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Tiny Computer From Mynix

vnsnes writes: "Mynix brands their e-Space computer as the world's smallest PC. It is, '...the only alternative to Desktops and Notebooks; for those who need computing in two places, typically the Home and the Office.' It looks really cool, but would it really be practical for anyone? For people chucking information between home and office it would seem much more economical to get broadband service at home and setup a VPN. Why would anyone use e-Space as a notebook when it comes without a screen, a keyboard, or a mouse? Yes, you can save space with this little guy, but you'll still need room for a monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse on your desk. And they aren't exactly cheap: about $1,600. For about the same price you can get a laptop computer with the same specs but with all the necessary peripherals. PC Magazine review here." I guess this fills the same niche that the Saintsong Cappucino does, whatever niche that is.

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  1. Assumptions by DarkZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For people chucking information between home and office it would seem much more economical to get broadband service at home and setup a VPN

    You're assuming that the target customer knows what a VPN is, which is a doubtful. Honestly, not that many average consumers have a VPN, a LAN, or even extremely common geek things like broadband service at home.

    1. Re:Assumptions by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but the assumption that this would be deployed in an office environment would lead you to believe that the consumer is a network admin, who undoubtably knows what a VPN is. Put that admin in a software development shop (such as the one that I work in) and you're dealing with an admin whose system already does everything that this puppy could supposedly do for you and more.

    2. Re:Assumptions by cymen · · Score: 2

      Anyone have a good idea why one is $1000 more than the other?

      That is pretty easy to answer! TigerDirect is a company that seems to specialize in getting surplus neato electronics and selling them out at slightly higher than surplus cost (ie, selling them at great prices!). Witness the 3com Audrey for $99 and numerous other deals they have had. Note that TigerDirect does have some regular stuff at regular prices (in fact the majority of their catalog is composed of such items) so not everything is a steal or even a deal. Also they sometimes get stuff that is blown out at low cost while the same stuff is still in regular retail channels at the regular price. Just an observation...

    3. Re:Assumptions by CMiYC · · Score: 2

      Nearly every moblie employee at our company knows at a VPN. When I say nearly, I would mean 99%. All of our salespeople know how to VPN from their hotel room. And I'd say most of them are non-geeks. We aren't a small company either ($10 billion test equipment manufacturer). So no, the average consumer might know what a VPN is, but I'd say your average office employee does and that is one of the targets of this product.

  2. Desktop equal? by Mahtar · · Score: 5, Funny

    The e-Space is a full powered miniature Desktop system with a rich feature list that equals full sized desktop systems

    Integrated ALI 1632 Graphics and Trident BIOS with support for additional 4MB of memory upgradeable to 8MB with AIMM.Intel® 3D Graphics with support for additional 4 MB of Digital Display cache memory with AIMM

    Watch out, GeForce3.

  3. Re:Headless Server? by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 2

    And, of course, the obligatory "World's Smallets Beowulf Cluster of World's Smallest Servers!"

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  4. There is a use for these things... by zulux · · Score: 2


    If you are worried about theft, you can just stash it in a safe when you leave for work. Of course, if you're smart, you'd just buy a cheaper desktop computer and encrypt the filesystem.

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    1. Re:There is a use for these things... by zulux · · Score: 2

      Because an encrypted file system is going to prevent the physical theft of your computer?



      No, because most thefts are done by people who just pawn the stolen items. An enctryted file system would be enough to keep most not-important things secret. You would then restore from a backup, and file a report with your insurance.

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  5. Could be useful. . . by Cyberllama · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its a shame manufacturers don't put a little more thought into such products. A few more refinements and I would be able to think of dozens of uses. However, as it stands, I can still think of few:

    1) Put linux on it and hide it away as a server. Everyone loves a tiny server, espeically at lan parties when the less equipment you have to lug around too much equipment.

    2)How about a Beowulf cluster of 100 systems. . . In your closet!

    3) uhm....Other stuff I guess? Honestly with just a tiny screen and some sort of input method this could really be neat. I mean Palms/PocketPc's just don't have enough power in them. . . But since the manufacturers seem more inclined to make a neat gadeget (which admittedly is enough to make me sort of want one) than they are a useful product you'd have to do this bit of mod work yourself.

    1. Re:Could be useful. . . by rbruels · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...but is not practical.

      Sure, it would be neat to Beowulf a large chunk of these, and stick them in a closet. Unfortunately, there are two major problems with that:

      -You'll still have to worry about heat ... and if you throw 100 of these in a closet with its corresponding switches and miscellaneous accessories, it will heat up to approximately say, the temperature of the sun. Most standard household closets don't have a dedicated HVAC system.

      - Secondly, and most importantly, at $1600 a pop, you could construct a pretty mean rack-mounted cluster, which although taking up a smidgen more room, will give you a helluva lot better than a bunch of PIII/750s.

      Nope, this is just another useless invention, though certainly eye-catching. While stashing away this as a tiny server might be neat, you again have to remember the price...I'll build you a really powerful and tiny mini-ATX system which will be easy enough to stash and hide away, for about a grand less. ;)

      Good try, Mynix, but you'll only get a brief spurt of purchases from impulse buyers and gadget-freaks (in my family, called "the Uncle Robert syndrome", in homage to an old gadget-freak of family yore :).

      Happy holidays to everyone!

      Ryan

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  6. Not the only World's Smallest Computer... by iapetus · · Score: 2

    Jadetec also call their MicroPC the world's smallest. Since the e-Space site seems to be a little bit Slashdotted right now, I can't compare the sizes directly, but Jadetec's offering claims:

    Dimensions: 157mmx 146mmx 45mm
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    1. Re:Not the only World's Smallest Computer... by Cyberllama · · Score: 2

      Thats just an oem version of the afforementioned Saintsong cuppucino.

  7. Slashdotted? by suwain_2 · · Score: 2, Funny
    There are nine comments...

    They're probably hosting their site on one of these things!

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  8. One obvious use for such a machine... by iapetus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any area where you really do have to fit a large number of PCs into a small area - we've recently outfitted a training room, and small footprint has been one of the most important deciding factors in purchasing the hardware. We ended up going with slimline PCs and LCD monitors, but if the budget had stretched a little bit further, devices like this might have been ideal.

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  9. security by whiteben · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps one possible target audience for these machines are the same people who invest in removeable hard drives. There are lots of people who want the security of removeable media -- perhaps a combined package of the processor with the hard drive would be attractive to these people.

    BEN

  10. Actually fairly useful, by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but not at that price!

    Picture you develop/work in two locations, home, and a client. The client may NOT allow you to have a VPN. They have supplied you with a desktop, plus a computer system. This allows you to bring YOUR box with you to have the environment YOU want - you use THEIR monitor and keyboard, and work!

    Thing is, at that price, you can buy a laptop

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  11. Try the ARM MiniBook PC -- only $499! by Mr.+X · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This PC seems to do everything the $1500 one does. Check out what it comes with: Specifications: Processor: Intel Celeron 1GHz processor (FCPGA) 370-Pin processor socket System bus frequency at 66MHz Memory: 128MB SDRAM; Upgradable to 256MB One 144pin DIMM slot for PC100/PC133 SDRAM Storage: 10GB UDMA hard drive 24X Max. CD-ROM drive Video: Intel 82810E built-in full motion video accelerator H/W motion compensation for S/W MPEG2 at 30fps 4MB of video memory (shared) Supports 1280 x 1024 pixels resolution at 24bit color One S-Video Out port One AV Video Out port Speakers and Audio: Built-in 16-bit stereo (Sound Blaster / Adlib compatible) Full duplex 3D stereo sound Built-in speaker One 3.5mm microphone in port One 3.5mm line out port (using active speakers) Communications: Built-in 10/100Base-T Ethernet (RJ45) Built-in 56K V.90 modem (53K max. per FCC regulations) IrDA Peripheral Connections: Two USB ports One 9-pin serial port One 25 pin parallel port (EPP / ECP) Keyboard and Mouse: One 6 pin PS/2 mouse port One 6 pin PS/2 keyboard port Electrical Requirements: Line voltage 100V AC (100V to 130V AC) or 230V AC (180V to 260V AC) Frequency: 47 to 63 Hz, single phase Power in: DC 18V / 3A Maximum power 64 Watt Weight and Size: System approximately 950g (2 lbs) System Dimensions: 157mm x 146mm x 45mm (6.18" x 5.75" x 1.77") One Year Manufacturer Warranty No Operating System Included [PERFECT FOR LINUX!]

  12. The Effect by bckspc · · Score: 2, Informative



    If you can't get in, here's the Google cached page:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:fILryV3u3R4:w ww.mynix.com/espace/

  13. Re:Why post this? by danamania · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I wouldn't call anything odd entirely useless. Products like this, Apples dead G4 Cube, Qubes, Saintsongs, Yellow Briq Nodes, the 20th Anniversary Mac from a few years back - even miniscule Amiga 600's all have a part in shaping what's going to come. There's no reason to believe a machine this size won't come up someday, perhaps 5 years from now, that's as expandable as any desktop system and -can- be as useful as a laptop or PDA is now. Many will naturally fall away to the side as they're not viable today, and all we've lost is half a kilobyte of slashdot frontpage. Nothing's as valuable as shifting thought sideways - it's where all of the unique Fun Stuff that truly IS useful comes from in the end. Get the memes out there into the minds of designers and engineers!.

    danamania

  14. Redundant by Webmonger · · Score: 2

    Yeah, that's the Saintsong Cappucino mentioned in the write-up.

  15. erf by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    One thing about these small computers is that they're never cheap. Has anyone seen a small (aka, small enough compared to a desktop to be considered cute) PC that's affordable (under a grand)? Maybe possibly useful as a gift, ya know...

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  16. Noise levels? by doorbot.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how loud this is. It's pretty small so I just don't anticipate it having much natural airflow. Since it's a Pentium III (rather than a Celeron, or even Pentium (@ .13 micron?)) it will generate a good amount of heat. So it must have a fan. But small fans trying to move a lot of air tend to be quite noisy (and irritating due to higher pitch).

    The design is interesting and hopefully we will see more computers like this, but I don't find myself all that impressed yet. I want a system like the one shown, but one that relies on passive cooling. Frankly, size isn't a concern for me, make it rack mountable or a bit taller and maybe twice as wide. I'll mount it on its side PS2-style and have a nice quiet server (or desktop). With some good PS2-style design (eg, designed to stand on its side or lay flat) you could have a Mac-ish computer... one where it was both functional but also designed to fit into a room; something designed to not look like a plain computer box. Something you could put in your living room and not feel like a complete computer nerd when friends came over.

  17. Hello? by aurorascope · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Haven't you guys ever heard of a laptop with a broken screen? Heck, get one of them for next to nothing; stick a monitor on it whenever necessary.
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    1. Re:Hello? by NumberSyx · · Score: 2

      More importantly, why wouldn't I just buy a Laptop to begin with ? $1600 buys a very nice one, even if that included a Monitor, mouse and keyboard. Now not only can I use it at work and at home, but on the road as well and although the monitor, keyboard and mouse are nice, I don't NEED them. This device has the worst features of both, in that it needs a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and it is not that powerful, flexable or upgradable and it is not nearly as portable as a laptop. I see no purpose in this device, you either want a powerful, flexable and upgradable system (a desktop) or you are willing to sacrafice all or most of these features for the sake of portabilty (a laptop).

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  18. Re:One use for it by CMiYC · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but I would think a $100 desk from target would be a better way to go. I bought one of those desks that has the shelf under the top to put your computer on. This device would end up taking up more room than it would save. I really don't understand what their target market is... Except maybe you setup a station at home and one at work. Then you have a smaller and lighter device to carry back and forth. But if you need to work on something in between (or on the road) you can't. Maybe they did want to narrow the market to that specific case though.

  19. Whats in a name? by Spackler · · Score: 2

    I hope Linus doesnt get pissed off at that company name.

    Explanation for the linux joke impaired:
    As I mentioned a month(?) ago, I'm working on a free version of a minix-lookalike for AT-386 computers. It has finally reached the stage where it's even usable (though may not be depending on what you want). -Linus - 1991

  20. timothy missed the boat by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Why would anyone use e-Space as a notebook when it comes without a screen, a keyboard, or a mouse? Yes, you can save space with this little guy, but you'll still need room for a monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse on your desk.

    ever hear of the twiddler? (www.handykey.com) or a HMD? ever hear of wearable computing? $1600.00 is dirt cheap for a turnkey wearable platform with that kind of power. as soon as I can find a 800X600 monicle display that costs less than a minivan I am all over this puppy. imagine on your train commute lying back working,coding,watching a divix flick, playing a game of quake3 with someone else on the train using your wifi card.

    there is a huge world out there called wearable computing, check it out, and look up it's father. Steve Mann, the inventor of the wearable computer.

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  21. Re:One use for it by CMiYC · · Score: 2

    Hahah, turns out I guess I was right. I finially got to the page and it said "perfect for someone that needs a computer at home and at work!"