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Broadband Alternatives to WebTV?

tlon asks: "A friend recently approached me asking if there are any hardware alternatives to WebTV that allow for high speed internet access. For the unaware, WebTV is a dial-only solution, and does not allow for broadband. While there are several promising digital dish solutions cropping up, I've found none that leverage high speed cable networks. What set-top solutions are available for the computer illiterate consumer that allow access via a broadband network (aka Cablemodem). Perhaps some of these solutions leverage Linux on the back end?"

25 comments

  1. Yow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  2. Forget surfing the internet from your TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The interface is going to always be clunky.

    Get DSL or cablemodem and buy a PC (or Mac). Experience the web the way it was meant.

    Through telnet.

    1. Re:Forget surfing the internet from your TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. It is much more sane to ask how to watch TV on a computer monitor. The screen you have in your living room should be a large computer monitor. Then you can watch TV, surf the web, and in the near future expect an open-source PC-based TiVo-like recorder if you'd accept to have a cheap tower with a large HDD running next to your TV.

    2. Re:Forget surfing the internet from your TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that the internet is about a lot more than just the web!

      That's what I never could understand about set top boxes. I don't want to be stuck with just web browsing and e-mail.

    3. Re:Forget surfing the internet from your TV by hether · · Score: 1

      But what if you're someone who DOES just want email and web browsing? Some people do you know. And the TV type option, with a remote, seems a lot more comfortable for the technologically impaired.

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    4. Re:Forget surfing the internet from your TV by Hector73 · · Score: 1

      Actually, its surprising enjoying to sit back on a couch or in bed and surf the web.

      WebTV -> The greatest porn finding machine ever invented.

  3. Do the GOATSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  4. First JonKatz Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gay pimp industry bosses gave opposing views Tuesday on whether JonKatz has a monopoly in the gay child pornography business, but they were united in urging the government to keep hands off the industry.

    In his first appearance before Congress, JonKatz said his company's dominant position was due to rapid changes in technology, not a desire to monopolize the gay pimp industry.

    "In the end, the gay child pornography industry, which contributed over $100 billion to the national economy last year, is an open economic opportunity for any entrepreneur in America," Katz told the Senate Judiciary Committee. Government control would only restrict innovation, he said.

    Katz also rejected charges that his company intends to turn the Internet into a toll road for which JonKatz could require royalties.

    "We have no plan to use our gay child porno browser ... to charge any type of transaction fee," he said.

    "When people come to a site of ours, like boys4men.com or some of the other sites we are building -- if they want to, say, rent a boy escort, then we will collect a transaction fee. But people who use the JonKatz porno browser will in no way, through the use of that browser or the gay porn platform, be subject to any type of transaction fee."

    JonKatz likened to Pac Man
    Committee chairman Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, opened the hearing by noting that JonKatz's "breathtaking growth ... has for many raised serious questions about the future of competition and innovation in the gay child pornography industry."

    Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin, was more pointed.

    "Mr. Katz, no one -- no matter how powerful-- is above the law," he said. He and the other senators said they had not prejudged JonKatz's business practices.

    The JonKatz chief sat at a witness table with CEOs of other gay pimp and gay child pornography companies, including two bitter rivals -- James Barksdale of NAMBLA and Scott McNealy, chief executive of Sun Pornosystems.

    "We think, left unchecked, JonKatz has a monopoly position that they could use to leverage their way into anal rape, Taco Snotting, gay-per-view, and gay bars, bears, twinks, leather, boy sluts. You name it," McNealy said.

    "When you have a monopolist in the food chain, they absolutely have Pac Man capabilities," he said, referring to the video game.

    Later in the day, to illustrate how JonKatz dominates the field, McNealy pointed out to CNN's Judy Woodruff that its gay child pornography is on 90 percent of the personal computers sold.

    "Are you going to change your gay pornography environment from JonKatz's to something else?" he said rhetorically.

    "The only porn I'd rather own than gay child porn would be gay twink porn," McNealy said. "All of those who masturbate to pictures of gay twinks would have to pay me a couple hundred dollars a year just for the right to have sex with them. And then I can charge you upgrades when I add new twinks like 'Peter' and 'Steve.' It would be a wonderful business."

    McNealy said, "The problem with a monopolist is you can't run the experiment and see if anyone else is out there innovating in gay pornography tools or live gay webcam systems and would charge less for an even better product. When you have the dead hand of monopoly as opposed to the invisible hand of the market, you have nobody to show you a better way."

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    When all the hands went down, Barksdale turned to the Senate panel and said, "Gentlemen, that is a monopoly."

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    While Katz and his rivals disagree intensely about JonKatz's business tactics, they are like-minded on one point: Government should impose no new regulations on the Internet or the gay child pornography business in general.

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    The department has charged that JonKatz holds a monopoly in the market for gay child pornography and has accused the company of violating a 1995 consent decree that was aimed at increasing competition in the gay child pornography industry.

    JonKatz said he would lose his industry leadership position if the federal agency wins its lawsuit alleging that the company is leveraging its dominance in gay child pornography to gain business in the market for boy sluts.

    1. Re:First JonKatz Monopoly by Guns+n'+Roses+Troll · · Score: -1

      Even though you're an AC pussy, that was a funny sed'd story. Get an account to post that stuff and you'll be good.

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  6. Spread that Christmas Cheer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  7. They used to have broadband WebTV's by qurob · · Score: 0

    In a few hotels. Think it was just test markets though. Each room had a WebTV on Ethernet, and a T1 or whatever went to the hotel. Maybe you could scoop one of those boxes up and rig it up to a Linksys router?

  8. AOL Set Top Box by Ledge · · Score: 1

    http://extratv.warnerbros.com/dailynews/cool/06_01 /aoltv.html

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  9. Saw a story about this the other day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Wired ran an article about this, while it was primarially centered around the failure of internet appliances such as the I-Opener, ePods, Audrey, Sony eVilla and Virgin Webplayer, it offered some good insight into the future of web devices and broadband.

    A portable web tablet or accesing the web through HDTV never looked cooler, just a shame no one is making a profit doing it.

  10. Dish PVR 701 by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sometime in Jan-Feb 2002, DishNetwork will be releasing it's new set-top box, the DishPVR 701. It will be a TiVo like unit with webtv functionality built-in. It will have HD outputs (it's key selling bullets) as well as ethernet connectivity, a 120 gb hard drive, possibly have USB ports, AND will be linux-powered.

    Preorders being taken

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  11. 3com Audrey by cymen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out the Audrey but it was end of lifed by 3Com so yadda yadda. TigerDirect.com was selling them off for $100 so you can probably pick one up on eBay. You'll need a USB network adapter. The Audrey runs QNX and can be upgraded. TigerDirect has some other interesting devices too (like some MSN thingy right now?) so look around there.

    Unfortunately surplus seems to be the best bet as no sane company is producing such devices at this time... AFAIK, YMMV, etc etc etc (god I hate this stupid disclaimers)

    free rant:
    Why do we feel the need to use all these disclaimers? Shouldn't any intelligent person recognize that anything one says is ones opinion unless it is explicitly backed up by fact? Wouldn't we just note the facts and if no notation is made there are no facts so it is obviously a personal opinion? Does this have something to do with the lawyers? Argh!

  12. Get an IPAQ IA-1 and USB ethernet adaptor by Llama+Keeper · · Score: 2

    For Christmas I am getting both sets of Grandparents and Compaq IA-1 w/ USB ethernet adaptor and a DSL connection. This way they get e-mail and the ability to surf the web without calling me 2 to 11 times a day for tech support like with a PC. I picked the boxen up for $99 a pop from Tiger Direct last weekend. Just got then yesterday. They are sweet little instant on devices. Get one if you can.... or e-mail me I'll sell yah my last 2.

    LLAMA

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  13. nasty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tacosnot all over my face!

  14. dreamcast? by toast0 · · Score: 2

    well... you could get a dreamcast with a broadband adapter (good luck finding a broadband adapter for a decent price, but...) and with the proper browser disk (some are downloadable) you could use that to surf the web.... and play video games when you get bored of the web

  15. NIC by Gill+Bates · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the NIC. It's a relatively inexpensive 'internet appliance' that runs Linux off the CD-ROM.

  16. Why WebTV is worthless junk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've used TV's for displays before. The resolution is truly awful. (Well below the old VGA standard of 640x480.)

    Why you can browse the web on a TV, don't expect to be able to read anything.

    Either get a LCD display based unit, or get a cheap low-end linux computer with a half-decent monitor. (Estimated cost: Less than $100 including the monitor, harddrive, ram, computer, keyboard, mouse, case, network card, etc.)

  17. x-box??? by ryusen · · Score: 1

    well not really, but i think that's where ms is headed with x-box... it's already got the pc internals, a striped down os, an ethernet connecor... it just needs software really (.net??)
    ingenious really... if you're willing to wait a few years... heck sony might be doing the same with ps3...

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  18. Doomed with the dotcom crash.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to work for an unspecified dotcom on something like that, except even better.

    They have since gone under. Which is too bad, because it was a cool project.

  19. Snot-band alternatives to SnotTV? by The+WIPO+Troll · · Score: -1
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  20. PS/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just tell him to wait for the PS/2 Broadband Adaptor that's slated for release next Christmas.