MS Chief Security Officer to work for White House
NerveGas writes "An Interesting People message reports that Howard Schmidt, Microsoft's Chief Security Advisor, will be leaving MS to work as a security adviser for the White House. With the track record that Microsoft has in the area of computer security, this strikes me as a very bad move." CD: you'd think people would examine the job someone did at thier previous job before offering them a new one. Isn't this is like putting Capt. Hazelwood in charge of an oil tanker?
you'd think people would examine the job someone did at thier previous job before offering them a new one.
What you mean like the job GW did in Texas? This guy should fit right in.
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than one of the people involved in allowing the very exploits you want to exploit to exist in the first place?
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Was he responsible for all the holes in Microsoft code over the years? No? But you're going to hold him to that because... Or was that just another random MS flame? How do you figure you know anything about what this guy can or cannot do?
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I know how we all love to flame Microsoft, but if the guy was the head of MS Security, odds are he was an executive who never wrote a line of code.
He's guaranteed not to have anything to do with holes in MS products.
A better thing to look at would be how often was Microsoft's network hacked.
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Here's a guy who was working for the largest software monopoly in history and now works as security honcho for the most powerful government in history, with people like Ashcroft in it. Makes my nose bleed just thinking about it. The more I see what's happening in Micro$oft's giant sphere of influence, the more I'm glad to be a Linux user, that's for damn sure.
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Here is some info on Schmidt at microsoft.com. Looks like he has an admin-level job rather than a software engineering job. So I wouldn't blame him for how poorly coded Microsoft products are. He's involved with best practices on setting things up securely, not watching over programers making sure there's no buffer overruns in the code. Although administration and programming must overlap when it comes to real security there's only so much you can do if you're not deeply involved with the code.
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?
If the latter is the case, there is a good chance that this guy will follow the easy and obvious (to laymen) path and push Windows. After all, NT was created by someone with decades of experience and it is 'C4' certified (or whatever). It has zillions of security features, even more so than VMS, so how could it not be secure? And it is used by some of the most security conscious companies in the world. And what's good for Microsoft is good for America anyway. At least those will be the arguments that will likely be heard around the White House when issues about what software infrastructure the armed services and US government should use.
This will be followed by calls for keeping source code for criticial infrastructure under wraps, "like Microsoft is already doing", because "we don't want to give the terrorists the blueprints to our advanced technology". He'll probably preach the Microsoft mantra that open source is dangerous, unsafe, and un-American. And he'll likely conflate "security" RIAA style (fair use hijacking) with national security and point to how badly the RIAA and MPAA has been "hurt" by "security problems" resulting from "open source hackers" and how Microsoft, in contrast, keeps content "secure" and protects copyright holder's rights.
Altogether, this appointment is likely going to hurt open source efforts, as well as national information security.
Notice in the 1998 interview that he denies that viruses in mail attachments are a problem.
He was a security ADVISOR...
He could have given Microsoft all the advice in the world and if they were too lazy to implement the appropriate security measures it's not his fault.
Maybe the position at the government was his oppourtunity to get to a better place that would actually listen to him.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
As security advisor at Microsoft, his job presumably was to define policies that keep those holes from getting into the software and/or to keep Microsoft's sites secure. Microsoft's products are full of holes and their services have suffered major security compromises, so he can't have been very effective.
Since his new role will be similar in nature, it seems reasonable to suspect that he will be equally ineffective at defining national policies to protect our national security infrastructure.
Actually, no. Captain Hazelwood was drunk at the wheel before the accident. Apparently he was a fine captain when sober. Microsoft has bad security whether or not you consider them to be drunk.
See here for the kind of stuff this guy's going to be working on.
I haven't done any digging yet, but it is my assumption that as head of security he will be in charge of physical security policy at Microsoft installations: who has access to which rooms, and at what times of day. How many cameras to put in the bathroom stalls. How many parabolic surveilance microphones to hide in the trees. How many pits full of punji stakes, vipers and bear traps to place around the Redmond campus.
In other words, Big Brother stuff. Spook stuff.
That is what a chief security officer does in the traditional corporate environment. He will have an underling (or several) who handle electronic security for him. If he knows what's good for him he'll realize that he shouldn't try and play a game he knows nothing about, and he'll let his underlings have free reign.
Not that it will do any good, of course. As long as Microsoft uses its own software, it will always be vulnerable to the same exploits with which it burdens the rest of the world.
Among other things, the EULA at passport.com/Consumer/PrivacyPolicy.asp?lc=1033.NE T says: Passport will disclose personal information if required to do so by law or in the good-faith belief that such action is necessary to... Act under exigent circumstances to protect the personal safety of users of Microsoft, the .NET Passport Web Site, or the public.
.Net servers could be sifted and profiled in many fascinating ways by the intelligence community.
How interestingly broad, given that in light of recent terrorist activities any "exigent circumstances" could be said to be met as a matter of course. And there is no doubt that all the information that's bound to be stored on
Kinda makes you wonder how it all fits together, given the walk Microsoft got on the anti-trust case.
First off, being the white house I'm sure they throughly examined everything about him.. I had a friend apply for a fairly low position with the DoD and they interviewed his friends and family as well as giving him a lie detector test.
Secondly, this is hardly compareable to the Exxon Valdez thing..
Third who are you to say he did a bad job at MS?
Other then just taking at cheap shot as MS, you have no info about his job performance or even what he specifically did while working at "The Great Evil"
Maybe its just me, or maybe theres a reason you dont see chrisd listed in the hof anywhere..
"CD: You'd think people would examine what someone did at his previous job before offering him a new one." [Corrections to grammar and spelling added.]
It's all part of the same kind of thinking. Bomb Afghanistan to save it. (I'm talking about the first bombing by the U.S. government [1983], not the second and third.)
Hire someone from a company known for its inability to make secure software, and put him in charge of what his company always did poorly.
But, of course, maybe he is not really leaving Microsoft, but just working with a government that doesn't believe in privacy to assure that Microsoft software will always be compromised by the government.
Look on the bright side. With Microsoft in the White House, no one who truly wants software security will be running Microsoft products.
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To the best of my knowledge, NT got a C2 certification umpteen years ago. But (and I'm not making this up), It only achieved C2 when the disk drive was removed and the machine was not attached to any network
I don't think Microsoft attempted to brag about orange book certification since then.
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I think you're missing the point. Microsoft consistently releases buggy software and they publicly admit that yes, the UI experience comes before security. Sorry, but that's not for me. In addition, you've forgotten to list OpenBSD. Four years without remote hole in default install.
1. unauthorized user can autheticate.
2. denial-of-service attack
3. unauthorized user can read files
4. Inject HTML tags into the generated reports.
5. gain root access.
6. denial-of-service attack
7. execute arbitrary code when accessing RPM from untrustworthy source.
8. denial-of-service attack
9. gain root access
Every one of 1 through 9 above are stories about people who made mistakes.
The security problems in Microsoft products, are, in my opinion, not mistakes. They are the result of policies: 1) Only money matters. If you can make more money by being sloppy, then do it. 2) Release software with lots of known shortcomings so that people will want to pay for upgrades later. 3) Relate to your employees by pushing them.
Items 2, 3, 4, 6, and 8, more than half of those you mentioned, do not allow destruction to the system itself. One or more Microsoft security bugs that allow destruction to the system are announced on the average of every month, if I recall correctly.
I am not anti-Microsoft. I am more pro-Microsoft than Bill Gates. Microsoft is a company that has $30,000,000,000 dollars in the bank, instead of being used to clear up the problems in their products.
Today I spent about an hour of my Sunday helping a woman in Brazil clear her computer of the Badtrans worm. Billions of dollars are being wasted by very serious Microsoft bugs. The company is not worrying enough about the quality of its products, in my opinion.
I installed a security bug fix supplied by Microsoft to Internet Explorer on someone's computer last week, and the security bug fix put all the network settings back to least security. This has been going on for years. Microsoft knows this happens. It is a result of policy, not mistake. Why they do that, I don't know. Maybe it has been dictated by the U.S. government that Microsoft will make their systems insecure.
We have a problem on Slashdot that many people who read Slashdot don't work with Microsoft products enough to know how bad things really are.
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that he's not so much leaving microsoft as merely changing departments. it's all the same company isn't it?
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First, I'd like to comment that I'm posting this using AT&T Broadband... They didn't pay me to say this, but I expected to be net-less for a week, so I'm happy.
Second, MS's infmaous security record doesn't stem from "mishaps." It stems from their insistance on a very flawed set of models. "Drivers at Ring-0" and all that. Among the more popular flaws is in their VBA/VBS integration. Bad enough that These languages have access to the whole machine indescriminantly, but docments from untrusted sources now have access to your whole machine? How many times has this happened? It's not something that requires a patch, it requires a rewrite or complete removal as a feature.
Javascripting? Why are so many MSIE flaws handled best by disabling client-side scripting? Think about it -- same problem.
How about their insistance on installing "everything, even if you don't need it?" How many "Nimda" hosts are out there on machines where the owner didn't even know IIS was there? My brother said it best when he said that it was the equivalant of shipping a loaded pistol. It's not dangerous if you know how to use it and if you knew it was loaded, but then again anyone with a finger thinks they can handle a gun... ring true enough?
It's not that the company's popularity makes a common problem seem worse, it's the company's problem of prioritizing "cool stuff" over "secure stuff."
Microsoft's product line evolved from a single user application. Programmers on their product line are still in the mentality that if you're sitting at the console, their programs have sole access to the full resources of the computer. How many Windows application installs demand that you close down all other programs and reboot the system when you're done? How many of them actually need you to do that? How many times has some Windows program opened a modal dialog (Which in the historical past prevents the program from being minimized until you acknowledge the dialog) or worse, a system dialog? When was the last time you saw one on Linux? Completely different programmer mentality.
Sure Microsoft's been kludgeing user support into Windows for a while now, but they don't enforce its use. It'd take too long for them to explain to every user out there why they should have to log out and log in as the administrator in order to install that new game or those scanner drivers. Most Windows users are perpetually stuck in the running as root mode, despite years of sysadmin experience that dictates that you should never run as root. And Microsoft will never force them to create a user and use it because that would make them a little less user friendly and a little more like UNIX and that's not the direction they've taken.
BTW: Most Linux dists don't force you to create and use a user ID either, and it's a very common thing to see newbies running as root. They usually stop after the first or second time they manage to trash their entire damn filesystem. And you can never just tell them "Don't run as root -- 30 years of UNIX sysadmin experience can't be wrong!" They seem to have to learn by hard experience.
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"Howard Schmidt, Microsoft's Chief Security Advisor"
Sure, he gives advise. But nowhere did it say that they actually listen.
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Here's a starting point for you to consider: "The Orange Book C2 specification is for standalone, nondistributed computing environments and non-networked devices."
There's no security without physical security and a floppy/CD attached to a computer giving you a workaround from the single pathflow of username/password login to an ACL-controlled environment fails the C2 spec by default. No one brags about Orange Book certifications because no one enforces it because it's freaking useless in every conceivable work environment. No network + no disk drives == no sneakernet == why bother?
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MS tools may not be the best, but once that's what the White House has got, then choosing this guy to advise on security seems to me to be a sound decision, no question about that. But I don't think this move has much to do with White House security at all.
Now, call me paranoid if you wish, but when I read this piece of news I can't help but ask myself what is this individual really up to within the government structure. He's supposed to know MS security like very few people in the world. Wouldn't he be of great help for the Bureau in their desire to do funny stuff with everyone's machine? Or something along those lines? Reading the article we see that he's not going to do things like helping beef up thw WH website security, he will be working with a taskforce that has many ramifications, chaired by Richard Clarke.
From the article:
Clarke was named last month to head a new White House Office of Cyberspace Security that is to focus on developing a plan for protecting the nation's critical infrastructure.
That could mean a lot of things.
Uhm...free software has as many security problems as Windows. The difference is that Windows has 95% of the users, and so is a much bigger target.
I think /.'s criticism misses the point of what a corporate security officer does. This guy's job had nothing to do with bugs in Windows. Security officiers are generally not programmers or techies. They don't know anything about elliptic curve encryption or SYN cookies.
.exe email attachments, and that everyone's PC runs a daily virus scan.
Most large companies have security officers. They usually come from a law enforcement or military background. When you see the title "security officer", think Lieutenant Worf, not Wesley Crusher. The security officer is usually in charge of physical plant security, of running background checks on incoming employees, making sure the guards at the parking lot entrance check the right ID's, etc. Their involvement with computers may reach as far as directing that the company firewall filter out incoming
As far as I know, Microsoft didn't have serious problems of that nature, and that guy did perfectly well at his job. The pinhead marketroids who put all the vulnerabilities into Outlook were in a completely different jurisdiction, so to speak. So I don't have a problem with his going to work for the white house.