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Chrysler Announces Hydrogen Fuel Cell Van

Juanfe writes: "Chrysler group announced a concept vehicle called the Natrium, powered by a sodium borohydride (NaBH4) engine developed by Millenium Cell. NaBH4 can be made from sodium borate -- basic borax, used in laundry detergent. MilleniumCell is a US Company that, not surprisingly, has made strategic agreements with major borax purveyors in the US (which just happens to be thought of as the largest borax reserve in the world). Could this be the start of the end of big oil and the start of the start of big Borax?" superflippy points out that Chrysler's press release is related to the Electric Vehicle Association of the Americas (EVAA) Electric Transportation Industry Conference 2001.

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  1. Electric Vehicles -- The Big Lie by Bud+Dwyer · · Score: -1, Troll

    I've always thought of myself as an ardent supporter of the Earth. I'll never forget my six years spent cavorting around Berkely, stoned out of my mind, singing environmentalist folk songs and such.

    All that said, I can no longer tolerate the Electric Vehicle fraud being perpetuated by my environmentalist brethren. Whether out of ignorance, or sheer, Judas-like greed, I am seeing more and more supposedly pro-environment types buying into the big corporate Lie. Do you really think these big corporations (Ford, Chrysler, etc.) would support EV if they were good for the environment? Being a good earth-steward and being a greedy-capitalist are, and always will be, antithetical.

    Let me lay it out for you. EV do more harm to the environment than the Internal Combustion engine could even imagine. (Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the automobile no matter what powers it.) Producing the toxic substances (borate, in this case. Borate!) used in fuel cells entails spewing thousands of liters of Earth-murdering by-products. And what happens when a car powered by a borate fuel cell gets in an accident? (I'll leave that to your imagination.)

    And that's before we get to the real problem. These electric vehicles still need to be powered by electricity! Can you fucking believe the nerve of corporations to suggest that we should use vehicles that rely on unnatural power production of any kind--and then call it "environmentally-friendly"? That's just unacceptable! Also, I'd strongly caution everybody against buying an EV, purely for economic reasons. Once we get a pro-Earth president in office (Gore/Lieberman 2004, baby!!) and stop circumventing the Kyoto protocol, your EVs will turn into so much scrap-metal with no environment-killing artificially generated electricity to power them.

  2. Re:End of Big Oil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    If electric cars are feasible and better than gasoline powered cars why don't you stop whining and bring an electic car to market.

    Pretty soon people will be posting irrational comments about how you keep rubber band powered cars off the market to protect your monopoly.

  3. Re:Get over 'Dubya's Oil folks' stuff by NoData · · Score: 2, Troll

    Have you seen the gas prices lately? They're cheaper than they were during the Clinton administration.

    This has absolutely zero to do with who is or was president. If you don't think our fearless leaders are in bed with big oil then you are the one who is blind to "FACTS".

  4. Re:Typical tree hugger tripe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    No... typical slashdot troll, obvious yet someone always falls for it.

  5. Re:what i really want to know.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What I really want to know is how much of a flaming faggot you are.

  6. An article from 6 years ago: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    The sight of my wife Paula riding up and down on Tim's dick while
    facing me was just unbelievable ! I could no longer idly sit by as a
    voyeur , I had to join in the activities and soon . I had an incredible
    hard-on that just had to be satisfied .( Male readers of this tale will
    understand what I mean when I say that this was not just your everyday
    erection but one of those great big blue veined throbbing jobs, that
    literally hurt from the pressure within ! ) . Quickly stripping off my
    clothes I stepped across the room to stand before my wife . I held my
    dick up to her face as she greedily devoured the head , wrapping her lips
    around it and sucking on it lasciviously . As she was supporting herself
    by her hands as she rode Tim's tool she could not grab hold of my dick at
    all . I helped out by stroking my shaft with one hand while her lips
    remained glued around the head , in effect I was masturbating into her
    mouth . What a feeling ! The position we all were in was not the most
    comfortable and required a degree of athleticism which couldn't be
    maintained for too long . " Why don't we all get on the bed " I said " So
    we can enjoy each other more completely " Paula nodded without removing
    her lips from my cock and Tim grasped her around the hips and lifted her
    bodily upwards, still with his dick buried in her cunt ,carrrying her over
    to our bed .
    We arranged ourselves on top of the bed clothes with Tim laying on
    his side still fucking her from the rear while I lay down in front and
    pushed my dick between her cunt lips rubbing the head against her clitoris
    . After a minute or so Tim obligingly withdrew his prick and allowed me
    access to Paula's pussy ,I thrust in as deeply as I could while he was
    rubbing his dick between her cheeks . We eventually established a rhythm
    with each of us alternating every thirty seconds or so plunging into her
    cunt while the other rubbed his dick against her anus or clit . I guess
    you could call it " Synchronized Sex ". Whatever you call it the feeling
    was awesome ! I had never before engaged in a double fuck and I was
    almost certain that Paula hadn't either . She was practically purring
    like a kitten at the sensation of having two pricks servicing her at the
    same time . Tim's arms were around her fondling her tits while I kissed
    her passionately .The way her tongue responded to mine indicated how
    turned on she was , this was certainly not the demure woman she usually
    appeared to be .
    Screwing in this fashion does not allow for the utmost
    penetration into a womans vagina and I knew from years of experience that
    Paula loved long slow and deep strokes whenever we made love . I moved
    back wards and rolled her onto her belly then pushed a pillow beneath her
    hips raising them so that Tim could give her the kind of fucking she
    craved . Tim seemed to instinctively know exactly what to do, as he pulled
    all the way out of her cunt before slowly sliding in as deep as he
    possibly could . I knew also that she loved clitoral stimulation during
    sex so I slid my right hand under her belly and massaged her clit while
    Tim ploughed away . Sooner or later somebody had to be the first to come
    and again it was Tim . " I'm going to come again " he gasped between
    thrusts into my wife's delicious honeypot . Paula looked back over her
    shoulder and said " OK , go ahead , but this time you're not coming
    inside me ! " . Tim obligingly pulled out at the last minute and ,grasping
    his dick in his hand , he came profusely after just a few strokes . He
    ejaculated all over her rear end as his prick spurted and jerked in his
    second orgasm of the evening . Paula once more reached for the Kleenex
    that night ,as looking over her shoulder she handed the box over and said
    to Tim , " This time you get the clean up detail Tim !" He carefully wiped
    the semen from her backside and paying special attention to the inner
    labia and around the entrance to her vagina he gently wiped away all
    traces of his lust. There it was at last !visual evidence of the fantasy
    I had nurtured for many years , as Paula was finally fucked by another
    man as I watched literally open mouthed .
    I could sense from the expression on her face that she was eager
    to enjoy her own orgasm and needed to be satisfied post haste. Pulling her
    on top of me I slid my dick into that familiar territory I knew so well .
    I had experienced a number of women in my life but none had a pussy that
    felt as good as Paula's and now the feelings seemed to be intensified as
    she sat back and ground herself against my pubic bone . The end of my
    prick was battering her cervix each time I thrust upwards to meet her
    downward plunge . Not willing to sit by unoccupied while we rutted away at
    each other ,Tim kneeled behind her and caressed her tits with one hand
    while the other slid down to her pussy and massaged her clit vigorously .
    The extra stimulation was all that was needed to bring on her climax . She
    leaned back against Tim while biting her lips and shaking her head from
    side to side as she murmured "Mmmmmmmm , that's good , that is soooo
    fucking gooooood !!! " Her whole body quivered and shook, as her orgasm
    reached a crescendo of erotic intensity . Then ever so slowly ,while
    twitching and shivering , her body retreated from it's sexual pinnacle
    as she lay back cradled in Tim's arms . I regret that I couldn't time my
    own orgasm to coincide exactly with hers but I wanted her to enjoy her
    most carnal desires without interruption . My climax was fast approaching
    and now I thrust in as deep as I could while erupting within her . The
    release as I came was exquisite , as I pumped the entire contents of my
    balls into her love grotto . Exhausted from all our sexual gyrations Paula
    lay down across my chest and hugged and kissed me while whispering in my
    ear "Was I naughty enough for you dear !" I couldn't say a word and just
    nodded and hugged her closer to me .
    We lay there together for some time just luxuriating in the
    sensation of consummated group sex ,then Paula got up and grabbed Tim by
    the hand ,saying "Come on Tim let's go and get cleaned up together ."
    They disappeared into the bathroom and I could hear the sound of the
    shower being turned on and adjusted . Curiosity overcame me and I wandered
    over to the bathroom door to see what was going on. The sexy lingerie lay
    on the floor while a completely naked Paula was nonchalantly sitting on
    the toilet pushing my semen out of her , while Tim watched her ablutions
    .It seemed as if she had unleashed a totally wanton streak within herself
    that evening and no action was too extreme for her to take in front of him
    . After she had finished she stepped into the shower with Tim. Our
    bathroom shower could accomodate two people easily but was a little too
    small for three ,thus I had to be content with observing from without . I
    couldn't really see what was happening through the frosted glass doors
    but there appeared to be a great deal of mutual lathering and
    intertwining of bodies with hands exploring various body parts .They must
    have been in there almost fifteen minutes before the shower was turned off
    and they stepped out . " Jeez , what were you both up to in there ? " I
    said . Paula smiled archly and replied " Nice girls don't tell ! " Tim
    wore a sheepish expression . I was damned certain he couldn't have got it
    up again in such a short time but I wasn't as certain about Paula with
    her newly released libido working overtime . Tim wrapped a large towel
    around Paula and began to dry her all over , although he seemed to spend
    an inordinate amount of time drying between her legs .
    I took my own shower and when I emerged and had dried off went
    back into the bedroom . There I found Tim and Paula back in bed curled up
    under the sheets . " I invited Tim to stay the night " she said " Is
    that OK with you? " Hell ,what could I say ? I was the one that had
    initiated this whole session . I had figured we could talk some after Tim
    had left but that would have to be postponed for now . I climbed into bed
    from my usual side with Paula in between us as we all curled up together.
    It had been a long evening and we all were tired , sometime shortly
    thereafter we must have drifted off to sleep ......

  7. Re:End of Big Oil? by Rothfuss · · Score: 0, Troll


    While this fuel-cell uses borax derivatives

    Did you even read the article? It is a hydrogen fuel cell. The sodium borohydride is simply a storage bin for hydrogen. That statement was like saying "While this automobile uses a gas tank derivative..."

    I can't believe you were modded 5 for that...

    -Rothfuss

  8. Big Oil is murdering your unborn children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Humor me for a second while we're on the subject of "Big Oil". For the moment, accept the following, or peruse the following links until satisfied:

    1. Industrialized society is absolutely dependent on oil.
    2. There are no conventional rewewable energy sources that can replace oil.
    3. World peak production of oil will occur in the next 10 years.

    Industrialized society will collapse and billions will starve trapped inside a system that cannot support them. The horrifying truth is that this future is more acceptable to the powers that be than the alternative. Like people trapped in a gas chamber (industrial world) the oxygen (oil) is running out and the strong (rich) are on the top getting the last few gasps crushing the people below them. The few would rather have billions die than risk losing control. For most educated people presented with these ideas the situation would appear hopeless. Here we are at the beginning of the 21st century addicted to a drug that is both destroying our environment and enslaving us, yet absolutely essential for continued survival. And the supply is running out never to be replaced. Perhaps the end of civilization will mirror the collapse of a star, burning progressively heavier nuclei in a futile attempt to stave off gravitational collapse. Indeed this outcome would be easier to accept than alternative. The "alternative" requires you to accept a new and shocking paradigm summed up in the following statement:

    * Closed systems do not exist.

    Everything in the universe is freely exchanging energy at all times. The challenge is to figure out how to channel and direct this energy. This problem was solved by Nicola Tesla (and many others) but supressed or simply ignored by the mainstream. The Western mind only sees what it EXPECTS to see, not what is actually there. As proof that closed systems are an illusion and a crutch, consider the common refrigerator magnet stuck to a refrigerator. This closed system will remain static for an indefinite period of time with no energy input. This should already be setting off alarm bells. How can a magnet constantly attract and defy gravity in its attempts to pull it to the floor??? If the magnet was glued to the refrigerator it would be easier to accept as a physical bond would exist to support the magnet. No such bond exists besides the field of the magnet. A field that is governed by the same laws of thermodynamics that insure that entropy in a closed system will increase over time. This is not the case and the system will remain in equilibrium for many years with no apparent outside influence. This is a baffling mystery that has yet to be solved by mainstream physics. So how does the magnet stay put?

    Since closed systems do not exist, clearly energy is coming from somewhere to replenish the field. But this isn't normal energy. The energy coming into replenish the field actually REDUCES entropy. How would this be detectable? Conventional electricity flowing through a conductor will lose some of its energy in the form of heat. Any time there is a flow there will be some resistive loss (thermodynamics again). Some materials when cooled sufficently loss their resistance to flow, and become superconductors and do not loss energy. Now, if this new type of energy were to flow through a conductor the most obvious side effect would be a DECREASE in temperature.

    Now this is preposterous, how can energy travel through a lossy conductor yet GAIN energy from its travel? No idea. It's weird stuff and there really aren't any textbooks on it. We do know that this energy will run electric motors and light bulbs just fine though. There appears to be an infinite amount of this energy available free for the taking. For a much more indepth explaination check out this and for a $75 demonstration of this "cold" current that you can build yourself check out this. Please don't be turned off by my meandering slightly schizo style. It's VERY difficult to talk about this stuff and not look like a crack pot. Kind of like talking about heavier than air flight before the Wright brothers. But things are beginning to fall apart and we need to begin the process of switching from under unity lossy systems to over unity energy systems. If this switch over is not successful, billions will die. I encourage you to educate yourself and become involved in the revolution. This is a unique time, the fate of civilization depends on what you do right now.

    So don't fuck up, I kind of want to see the good side win for a change.