The Little Algae That Could
A reader writes "This NewsFactor Network article says scientists have discovered a genetic "missing link" that helps to explain how primordial pond scum evolved into the land plants that now cover the Earth. Their conclusion: A type of green algae is the closest living relative of the first land plants."
And the first thing to spawn from it?
Lawyers.
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Some did not. That type of scum is called a 'sales person'.
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You can find the original, non-watered down story at Nature. Of course, you need a subscription :-)
For a long time, Charales has been one of the prime suspects in being the sister group of the land plants
This however has nothing to do with primordial scum! Charales are advanced green algae that looks something like a submerged moss. I need to read the article, but i suspect the reason Nature would publish this is that they used some new fancy algorith to calculate the phylogenetic trees.
Because anything that can exist today must compete against everything else, which has had a couple billion years to evolve. In other words it needs an immune system, a system of acquiring or making food, etc....or it would be gobbled up or starve before you even noticed it was there.
The first form of "life" (i.e., a self replicating chemical) would probably be a million times simpler than anything that could survive today.
> Sure seems like there would be many more 'missing links' between algae and a land plant.
No problem: every time a 'missing link' is found, it generates two new 'missing links' -- one to either side of the one just found. There shouldn't be any problem generating enough to fill your gap.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
This is wrong on the factual level as well as on the philsophical level.
On the factual level, we have observed speciation in the wild and in the laboratory. For example, the ring species of birds, where one species breeds with another as you move east, until they wrap back on each other. Change of species features has been observed!
On the philosophical level, you can't do science without speculation! That's the only way to advance. Caring only to make "correct" statements, one will never invent and devise experiments to test if one is wrong. And not experiments means no progress. By being wrong (experimentally), scietists cause progress and advancement. These errors are beneficient, think about that!
Well... the news article misses the beat on a few things, including which journal it was published in (Science, not Nature). The term "missing link" is often bandied about in the news whenever the topic turns to ancestral organisms. That wasn't really what the paper was about. The real issue was that this algae appears to be the closest living relative of the land plants. For that reason, any characteristics it has in common with the land plants are most likely ones which were present in the common ancestor of all land plants. Being able to place the ancestor of the land plants between two "frames" this way (common characters of land plants AND characters of Charales algae) gives us a window onto what kind of organism the land plants are derived from. Here's a tiny quote from the original paper:
Identification of the Charales as the sister taxon to land plants with the Coleochaetales as sister to the Charales/land plant clade suggests that the common ancestor of land plants was a branched, filamentous organism with a haplontic life cycle and oogamous reproduction... Although it is tempting to envision the origin of land plants as having been from amorphous pond scum, these data indicate that the common ancestor of land plants and their closest algal relatives was a relatively complex organism.If you attend a major university, you may be able access Science magazine electronically free of charge (minus tuition of course) from any computer with an IP address on your university's network. Try going to Science's homepage. If under the advertisments at the top of the page, there is some text that says "Institution: University of foo", then you have electronic access to all the articles that have appeared in print (Sadly institutional subscriptions don't include access to papers on ScienceExpress that have been published electronically but not yet on paper)
--Phillip> If you mean evolution in terms of adaptation based on traits that make the species more hearty, that is scientific and observable.
> Extension of that pattern to explain origin of species is not scientific in nature. It is merely conjecture.
All science is 'conjecture'. The difference between science and other types of conjecture is that scientists think out the implications of their conjectures and then look at the world again to see whether it conforms to those implications. That is the essence of the scientific method.
> When you speak of origin of all species, you move past the scientific method.
Not at all. Please re-read my previous paragraph.
> Since it's not a theory that can be tested, it can't be called science.
Ah, but it can be tested. Indeed, you can reasonably think of all of modern genetics as a big test of the theory of creation, which was originally a 'conjecture' based on the fossil record, but which had very strong implications for what we should see when we started realizing how genetics worked on the level of biochemistry. Alas for creationism, modern genetics bears those implications out quite well.
If you understand the scientific method and then add just a tiny amount of knowlege about biology, biochemistry, and paleontolgy, it becomes immediately obvious why the 'conjecture' represented by the theory of evolution continues to be accepted as 'scientific'.
> Evolutionists and creationists have the same data, we just have different explanations of the cause of that data.
Yes: scientists have a dense network of interrelated and mutually supporting, falsifiable theories spanning several fields of study, whereas creationists have "I think goddidit."
> Your belief that it is explainable by survival of the fittest, time and chance may be the "only game in town that makes sense" to you, but having a creator who intelligently designed the basic species and allowed them to adapt from there seems to me to fit the evidence more accurately.
Anything can be made to 'fit' the evidence if you are willing to invoke enough miracles. And that's exactly what creationists do when they're pressed to actually explain something: lurk talk.origins for a while if you doubt me.
Also notice that divine intervention has no explanatory value whatsoever: any observation is compatible with it. Unlike scientific explanations such as the theory of evolution, creationism is beyond falsification.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
You seem to be trying to make some syllagism here but I don't follow it at all.
I read that we lose 6 species each day from the face of the earth6 species a day may be the correct figure for animals or plants during the last few thousand years- you should be able to find a better estimate in an ecology textbook. I don't know is there is an estimate of species lost and creation in bacteria, archaebacteria, or protists, especially since the notion of species in bacteria is somewhat tricky because of the magnitude of lateral gene transfer.
The rate of speciation and extinction varies over geological time though. Sometimes the net change will be (roughly) zero, sometimes there will be mass extinctions, and sometimes there will be rapid and speciation and creation of new taxa.
we don't see new species being createdYes we do, its all over the fossil record. Bacteria and plants can undergo rapid speciation because of the flexibility of their genomes, animals generally less so, so the documentation of speciation is better for bacteria and plants. We'll understand speciation much better when we have a better understanding of how organisms develop- how the interactions between genes and environment bring about a complete organism which is less or more simaler to its ancestors.
we see statistical laws in action everywhere we look, with increaing entropy being of great interest.I don't see what this has to do with the rest of your post. Events which are more probable than the alternatives will on average occur more than the alternatives. Entropy will increase over time in closed systems but entropy can be shifted or exported from closed systems
What makes evolution feasible?heredity, mutation, and varying reproductive success between organisms.
.. having a creator who intelligently designed the basic species and allowed them to adapt from there seems to me to fit the evidence more accurately. .. PS - God loves you and longs for relationship with you ..
;-)) but it seems to me that if there was a God that created all of the life on Earth, He would be akin to the "ultimate engineer." Evolution, from an engineering standpoint, makes a heck of a lot of sense. There's no reason to believe that a perfect God would design a single species "from scratch", as it were, and then wipe the drawing board completely clean and start over from nothing to design a species that is 95% similar to the one He just got done with.
.. we play what we're dealt. :-)
I've never completely understood why some of the Christian creationist folks automatically assume that people who don't have any problems with modern biology's conception of evolution must be atheists, agnostics, pagans, etc. I would submit that the vast majority of Christians on this planet have no argument with the fact that the universe is a tad older than 6,000 years and that evolutionary common descent is a perfectly sensible way for God to create the kind of biodiversity that we see on Earth today.
Personally, I'm an apathetic agnostic (I care so little about religion that I can't be bothered to call myself an atheist
Really, the fact that we see so many similarities between different creatures on Earth is one of the strongest pieces of evidence in favor of evolutionary common descent. Now, granted, this fact is certainly not evidence against creation ex nihilo. But if God was creating everything ex nihilo He could have made a diverse array of creatures with completely different internal systems specifically engineered for optimal operation in the creature's native environment. Evolution, by and large, has done a pretty good job. Sure, it's not perfect; there are some flaws in the human body that I'd just as soon not be burdened with, but hey
At any rate, I just don't understand how people who believe in an all-powerful God could possibly suggest that He could not, and did not, create the biodiversity on Earth via the simple and elegant processes of evolution. Biology is in the business of answering the "how" questions. It is not in the business of answering the "why" questions, and has never claimed to be. Those who claim otherwise are "putting words in science's mouth", so to speak.
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
(Not a band name!) Gould claims in several books that evolution goes in both directions at the same time. Some organizms are getting more complex, while others are getting less complex. For example viruses and parasites may be remnants of more complicated organisms. We tend to notice only the more complex organisms in life's diversity.
The implcation here is that this pond scum could have been a more developed organization that gave up complexity over the eons.
for me as an european what is remarkable here is how many people feel the need to come up with creationism in this forum. what kind of religious fundamentalism is this?
I'm not sure what being a European might have to do with it - there are lots of Creationists there, too, but they seem less willing to speak freely, possibly for fear of reprisals.
There happen to be quite a lot of us that are trained as scientists and/or engineers, have looked at the data, and come to the conclusion that Creation 1) requires orders of magnitude less faith in the unseen than does evolution, and 2) fits the available data considerably better, too.
I don't want or intend to turn this into a flame fest, but if you're at all interested in why, I'd suggest looking in one of several places:
Uber-hacker Do-While Jones' excellent site on why science is against evolution. Be sure not to miss the archives of the newsletter, Disclosure - reading through these will keep you up nights if evolution is important to your world view... (Check out the article on "Lucy" for an enlightening look at the art of passing off a total pipe dream as "science".)
There's a pretty good book out called "In Six Days" containing essays from 50 respected PhDs who explain why they find it considerably easier and more scientifically consistent to belive in Creation than evolution.
Michael Behe's excellent book, Darwin's Black Box. This outlines the irreducible complexity argument for Creation that is far better butressed by actual science than is evolution.
or is it just another incarnation of the kind of thought that makes people believe in UFOs or witchcraft?
Creationists aren't stupid, or ignorant. There are a few that are knee-jerk fundamentalists, but I find many more are thoughtful scholars. I find that many Creationists are better versed on the science and the data relating to origins than most all evolutionists. In short, the only thing science can say with certainty about origins is that we do not know. Do not be so quick to dismiss alternatives that may well be completely legitimate, even if their implications may be quite uncomfortable for you... Please read up as suggested above before flaming.
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