable energy. It's true that 4.4W can power a fair bit of energy-efficient technology, but they're starting with a lot less available energy than they claimed in the article.

  11. Not for me. by MarkusQ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't see why everyone things that devices that act like parasites would be cool to wear. If they are driven by the wind going by as you run, they will make it harder to run. If they are powered by the heat of your body, they will make it harder for you body to regulate its temperature (unless you live somewhere real cold). If they are powered by motion, they will make it harder to move. In short, you will have to work harder when you wear them, just as if they had a hand cranked generator.

    I fail to see why this doesn't sound like a royal pain in the end.

    -- MarkusQ

  12. wasteful, eh? by imaginate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did anyone else think that it was ironic that the article starts out by callin the human body an "inefficient, energy-wasting machine"?

    The energy we waste is orders of magnitude below any machine that humans have built; if we were to create a machine that did half of what the human body did with current technology, I guarantee you that it would lose a helluva lot more in heat than we do.

    Besides which, the heat that we generate makes possible our ability to keep chemical reactions going that are WORTH the heat expenditure. Sure, it may be wasteful to eat a thousand calorie meal to power us for six hours, but show me an mp3 player that can power itself off something so readily available as plant material or a loaf of bread before starting to argue that our ability to convert energy from diverse sources results in a wasteful process. In other words, I'd rather be able to be omnivorous and waste a lot of that energy than to need to be powered off electricity that can only come from sources like burned fossil fuel (and we waste a HUGE amount of energy when we harness that power).

    If you ask me, the human body is remarkably EFFICIENT, because of the elements it can use for power, and because the wasted energy that is derived from those elements is minimal in comparison to the waste from, say, and Athlon processor.

    What they're ACTUALLY doing in this article is trying to harness the efficiency of the human body, not its inefficiency. It's easier to feel a soldier an extra couple of peanuts a day and let them power all their devices than it is to try to use lousy, lossy batteries to do the same work.