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Universal to Copyprotect All CDs

angkor wrote in with a link to a story about how Universal Plans to copyprotect all CDs which will render them unplayable on Macs, DVD Players, PS2s, and some CD Players. And it won't even stop people from ripping MP3s I bet.

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  1. Obvious solution to this by damieng · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't buy em.

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    1. Re:Obvious solution to this by bricriu · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, keep a watch on Fatchuck's Corrupt CD list to tell you what batches to avoid and who to contact.

      I've made my call to the Federal Trade Commission. Have you?

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    2. Re:Obvious solution to this by rbgaynor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Better to buy them and return them as defective - that way Universal gets grief from their retail outlets as well as seeing their sales drop.

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    3. Re:Obvious solution to this by TheAngryMob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Won't this just increase piracy?

      Think about it. If I want to hear Twisted Wet Noodle's lastest single "Geriatric Cheerleader" and I can't play it on over half the devices in my house, guess where I'm gonna turn?

      MP3's are becoming the only way to play on all forms of players (including DVDs).

      Do all companies have this kind of disrespect for their customers? I really hope not.

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    4. Re:Obvious solution to this by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Informative
      > But then they'll have teeth behind the SSSCA.

      Funny you should mention that.

      Quoth Wired: "Jack Valenti predicts that Congress will require copy-protection controls in nearly all consumer electronic devices and PCs."

      Quoth Tackhead: "Jack Valenti can take a long, hard suck on my arse."

      The scary part is the article's title: "A Call to End Copyright Confusion". I don't see any confusion. I'm sure Jack isn't confused either.

      Right now, ripping is legal. Distributing ripped MP3s isn't. Jack wants to make sure that ripping is also illegal, so he can sell us the same movie twice - once on DVD, and once on our PC. Just like Hilary wants to sell us the same music twice - once on copy-crippled CD, and once-per-listen on our PCs.

      The other scary quote from the Wired article: "'I am openly, unabashedly in support of the government stepping in to set standards,' said Preston Padden, head of government relations for Disney."

      1) Head of government relations. Nice title for your business card. That's right. Walt Disney, the cute little mouse company, has a position that might as well be called "Ambassador". No fucking wonder they get the copyrights on the Rat extended on demand. They've fucking got an embassy.

      2) The word "standards", and all that implies.

      I think we can see the spin for SSSCA right now. Existing copyright laws are somehow confusing. Existing copy control technologies are broken because they're not standardized across all devices. We therefore resolve the "confusion" by having the government adopt Jack and Hilary and Mickey's "standard" in all devices.

      If you make hardware that doesn't meet the standard, you're guilty of making things "confusing" for the consumer, and nobody will buy your product. (And men with guns, "empowered" by the new law, will "protect the consumer" by taking your hardware off the market.)

    5. Re:Obvious solution to this by ArtDent · · Score: 5, Informative

      You missed the really scary quote from that article:

      Disney's Padden wasn't buying it. "There is no right to fair use," Padden said at the event. "Fair use is a defense against infringement."

      Need we say more?

    6. Re:Obvious solution to this by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A better way to protest: go to your favorite record store, find the copy-protected CDs, and place a big red DEFECTIVE/NONSTANDARD sticker on each one. Then see how well they sell ;^)

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  2. well shit by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I guess I'll have to download all my music now so I can play it on my home mp3 stereo, since I won't be able to rip them.

    I'd like to pay for my music, but I'm not going to buy a product I can't use!

    Oh well, I don't like the music industry anyway... I've been listening to more non-mainstream music...

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  3. This will stop people Ripping Mp3's... by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Au contrare!

    If anything, any time I see a post on Usenet of Mp3's from a CD that is supposedly copy protected, the poster usually takes great pains to brag discuss the fact that he was able to rip despite copy protection.

    Really, I think that even the record industry didn't expect the various copy protections to really work. What they're doing is building an easily hackable content protection system so that they can prosecute MP3 traders under the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.

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  4. To quote, the REAL problem... by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Others point to lackluster sales of hotly anticipated new releases from artists like Mariah Carey and Macy Gray, and the glut of look-alike, sound-alike boy bands.

    There you have it, instead of letting true musical diversity create authentic, viable fan bases, the music industry has locked itself into the failing practice of top-down music manufacturing...reminiscent of a Soviet state capitalism that never worked either.

    Maybe one day when a free market for music exists again, people will care.

    1. Re:To quote, the REAL problem... by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Someone mod that up as "insightful".

      I liked this terror-scenario from the article:

      Such rules let consumers enjoy music on an array of consumer electronics devices -- from PCs to portable players. But it would discourage 15 high school friends from getting together and pooling their money to buy a single music CD and a spindle of blank discs and making dubs for everyone in the group -- with a few extras to sell at school.
      Speaking for myself, I don't want to keep the kids from copying the bubble-gum stuff and throwing it all around the school. I want the market for that to dry up, because the whole concept of a manufactured youth-culture is destructive to society as a whole and it deserves to be destroyed.
  5. Buy it, open it, return it. by msuzio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's insure this prediction turns out to be untrue :-). I say we all make sure to buy and return this sucker, preferably in a coordinated effort targeted on a certain day...

    What idiots... we long ago ceased being "customers" to them, now they just expect us to roll over and play dead. Forget that.

    ``They've been testing this in Europe and they're experiencing less than a 1 percent return rate from consumers. It really has turned out to be nothing,'' said Jerry Kamiler, TransWorld Entertainment's division merchandise manger. ``If we get the same results here, as I imagine we would, I don't think it's going to manifest itself into a consumer problem.''

  6. Use their best weapon against them by WaIter+Bell · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I purchased one of these copy protected CDs without knowing that it was defective merchandise, and the store I bought it from will not accept the return since the music was opened. Since I paid cash, I have no right of appeal.

    However, I am fed up with this charade and I would like to end it once and for all. I have the paperwork in front of me to take Universal Records to small claims court to recover the purchase price of the CD. Since Universal is not based in my area, it will be very expensive for them to send their high-priced lawyers to my county to deal with the charges. And, worst case, I will lose the cost of the CD (and best case, I will get a refund on the CD and make a political statement at the same time).

    I strongly encourage all of you to do the same thing: buy whatever CDs you want, and sue the record labels if they are copy protected. Even if most of the cases get thrown out, it will be *very* expensive for the labels to take any sort of action against the thousands of individuals who are suing them.

    The RIAA has been able to manipulate the legal system into standing up for their rights. Why shouldn't we do the same thing back to them?

    ~wally

    1. Re:Use their best weapon against them by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't have to go to Universal to complain. You sue Best Buy. I can't remember the legalese, but basically, they agree that the merchandise is fit for a given use. It wasn't. They misrepresented the product. You win.

      Now, Best Buy can now sue the distributor, essentially under the same grounds. (and it keeps going up the food chain from there).

      But you have no cause of action directly with Universal. Only with Best Buy. It's kinda like Windows Refund Day: no cause with M$, but with the seller of the product.

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    2. Re:Use their best weapon against them by kreyg · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, since there's NO WAY you could have copied it, because it is COPY PROTECTED, there's no reason they shouldn't accept a return.

      :-)

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  7. heck no by _avs_007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't settle for in-store-credit... Demand a full refund for 1 of two reasons...

    1.) The thing is labeled as CD Digital Audio (CDDA), which is in violation of logo, because in order to be CDDA, it must be red-book compliant, (or whatever book it is), and this copy protected CD is most definately NOT compliant.

    2.) The CD is "defective" because it is labeled as CDDA, but does not play in a CDDA compliant player, ie my DVD player, my computer, etc etc.

  8. Universal *will* honor refunds by count_dooku · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:

    Universal told retailers that it would honor refunds on all returned discs -- even for CDs that have been opened.

    This is great news. If you believe copy-protected discs are wrong, just buy one, open it, and return. In fact, buy 50 of them, open them all, then return them. If enough people do this, maybe Universal will get the message.

    If you want to be even more eeeeeeeeevil, you could open it, rip it via line out, post the ripped tracks to newsgroups, then return it.

    They asked for it.

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  9. Maybe the music sucks! by HardCase · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What just kills me about the recording industry's whining about a drop in domestic (US) sales is that the whole thing is blamed on piracy.


    What about the quality of the music that's being released? Did Universal, BMG, Sony, et al ever stop to wonder if part of the problem is that they're churning out bands that are carbon copies of each other? Do we really need more "boy bands" or breathy, heartbroken beauty queens? It's just like TV...as soon as Survivor became a hit, every network had to have a clone...but now that the market is saturated, ratings are terrible.


    Oh, and what about the economy? I'll bet that if you're one of the million or so high tech workers who doesn't have a job anymore, buying the latest Brittany Spears CD is probably way down on your list, below, say groceries!


    Piracy is always an easy card to play, and not just for the music industry. It's a whole lot easier it blame some kid with a ripper, a burner and a fast Internet connection for destroying their market than it is to realize that the industry itself, by churning out disc after disc of bubble gum flavored dreck, is killing itself.


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  10. Oh yeah, for every Slashdot reader by Myself · · Score: 5, Informative

    there's a whole bucketload of ignoramii who won't hear about this unless we tell them.

    SPREAD THE WORD. Evangelize at your local record store. Bring it up in conversation. Dangle CDs from your car mirrors and prepare a 10-second explanation that you can deliver at stoplights. Tell your aunt blabbermouth, make sure she's got the facts straight, then let gossipnet take over.

  11. Re:history repeats itself by FFFish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The difference being, back in the 80s-90s, the publishers weren't on the hunt, prosecuting the crackers and pirates. They didn't have the wonderful DMCA and SSCA backing them up. They didn't spend more money on lawyers than they did on creating good content. And they didn't see the writing on the wall.

    What we're witnessing is a rat backed into a corner. RIAA recognises that its days are numbered, and it's doing every goddamn thing it can to fight its way out of the corner.

    It's beyond mere music piracy. They could live with piracy: they always have.

    It's to the point where they can see that artists are going to go independent. And so they're desperately trying to invent a reason for artists to stay with them. "Music protection" seems to be the salespitch they've chosen.

    But they're doomed anyway.

    Artists don't need the megaexpensive recording studios. These days, most anyone can set up a decent studio for a relatively small investment.

    Artists don't need the megaexpensive advertising. These days, anyone can gain popularity via web media. Fansites, mailing lists, word of mouth: it's worked before, it's working now, and it's hella cheaper than MTV.

    Artists don't need the distribution chain. They can post to the web. As soon as a good payment system comes along, where the artist can be paid directly and receives most of that payment, the distribution chain is toast.

    And artists have recently begun to discover that they can sell out concerts via the net. There's no need to for the megapop media orgy that the old-style companies provided. Word of mouth is doing it.

    The writing is on the wall: as soon as the one hiccup is removed -- paying the artists directly, cheaply -- the RIAA is dead. Their *only* hope is to convince artists that music theft is more harmful than the music mafia.

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  12. This works quite well by sting3r · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...against telemarketers, at least. One of my buddies sues about one telemarketer per month on the average, and only one (1) out of 43 has actually shown up in court. Though the statute says they can only be sued for $500, the judges usually award about $1000 to $1500 to compensate him for his wasted time and effort, and to penalize the telemarketer for flouting the subpoena.

    So, this could be a very effective strategy for dealing with record companies. With hundreds of lawsuits coming from different directions, they won't bother appearing in court and they will lose every case - making copy protection economically infeasible.

    -sting3r

  13. Record Labels UNDERNEATH Universal Music Group by AgTiger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay everyone, I spent some time out at the Universal Music Group section of the Universal Music Studios website, and there's a fairly hefty list of music labels in this group.

    Just saying you won't buy from Universal isn't enough. Here's the list I found:

    A&M Records
    Decca Record Company
    Deutsche Grammophon
    Geffen Records
    Interscope Rercords
    Island Def Jam Music Group
    Jimmy and Doug's Farmclub.com
    MCA Nashville
    MCA Records
    Mercury Records
    Motown Records
    Phillips
    Polydor
    Universal Records
    Verve Music Group

    I also went through their list of artists, and saw a shocking number of artists that I either currenly own CD's from, or want to purchase some or all from their discography.

    My next quest is to find landmail addresses for all the record labels *and* the Universal Music Group, plus the RIAA, as well as the artists of UMG's that I listen to, and start writing a lot of letters stating my disappointment at what they're planning to do, and how it stands to completely wreck my ability to purchase and enjoy their music.

    I don't have a "regular CD player". Not _one_. The CD player in my car is based on CD-Rom drive technology. I listen to my music on my computer, or I pipe the audio out straight to the stereo and listen on the big speakers. I listen to my headphones at work while I do my design documents, and that's to MP3's I ripped from CD's that I purchased.

    Frankly, their decision sucks if they want me to keep purchasing music from their group. Simple as that.

  14. go look on morpheus... they're all there! by linuxrunner · · Score: 5, Funny

    I first went to Fatchucks to see which cd's are currently being copy protected.....

    I then hopped on Morpheus (musiccity.com) and typed in the name of the album that was copy protected....

    guess what?!
    All the ones that I tried are there. So what does that tell you Mr. RIAA....?

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  15. The REAL reason they're doing this by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good article. There's another article that might explain Universal's reasoning for adding copy-protection. (HINT: It really has little to do with piracy.)

    http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,49188,00.html

    On Tuesday, Universal Music Group becomes the first label to sell copy-protected CDs in the United States with the release of its soundtrack Fast & Furious -- More Music. This comes at a time when the recording industry is asking consumers to pay for music that can only be listened to on the PC.

    The newly released CD will keep people from listening to their music on the computer, game consoles and other digital devices. If they wanted to go through the major labels to buy the same music for their computer, the only way would be to sign up for Pressplay, one of the major label subscription services, when it launches later this month.

    Essentially, consumers would be required to pay once for a physical CD and once for the digital music file. The restrictions for online subscription services and physical CDs are part of a music industry-wide attempt to stop online music piracy.

    Bascially, they want to move everyone into a position where they get paid everytime you "space-shift" your music. Playing your CD in CD player? Pay for it once. Playing it on the computer? Pay for it again. <begin sarcasm>After all, we've got to keep those RIAA pockets filled, don't we?<end sarcasm>

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