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802.11b Space Suits

Saint Aardvark writes "The BBC has an article here about WearSat, the new generation of space suits: embedded RISC processor, 802.11b networking, VGA heads-up display, and 1GB microdrive. I want one for my rec room."

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  1. hack the planet by abnormal · · Score: 3, Funny

    All we have to do now is to increase the signal range on the 802.11b standard, and we'd be able to hack those astronauts from Earth =)

  2. embarassing noises by supernova87a · · Score: 2, Funny

    You remember that scene in Naked Gun when Leslie Nielsen goes to the bathroom with the wireless mike on?

    Imagine how much worse it's going to be when you go to the bathroom with not only the mike, but the streaming webcam too... :)

  3. They might still need a radio by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this device ends up running XP-Embedded, astronauts will need a way to contact Redmond to get an activation key ...

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  4. All we need now... by teaserX · · Score: 3, Funny

    is plans for a cheap antena made from 1500 pringles cans...

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  5. Soon...soon... by joshjs · · Score: 3, Funny

    One of the big challenges was finding a way of fitting a display into an astronaut's helmet.

    "Using new technology, which is referred to as the microdisplay, we were able to fit a small active matrix liquid crystal display around an area where eye glasses would normally be worn," said Mr Schwartz.


    This gives me hope that someday I'll be able to walk to the fridge and grab a coke without having to stop reading /.

    Very fancy.

  6. why the microdrive? by Pyromage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can see the point of the rest, but the microdrive seems like a waste. For one thing, how shielded are those suits? How much EM can magnetic media take? I can see the usefulness of say, a hud with schematics of circuits, or a map, or whatever displayed on it via the network, BUT, what on earth would you put on the microdrive? If you're taking photos, the drive goes in the camera, not the suit! But otherwise, I think it could be cool. Also, maybe those microoptical lcd glasses could be useful here?

    1. Re:why the microdrive? by SpinyManiac · · Score: 2, Insightful


      More to the point, I can't see any reference to an input device.

      Anyone remember that eye-tracking mouse replacement thing?

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    2. Re:why the microdrive? by sunking2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because this is an academic boondoggle that will never be implemented in the current suit. The first article talks about the current US spacesuit, however goto the actual website and they are working with the Russian Orlan suit. This is nothing more than a proof of concept for something that may be usable for a Mars suit, whenever that happens.

      The limiting factor in just about all spacewalks are battery life. You can get about 4 hours max. Every milliamp matters. Currently the suit uses an old rad hardened cpu that runs at like 8mghz(I think its an NEC but I'm not positive, and I believe is now out of production). Last I knew they are looking to upgrade that to a more recent/powerful cpu and I believe a rad hardened PPC was in contention. However, the form factor size was about double the current and I believe it drew like 20% more power than the current.
      Currently NASA on the ground gets real time data from about a dozen various systems in the suit. This info includes things such as voltage readings, temp, air flow rates, etc.

      More info can be had here: here

    3. Re:why the microdrive? by Seor+Pelo · · Score: 2, Funny

      storage/gyrostabilzer, uh, you know... for those tightrope walks on the moon.

  7. 802.11B? by TalShiar00 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would think that they would go with a wireless networking standard that allows for greater distance.

    In space no one can hear you scream...
    if you are more than a few hundred yards away.

    1. Re:802.11B? by ShmuelP · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1) I'm sure that in the vacuum of space, the signals can go farther
      2) Just how far do you want a spacewalking astronaut to be from his/her base?

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  8. The real test will come when... by Tsar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Earthlink finds out that one of our astronauts is illegally sharing his wireless access with everyone in LEO.

  9. Fitting the wearable computer... by Zazm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought that a large portion of the development on wearable computing was in the area of flexible logic boards. Given such flexible system could be woven into the fabric of the suit this would seem a far superior opion that would not require space on the already heavily populated chest and back.

    It might even add to the insulating properties of the suit.

    And for my comedy points...

    does the space suit play mp3s?

  10. In 2001, no less. by tunah · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hal, open the pod bay doors please.

    Hal, open the pod bay doors.

    Open the pod bay doors, Hal

    Hal? Do you read me Hal

    Hal, I have my space suit, you open the pod bay doors now or I will r00t your b0x0r with my 1337 5k1llZ!

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  11. Re:Open the pod bay doors, Hal by I+am+Jack's+username · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ob2001: "Oh my god, it's full of dumped memory!"

  12. 2600's answer by medcalf · · Score: 3, Funny

    war orbiting

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  13. Uhoh... by Lethyos · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hou..., uh, Redmond, we have a problem.

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  14. And this is what's wrong with NASA by freebsd+guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Back in 1969, I watched with amazement as we first landed on the moon, and I wondered what would come next. Space colonies? Lunar waste disposal? The discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life?

    Nowadays, I read space.com and feel an overwhelming sense of depression. I see billions of tax dollars wasted on multimillion dollar toy space suits, and paying large salaries to Slashdot trolls and other function-free individuals.

    NASA is a drain on the nation's economy, and we need to send them a clear message: shape up or ship out. We need to run them like the R&D division in a corporation: if they can't produce useful results, innovations, and profit within a few years, we need to start cutting projects and staff. I want to see NASA become synonymous with "technical progress" like it was when I grew up; right now, it is synonymous with "wasted tax money" and that is not a favorable label to have during such a terrible recession.

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    1. Re:And this is what's wrong with NASA by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Back in 1969, I watched with amazement as we first landed on the moon, and I wondered what would come next. Space colonies? Lunar waste disposal? The discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life?

      Nowadays, I read space.com [space.com] and feel an overwhelming sense of depression.

      NASA is a drain on the nation's economy, and we need to send them a clear message: shape up or ship out. We need to run them like the R&D division in a corporation: if they can't produce useful results, innovations, and profit within a few years, we need to start cutting projects and staff.


      Ah, we want *MORE* dead end space spectaculars. (Which is what the moon landing was.) We want *more* Buck Rogers, it's not useful unless it's *BIG* and *REALLY LOUD*. (Of course you ignore the ongoing Mars work, and the Hubble, and Galileo, and many other current projects...)

    2. Re:And this is what's wrong with NASA by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I want to see NASA become synonymous with "technical progress" like it was when I grew up

      What makes you think it isn't? Just because we haven't found e.t. or colonized the moon yet doesn't mean we aren't making technical progress.

      right now, it is synonymous with "wasted tax money" and that is not a favorable label to have during such a terrible recession.

      On the contrary one of the better ways to get out of a depression is known as Keynsian economics (I probably misspealt it) where the government spends money with the effect of creating jobs and stimulating the economy. While this is somewhat beside the point as it is usually done with blue collar workers is this case the result is somewhat the same. For every dollar spent on Nasa I've heard estimates of everywhere from $12-$20 being generated in the ecomony. That's not to mention the huge technical advances derived from the space industry (how common do you think sattelite communicaton would be if it wasn't for the pioneering experience from the space industry, not to mention numerous innovations that have come from the space program. I recall a while ago I found a link to a site on /. (Im sorry but I'm on a slow connection now and don't have the time to look it up now) that listed many of these innovations (I believe velcro may of been among them although I may be mistaken). Still it is important not to realize that advances must not be obvious to be important, it would be foolhardy to throw away so much future knowledge over anxieties over a downturn in the economic cycle. Right now the fields of research being explored by Nasa and increasingly by the international community are relatively new to are species are we still understand little of what we may learn to do, can we afford to risk trowing away so muchin the long run to ease short term suffering.

      p.s. Sorry for the ramble;)

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    3. Re:And this is what's wrong with NASA by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Back in 1969, I watched with amazement as we first landed on the moon, and I wondered what would come next. Space colonies? Lunar waste disposal? The discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life? ...if they can't produce useful results, innovations, and profit within a few years, we need to start cutting projects and staff.

      First off, NASA has produced thousands of spinoffs, and I guarantee you use several of them every day.

      But even aside from that, NASA isn't a corporation and not everything should be run as one. You need some "blue-sky" research that isn't focused on a specific goal. You don't know what you'll find, but you'll find something.

      Now, incompetence and dumb mistakes (why didn't they use a second intererometer to check?) need to be dealt with, but overall I'd keep NASA. What we really need is some revisions in space law so that private companies can do more space research and run their own launches. Then we get the best of both worlds (no pun intended).

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    4. Re:And this is what's wrong with NASA by Flower · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What I remember is we used to dream and we had the focus to pursue those dreams. Then somewhere along the way we went to being snide, pretenious cynics and evolved into apathetic, Nintendo playing couch potatos.

      I want to see Americans become synonymous with "visionaries" like it was when I grew up. Currently Americans are synonymous with "self centered" and that is a terrible label to hold during any generation.

      Why no super-collider? Why not finish the final mile? Why this unrelenting bent that all research must be practical to rate funds and that pure research isn't worth anybody's time?

      See, you may blame NASA but I remember watching people grow blas'e after a few moon landings and then living through the "Me" generation. Your visions of space colonies and progress died by banality and imo NASA's biggest "mistake" during that time was trying to get people fired up over the space program with elaborate projects that could get enough interest for funding. To quote Pogo "I have seen the enemy and he is us." It takes two to tango and NASA isn't leading if you ask me.

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    5. Re:And this is what's wrong with NASA by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      What I remember is we used to dream and we had the focus to pursue those dreams. Then somewhere along the way we went to being snide, pretenious cynics and evolved into apathetic, Nintendo playing couch potatos.

      You'd do well to study history rather than rely on memories. The entire nation focusing on a single dream is a rarity, not a common thing.

      I want to see Americans become synonymous with "visionaries" like it was when I grew up.

      I'd be curious to know what alternate timeline you grew up, because once again history fails to support your claim.

      Why this unrelenting bent that all research must be practical to rate funds and that pure research isn't worth anybody's time?

      You really should read less FUD and more facts. Ever heard of the Hubble? Basic research. Or of the VLBA? More basic research... The list goes ever on. The super collider was cut because not all basic research can be funded. Life's like that.

  15. Bad idea.. by EvilStein · · Score: 4, Funny

    The LAST thing we need are astronauts floating around looking at all of the porn they hid on their microdrive...

    "Ahh....nobody up here but you and me, Britney.."

    Geez, I can just hear the comments now...

  16. Re:Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't even know where to begin how to point out how collosally stupid this idea is.

    You shouldn't have.

    1) Good luck using ANY heads-up display during spacewalk. The glare from Earth alone is enough to blind most astronauts.

    You do know that their helmets are already shielded against glare don't you?

    2) What idiot decided that Joe Astronaut needs a power-consuming VGA display? You want fries with that? For cryin out loud, you're life depends on battery power while you're untethered. Gee, lets make a suit that needlessly takes power away from those annoying non-essential features like pumps for HEAT and OXYGEN

    You did read the article or the website and notice that it's a *microdisplay*. Hardly a vast consumer of power.

    3) Does it _really_ take a RISC processor to tell you how much air you have left, how much power you have left, and other critical information? Nope. This smacks of buzzword bingo, and stinks of collosal stupidity perhaps even moreso than items #1 and #2.

    Pherhaps they chose an already space rated processor? Or one that's more compatible with their other hardware? Or compatible with the embedded system they'll need? (And RISC does not always mean 'fast, complex, powerful'.)

    4) If you look at the HUD mock-up they cleverly whipped up in MS Paint, you'll notice that their display is predominantly taken up with a window showing "mission objectives". If you need to be reminded of what the hell you're doing up there, you don't belong in the suit in the first place!! Jesus!

    What takes up most of the display space depends on the mode selected. In fact the map shown here will be quite useful in orienting yourself in such a complex place as the exterior of the ISS.

    5) A 1GB Microdrive. Well, thats lovely. Now what are you going to do with it...It eats more power than static DRAM, and the microdrive would have to be protected from radiation exposure. A 1GB Microdrive also infers an IDE controller, which infers even more onboard power-consuming crap succepible to radiation and power loss. Oh, and not to mention, the platter will get demagnetized within seconds.

    The SDRAM and it's controls will have to protected against radiation exposure as well. Just out of curiosity, what do you think will demagnetize the platters? Existing hard drives in space don't seem to have that problem.

    5) You want OTHER crew members both onboard and on the ground to monitor your bio stats while you're working. There are plenty of stories of astronauts who having gone on spacewalks, freak out and start drifting off.

    A second '5)' you are at least consistent... So what's wrong with being able to check your own bio stats? I'm also curious as the source of your 'many stories' as the space community has never heard of any such thing being common or usual.

  17. Re:But how do they type? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2
    Imagine an astronaut attempting to use a mouse in zero-G!
    *imagines a spacesuit with a trackball, touchpad or nubby-mouse as seen on laptops and notebooks for years and years and years* Any more 'challenges?'
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  18. A more cost effective solution by morcheeba · · Score: 2

    Considering that these modifications cost between US$10m and US$20m per suit above the initial cost of the suit itself (which is pretty amazing because the suits are $12m! - maybe one of these prices is off), you'd think that for this kind of money, you could pressurize your rec room. This will make games like twister much easier to play.

  19. Re:apple space suits by GoRK · · Score: 2

    >If Apple made space suits, they'd only come in very untasteful, bright colours

    Hmm like the intel guys maybe?

  20. What about the crackers? by sean23007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would happen to the astronauts if their space suit was cracked by a kid with a beefed up receiver on the ground? Now I know the 802.11b standard doesn't broadcast that far, but it is conceivably possible that, say, another country, could build a huge ass wireless receiver, light up an astronaut, and hack his system, and take total control of his 'desktop.'

    Maybe they'll put a new show on cable: Remote control spaceman battles! Now on Comedy Central!

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  21. blindness? by jafac · · Score: 2

    What happens if the LCD screen blanks out? The astronaut will not be able to see through the screen, NOR will he or she be able to remove the glasses from his or her face.

    We better hope this is NOT run by WIndows, otherwise some poor astronaut is going to float off into space and suffocate with only a BSOD filling his field of view.

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