Is Hacking Cars a Thing of the Past?

PhotoGuy asks: "I went to install a remote car starter in our Honda last week, which used to be kind of an elegant hack (like a controlled hot-wiring of your car), only to find out that additional expensive parts and modules were required, due to the anti-theft system on the vehicle, where the car's computer would not let it start, unless it received the right code from the magnetic encoding on the key! In order to install a car starter, you have to actually put a spare key to the vehicle *in* the add-on module to let the car starter do it's thing. Yeah, that makes me more comfortable, leaving a key installed the remote car starter. That sucker went back to the store pretty quickly, that's way too much work, when a dealership can do it for me. Is the slight reduction in risk of theft of your vehicle, worth that much loss of freedom of choice and control?"

"Ever since electronic ignitions, and especially ones controlled by computers, it seems the "hackability" and user-maintainability of cars has been declining. Your neighborhood grease monkey can't do much to a modern car without a bunch of electronic gear interfacing to the car's computer. It's almost a little anti-competitive.

Carbeurators, and the other mechanical systems which were fairly standard and visible and self-evident, really seem to be the equivalent of "open source", while the new computer-based systems seem to be more closed and proprietary. I know in the early days of cars with computers, there were third party ROM upgrades for performance tweaking; I'm guessing that's falling by the wayside more and more, as these systems get more and more complex.

It almost seems like a Microsoft-like statement, to tell you they're doing all of this to reduce theft, while really they're doing it to ensure you are forced into coming back to their dealerships..."

Comments

People Still Use Car Alarms?

[Zapaanese.Whore]

Does anyone even use those things anymore?

I mean, let's face it, when you hear a car alarm go off, do you even *LOOK* in that direction? I know I don't.

And even if I saw someone with a jimmy, the hood up, wires sticking out and a .45 in his back pocket, would I do anything? Of course not. Why should I? It's not *MY* car.

All car alarms do now is annoy people.

Oh and give kids a something to throw snowballs at during winter ;)

- Z

Yeah, i'm pretty pissed off too...

[Wakko Warner]

I tried installing NetBSD on my car last week, only to find out the transmission in my Yugo is undocumented, and they won't tell me how to bootstrap the thing without having me sign an NDA first.

It's a shame, it really is.

Re:One hint

[redrouteone]

Officer I dont know what happened, I was driveing down the road and my windsheild turned blue with a bunch of words on it. Then there was big dent on my fender, but no other cars were around.

Re:Car security!

[Anonymous Coward]

Ah, so it's nice to know that you car is secure
with a fancy key required to start it, and yet
you leave the thing running in your driveway,
while you get ready for work!

There's some irony here somewhere, I'm sure.

AC

Re:My Car Alarm Idea...

[Anonymous Coward]

It would be cool if it started off in a low-key mode than got progressively more hysterical.

Phase 1: *sound of clearing throat then woman's soft voice* Can you sort of leave now before it gets worse for you?
Phase 2: *loud voice but not screaming* "OK, You were warned. Step away from the vehicle, NOW!"
Phase 3: *screaming in woman's voice* "Thief! Thief! Help! Thief!"
Phase 4: *screaming hysterically/shrieking* I'M BEING RAPED! I'M BEING RAPED! HEEEELLLPPP!! HE'S STICKING IT IN MY ASSSS!!! MY ASSSS!!!"

And so it goes.

Re:Car thieves have it all wrong....

[spud_daemon]

The most effective system would probably be to just remove the distributor cap, or a kludge to disconnect the battery easily. No car thief is gonna spend time under the hood finding out why the car won't start. Of course, you get bit on convienence issues. But you'll never have to concern yourself with car theft.

LOL, thats an interesting assesment. At a local car show I was near the security booth when one man came to report his 1969 camaro was stolen and he couldn't figure out how it was stolen since he had the rotor out of the distributor in his pocket. Literally within 5 minutes another man came in to report that someone stole the rotor out of the distributor on his chevy truck.

If theifs want it, they will take it. They are resourceful and will spend some time under the hood.

Re:other ignition technologies

[(H)elix1]

However, I challenge anyone to come up with a list of 10 legitamite reasons for drunk driving.

10) Natural selection?

Re:Evolution

[Jburkholder]

That's funny as hell, liked the tach redlining as the spedo strained to read 89mph.

Reminded me of the rice boy page.

Re:Car thieves have it all wrong....

[betis70]

It's called VC money.

Re:Audi Performance and Racing

[Nater]

I have far better torque and have beaten every vehicle (whether motorcycle, automobile, truck, or otherwise) off the line and out-paced it for the first 25 meters. Of course that's just in regular city traffic, but occassionally some punk in a fast car tries it. I also get infinite gas mileage. I drive a 1.15 horsepower Schwinn with a 24-speed manual transmission. I could turbocharge it, but I quit caffeine.

Cornering? Braking? 90 degree turn, 15 foot radius, 20 mph (on a daily basis using worn tires).

Re:other ignition technologies

[Anonymous Coward]

A friend once told me about someone he knew whos rear windshield wiper nozzle was broken and pointed back at other cars instead of the windshield. So when someone was close enough they chould just hit the spray and give the one behind them a good cleaning...

Re:"Loss of freedom and control"

[ethereal]

Good point. I forget, how many tire changes am I allowed before I have to call home and re-register?

Windows XP: it's basically like being on parole :)