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10 Linux Predictions For 2002

Weedstock writes: "In an article on LinuxWorld, Joe Barr is once again making 10 predictions about the success of Linux for the new year." The first of many sets of predictions for 2002, no doubt. And some guy named "Robin" or "Roblimo" or something like that wrote about Linux in 2003 for Newsforge.

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  1. Some of these have nothing to do with Linux... ? by Geek+Dash+Boy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as I can tell, item #4 has nothing to do with Linux directly. Unless of course you believe it's a matter of MS vs. Linux and that's it.

    Methinks Linux is about creating a good operating system, not about killing Microsoft. Or did I miss something?

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  2. Given the abusrdity of the predictions... by hooded1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm surprised he didn't predict that Linus Torvalds would be elected head of the UN, and linux would be installed ona satellite thus rendering us the ability to communicate to alien species.
    I doubt that the CIA/FBI/NSA even uses windows XP for any sort of confidential information. Most like they're still running the nearly bug free Windows NT, or some incarnation of unix.

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    1. Re:Given the abusrdity of the predictions... by nathanm · · Score: 3, Informative
      I doubt that the CIA/FBI/NSA even uses windows XP for any sort of confidential information. Most like they're still running the nearly bug free Windows NT, or some incarnation of unix.
      You're right. They use certified "secure" operating systems, like Trusted Solaris (based on 2.5, although a version based on 8 is now out, it'll be awhile before anyone switches over), HP-UX Trusted (based on 6.5 or 7.0) , Trusted IRIX (based on 4.0 or 6.5), Trusted AIX, Trusted Oracle (based on 7.2.3), and other systems that have been thoroughly audited and tested by the DOD.

      Also, the government's secure systems are not even connected to the internet. They're on a completely separate network, the SIPRNET, which is highly encrypted before it leaves the buildings. So, for his #5 to happen, some agency would have to adopt Windows XP early in its life cycle (not their style at all), connect it to the internet (doesn't happen), or inadvertently let someone into their server room (yeah right).
    2. Re:Given the abusrdity of the predictions... by Bastian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd add to this that, if I were an admin worth his salt and was told that security was my prime concern, linux would never even cross my mind. If I were to pick any open source unix-like, it would be OpenBSD, hands down. About 10 minutes looking through Bugtraq should be enough explanation for my reasoning.

      No offense, Mr. Barr, but the idea of Linux running on sensitive CIA or FBI computers seems patently ludicrous to me.

  3. "predictions"? by skotte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is that a list of predictions, or just a wish list?

    "let's see, kick microsoft's ass; win in court; make big money; be fFamous fForever; eat pizza"

    (not that i have anything wrong with that list .. but lets call it what it is.)

  4. Predictions by sydb · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Tux will fly
    To this day flightless like other penguins, Linux mascot Tux will shake the world by flying into the Eiffel Tower, prompting a renewal of the 'war on terrorism'.

    2. Slashdot will be free of trolls
    CmdrTaco will utter the regexp to end all regexps, and the lameness filter will finally work. Forever.

    3. RMS installs Windows
    RMS, leader of the Free World, will renounce GNU purity and follow the temptations of Microsoft by installing Windows 2.0. From the horses mouth: "Freeware like GNU just doesn't cut it when stacked up against real software made by real programmers with fat wallets. It's a moral choice really - the corporations deserve our dollars. Freedom shmeedom."

    4. There is no prediction 4.

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    1. Re:Predictions by Bastian · · Score: 4, Funny

      5) Steve Ballmer will be chased out of Redmond and forced to become a male stripper after he is accused of "penguin lust."

      (Sorry, Berke, couldn't resist)

  5. number 6 by banky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think you'll see this happen more than once, in some form or fashion; someone will kick W2k or XP out of the datacenter, and it'll be a high-profile linux win.

    BUT: I don't see it as a linux win. It'll be a Red Hat win, or an IBM win (or Suse, or Debian, whatever, I'm not playing favorites here). Linux will not, per se, win the day. The services and "value adds" and all that crap will be what gets written about; the pundits (read: ZDNet) will talk about how so-and-so (Red Hat, IBM, whomever) sent in armies of consultants, promised to tailor things to their hardware, etc etc. In other words they'll downplay Linux.

    It'll be a win, but everyone (most of all MS) will try to convince the world that it was a different game.

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    1. Re:number 6 by thesolo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      BUT: I don't see it as a linux win. It'll be a Red Hat win

      Would that really be so bad though? If you give Red Hat the market share that MS has right now, do you really think they would be as bad as MS?? The code is still open, and you are welcome to do whatever you want with it. IMHO, Linux is Linux is Linux, regardless of what company manages to push it out.

    2. Re:number 6 by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 3

      Red Hat Linux Professional is a complete package featuring Red Hat Linux 7.2 plus 6 CDs of Linux server and workstation applications. In addition, you get 60 days each of Red Hat Web- based support, Telephone-based support including two incidents and 180 days Red Hat Network Software.(My bold)

      That's why.

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  6. Hmm... I love these prediction lists by glwtta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Computers will become faster!

    And will have more RAM!

    Linux will continue to develop!

    etc... What would we do without this sage guidance?

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  7. Oh come on by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really don't think that Microsoft discontinuing support for old versions of Windows will make anyone switch to Linux.

    When was the last time you called up MS for tech support for Windows? Most people just don't care, or are even aware MS will provide any tech support at all.

    I don't anticipate a large exodus to Linux when MS stops providing support. There's no reason at all to think that people will move to and learn a new *operating system* that doesn't provide them anything new over Windows 98 with no official support.

    Everyone has been predicting that Linux will explode any minute now for *years*. This won't make it happen any sooner. Fact is, Linux doesn't provide anything over Windows for the vast majority of people, and MS has massive marketing muscle. Linux isn't poised to overcome that at all. Linux will need a ton of marketing money, and do something WINDOWS DOESN'T.

    As much as people make fun of MS never innovating anything, everything I see in Linux development is meant to bring its functionality in line with Windows. If I see anything in Linux that enables me to do more than Windows, and do it with more stability (sorry, in my experience, Linux with X gives a much more unstable environment than 2k or XP), I'll give it another try.

    For the moment, for me, it's XP on me desktop, 2k on my laptop, and OpenBSD on my server.

    1. Re:Oh come on by cha0sadddddddd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not just support, no more directx updates,no more security patches, no more anything from ms.

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    2. Re:Oh come on by Malcontent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "As much as people make fun of MS never innovating anything, everything I see in Linux development is meant to bring its functionality in line with Windows. If I see anything in Linux that enables me to do more than Windows, and do it with more stability (sorry, in my experience, Linux with X gives a much more unstable environment than 2k or XP), I'll give it another try. "

      Yet another MS troll modded up the wazoo.

      Look at where the linux desktop was a year ago. Now extrapolate another year. You see where I am going here. A year ago linux desktop was little more then a dream right now KDE looks and works great. KDE 3.0 will probably be even better.

      And you know what it does not ever need to catch up or surpass windows. I remeber a year or two ago anytime a SQL server vs Oracle debate sprang up on usenet the MS people always made the same argument. SQL server is good enough to do what you want and it costs much less. The same argument goes here. As soon as Linux is good enough OS with good enough apps everything then the price factor will kick in.

      When faces with a choice of spending nothing and getting 80% of the functionality or spending hundreds of thousands of dollars corporations will start making the switch. Once they switch people will start switching at home.

      Having said all that I am still waiting for something in windows that is as elegant as syslog.

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  8. Yeah, right by W2k · · Score: 4, Flamebait

    This should be under "It's funny. Laugh", not "Linux Business".

    Both pure Linux and dual-boot Linux/Windows machines from top-tier OEMs will start to appear in the marketplace...

    Yeah, right. TheRegister might think Mandrake is easier than Windows XP to install, but actually running even this the most simplified of Linuxes is still beyond the average joe sixpack user. This is the only thing really keeping Linux from desktops at the moment - well, that and hardware/software compatibility - but I don't think it's going away any time soon.

    The Microsoft/DOJ "settlement" will be tossed out by the judge as being completely one-sided ...

    If both sides agree on it, why would the judge toss it out? As for the hold-out states, more of them will drop off once the settlement goes through and the ones that remain will be stuck with Microsoft for another year or so, eventually having a very limited impact.

    A major three-letter intelligence agency will suffer a public and catastrophic breach of classified data because of exploits in Windows XP and ban its use completely ...

    This is just hilarious. Firstly, I doubt that any "three-letter intelligence agency" (there aren't that many) are running XP at this point, or are planning to start doing so. If they're running Windows at all, they'll be on 2000, which is getting pretty secure now that it's been out for a while.

    At least one global megacorp will announce a complete migration away from all Microsoft Windows platforms ...

    This is quite likely, actually; as Linux becomes more usable and more well-known to big businesses looking to save money/improve security, some companies will undoubably decide to move. Others will decide that Linux/Mac/whatever they were on before wasn't right for them, and switch to Linux. Stuff like that happens all the time. I am thinking Joe was running low on ideas at this point :)

    AOL will stun the world by releasing a beta AOL client for Linux ...

    Yeah, sure. And Tux the Penguin will be replaced by Joe the Wannabe Journalist.

    (I don't have a sig)

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    1. Re:Yeah, right by Darth+Paul · · Score: 3, Funny
      A major three-letter intelligence agency will suffer a public and catastrophic breach of classified data because of exploits in Windows XP and ban its use completely ...

      MSN?

      Oh, wait. Intelligence, you said ... :)

  9. This is NOT a troll... by Spackler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is almost the same article I read in 1995! Back then, I was involved in a newsgroup discussion on usability for Linux on the desktop. Most of the predictions, and complaints from back in the day are still there. Sure, there has been polish added, and some really cool features. The kernel has added lots of new features, but the only interface I have seen that came close to a real desktop has been on a freaking Mac (and I HATE macs). At some point in the future, a group will get together and put together an opensource desktop that my wife could use, and be happy with. After 6 and a half years, I won't hold my breath. Don't get me wrong, I'm already running the 2.4.17 kernel on my Thinkpad. I just wonder if predictions like "Linux desktop will appear in public places" are realistic when it is really an OS for nerds, and will continue to stay that way until a real organized effort takes place to bring about a simple desktop.

    Flame answer 1: Yes, Gnome and KDE are great, but they are great for geeks, not moms. Maybe end the political crap and have them get together for a cookout at my house to bury the hatchet and take the best code from both to make KDGnome? That would kick some ass!

    Flame answer 2: Because Macs are great for destop publishing, but that is not what I need to do. (and yes, I know it's BSD, and not Linux)

    Flame answer 3: Sorry Linus. You have done great things here, and I have great admiration for your work. I know you are not competing with MS here. I would just like to see Linux knock the head off of Bill's empire. It get's predicted every year.

    Flame answer 4: I know, I know, I have all the source code. I should write it myself, right? Well I suck at programming C, and I am man enough to admit that I could not write production level code for a project like that.

    Spackler

  10. Da Mods by Snowfox · · Score: 4, Funny
    "YEAH! Go Linux! Windows sucks!!! eat my r3d hat, M1CR0$OFT!!!"
    SlashPh3ar +1 Insightful! bojoH4X0R +1 Funny! eliteboss +1 Informative!

    "Though it's hard to beat Visual Studio for rapid application development."
    l33t0r -1 Troll! bsdnut -1 Flamebait! bojoH4X0R_2 -1 Overrated!

    "Except that it constrains you with heavy licensing for the end user."
    h4ckerrocket +1 baaaaah! linuxd3wd +1 InMyLittleWorld!

    "Which probably doesn't matter, since 90%+ of your customers already have Windows installed."
    supercod-R -1 NotMyBag! CmdrTac0 -1 Heretic! superHaK -1 Blasphemy! C0deG0d -1 KarmaTorch!

    Sorry about that. Sit on my hands, no more rum before posting.

  11. Linux on the Desktop (flamebait I'm sure) by ender81b · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it just me or is he (and everybody else) prediciting that linux will become a desktop os because someday (maybe) it just might come true and they don't want to miss it.
    Linux is no closer to being a user-friendly, capable desktop app than it had been in the last 3 years. Try telling the 12 o'clock flashers about compiling a kernel and mounting hard drives and they will give you the "blank stare of doom".
    In truth, MacOS X is what Linux needs to become if it ever wants to succed as a desktop OS for the average joe (i.e good apps, nice interface, seemless hardware support, and a good unix command line just in case).

  12. Seamless Integration by Bob_Robertson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in 1997 running Samba, I didn't find any problem with 'seamless integration' for my two Windows game (mostly) machines to use the Linux box as server, or for the Linux box to work perfectly well along side of the other two as a peer machine.

    If I may elaborate on your point, I think you mean "seamless MS-Office integration."

    It takes a serious shift of my perception to think of MS-Exchange as "email". It's an email CLIENT, one of many. So is Netscape Mail. So is elm. Elm doesn't read Netscape Mail folders (ok, maybe it does for someone who wants to take the time, but we're talking seamless here), that doesn't stop someone from using elm to "seamlessly" talk with someone in the same office using Netscape Mail.

    MS-Office is a monolithic group-ware package that works (well? at all?) only with itself. As such, there never can be "seamless integration" because Microsoft doesn't want there to be.

    Microsoft has won the perception battle with MS-Office. Many managers think that in order to be compatable with anyone else, they must use MS-Office, and that only runs on MS-Win.

    If "we" are going to open the desktop market, "we" must change that perception. I am very, very glad to see OpenOffice, KDE-Office, and all the other suites being built. The Noosphere is being homesteaded at the office application layer, and I couldn't be happier.

    BTW, my last two jobs have been in shops where the one and only reason they use MS-Win is because they are entrenched into using MS-Office.

    Bob-

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  13. Problem with Number 8: by thesolo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    AOL won't make any significant number of people move from Windows to Linux. 99% of the people on AOL are there because they don't know a lot about computers, and they don't care to. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule, but how many average AOL users could you see understanding "./configure, make, make install"?

    Linux is still very much a geek OS, and since most geeks want broadband or real PPP dialup, I wouldn't see AOL making a huge dent if they did release software for Linux.

  14. Re:...have nothing to do with Linux... SAY WHAT? by darkPHi3er · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Boy, it's an amazing world...

    I was pretty sure that ALL of them had to do with LINUX, even if not directly...

    #'s 1,2,3,6,7,8 and 10 are directly about LINUX

    and #'s 4, 5 and 9 are about the competitive PC/ MS v LINUX marketplace...

    though i suppose that you could argue that even though number 9, the Darker Image is about taking a shot at MS too, it's principally a good natured poke at some of the less "user friendly" members of our community....

    after all guys, it IS LINUX WORLD magazine....

    IMHO, i'd say that #'s 2,3 and 7 are serious blue sky

    #'s 1,6 and 8 are mulligans

    and that 4 and 7 are karma bets

    9's a gag and

    10 is probably the most accurate of them all

    BTW, Joe, stay away from Theo for a while

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  15. What can you predict about this? by Snowfox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    More and more sites are relying on embedded closed-source media players which don't work and play well with most free-as-in-speech browsers. It's tough to get a proper feed from many of the major news sites anymore.

    Similarly, a surprising number of online banking services, auction houses, etc are putting Windows-centric code on their sites, limiting site usability for many potential customers.

    I'm looking forward to seeing if there's going to be a backlash against that in the coming year. When sites realize that a good chunk of users are being cut off, could we see "platform agnostic" and "Linux-friendly" become marketable buzzwords, causing sites to leap on the bandwagon and to start performing real Linux usability testing?

    And if "Linux-friendly" logos, icons and similar start to appear on sites, could the alternative operating systems enjoy even more visibility as a result?

  16. What will actually happen by ellem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nothing will change:

    Linux will improve. No one will care --
    A third desktop will emerge and really confuse everything (KDE and Gnome being the other two .. I know there's more)

    OSX will barely maintain Apple's market share and everyone will agree that it is the best OS ever.

    Windows 10wnU will be released. Despite massive security flaws and a wicked licensing scheme will continue to rulle the desktops.

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  17. One prediction to rule them all. by Darth+Paul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I say...

    1. Business as usual. Linux will continue slowly replace Unix servers. Windows will continue to sit on the desktop. Talk of a mainstream linux desktop will continue for several more years.

  18. Under the covers by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. More samba shares on the local networks at work as Comm Tech managers get bigger bonuses for saving oodles of Microsoft license dollars.

    2. More IIS web servers replaced with Linux and apache as Web Group managers get bigger bonuses for saving oodles of Microsoft license dollars.

    3. More Tomcat implementations as said managers save money on the Weblogic license dollars.

    4. More failed companies who think they can "cash in" on this Linux thing....

    5. The people that started in the garages and basements....(went to work for a few months at various linux startups and got bitter when the stock dipped below a dollar...and they got layed off...) --> will return to the garages and basements...God bless them.

    6, VA decides that the only way to pay the /. bandwidth bills is to replace all content with one great big banner add on /. .... and when that does not work they will be bought out by x10.com -- and www.slashdot.org will resolve to 10 popup windows for mini cams.

    7. The end of world peace.

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  19. Re:Some of these have nothing to do with Linux... by Arandir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "creating a good operating system" and "killing Microsoft" amount to the same thing.

    Not at all. The best doesn't always succeed. Consider BetaMax versus VHS.

    The original poster made an excellent point. I would rather be *for* something than *against* something. Somewhere the Linux community took a wrong turn and started measuring Linux according to the Microsoft yardstick. This is wrong. As long as the Microsoft yardstick is used, Microsoft will always win. Let's use an objective yardstick and to hell with everyone playing the us-versus-them game.

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  20. Desktop adoption. by Bobzibub · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My wife now finds it easier to use my Linux box to:
    -check web mail
    -read and print doc/xls files
    -surf w/o crashing browser
    -use dial-up
    -other business stuff.
    ...rather than boot up her NT box to do the same.

    Now with software we use (Moz/StarOffice/KDE) being so nice, stable, & useful, the desktop is at last becoming a viable alternative for Windoze users--with just a little prompting.

    To me, the interoperability with Word/Excel/Exchange is the critical thing for businesses. In 2000, this clearly did not work well at all. I think 2002 will indeed herald the year that linux will be occationally adopted as an alternative in corporate environments. Reading/printing these file formats (and protocols) is now *finally* reliable. Ximian's Exchange connector completes it for most businesses.

    I don't think that the desktop not being adopted in large numbers this year was because IT managers didn't want to do it, it was because they couldn't do it.
    Now they can.

  21. Joe Barr's Track Record for 2001 by Gleef · · Score: 5, Informative

    Joe Barr did a similar article for 2001. Here's how he did:

    1. Linux Kernel 2.4 will be released, and will trounce Windows in the benchmarks
    Half right. 2.4.0 was released, performance was good, but not as good as it could have been. It's gotten better since. Nobody that I know of has done comprehensive benchmarking. I'll give this one a half point.

    2. MS Findings of Law overturned, Findings of Fact stand. Ordered back to lower court. DOJ loses zeal for case
    Almost perfect. The Conclusions of Law stood, but the Final Judgement was overturned. Everything else was on the nose. I'll give this one a full point.

    3. Consolidation and attrition of Linux companies. Fewer distributions. RedHat & VA merge. SuSE & Atipa merge.
    Didn't happen. There were some mergers, but no big ones. There was much attrition, but primarily on the fringes of the Linux world, the rest of the computer industry was much harder hit attrition-wise. There are more distributions than ever. There are no superdistributions, in fact, I'd say more people realize today that RedHat != Linux than a year ago. No points.

    4. KDE and GNOME continue as separate projects.
    Easy point.

    5. Linus stops heavy kernel hacking, focuses on community leadership.
    You've got to be joking. No points.

    6. One of the big five computer retailers offers a Linux boot (or dual boot) for a retail desktop machine.
    Nope, didn't happen.

    7. Widespread government desktop adoption of Linux
    Nope, didn't happen. More servers tho.

    8. Bruce Perens shakes up HP.
    If it happened, it was completely behind the scenes. From out here, it looks like Compaq's pleading to be eaten had much more effect on HP's management than Bruce did. He has had some effect, and he's still there, so there's always next year. No point.

    9. Linux stocks will thrive.
    Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahaha. Seriously, they didn't do badly compared to the rest of the tech stocks, but I would hardly call it "thriving". No point.

    10. Another great year for Linux
    Easy point.

    So, last year, he got three and a half out of ten. One was a complete giveaway (#10), and most people would say #4 was a giveaway too. Not the most impressive set of predictions.

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  22. Re:...have nothing to do with Linux... SAY WHAT? by ninewands · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1 and 6 maybe mulligans, but I'd call 8 more of a "gimme" ...

    I've seen screenshots of an official (and not even alpha quality) official AOL client for Linux.

    Given AOHell's recent decision to join the Liberty Alliance, could it be that AOL's partnership with Sun (as in Sun is the center of the Netscape iPlanet world now) has addicted AOL-TW to the need for open standards???

  23. Linux will be 3rd in Line by XBL · · Score: 4, Interesting
    First of all, I want to state that I think Linux will continue its growth in the server market. With IBM and other major companies now pushing it in their products, there is no going back on its growth. Linux is here to stay in the business world for many years to come.

    As for Linux on the desktop, I have to remain skeptical of its success. If MacOS X never came about, I'd say their are definite possibilities, but now there is just too much going on besides Linux. Here are reasons why Linux is not going to succeed on the desktop anytime soon:
    • Software companies are currently devoting a good chunk of resources towards updating their applications for XP, and also exploring possibilities of using new XP "features".
    • .NET will also consume more software company resources that could possibly be focused towards Linux desktop software.
    • Apple is going to be releasing faster, more appealing hardware along with an improving OS X. Software companies are going to get distracted into doing new Mac versions of their applications.
    • A high-end multimedia explosion is about to hit the computer industry. Over the past several years, multimedia has been a joke in my opinion, but now hardware and software is actually capable of doing some useful and cool stuff. When I read about wireless IEEE-1284 (Firewire), see new media features come out like DVD-RW+, and video software that does a million things in a simple package, I don't even begin to think about Linux. Sorry.
    If Linux was where it is now, two years ago, I'd say it had a good chance. Now the future is looking even more bleak. I don't like saying that, but it's the current reality. A bronze medal is still not that bad though, when you think about it...
  24. Re:Linux desktop will appear in public places by omega9 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Circuit City is moving in the same direction. They're headquartered here in Richmond, VA. An acquaintance of mine is a lead programmer on a team responsible for creating custom GTK apps for their POS systems. I don't know all the details, but I believe they're using Red Hat as their base distro (which, I guess, isn't that suprising).

    Other people that are deploying Linux are Home Depot, Burlington Coat Factory, and The New York Stock Exchange. Of course there's also IBM, but they hardly need mentioning.

    I think it's fair to debate how well Linux fits certain needs, but so far there has been solid proof that it fits some very large needs for some vary large companies. By 2003, I think the outlook is nothing but positive. Shooting for world domination is a grand goal, and capturing the desktop world would seem to be a huge piece of completing that goal. As much as we talk about it, I think we all understand that our grandmothers won't be using Linux anytime soon. In the meantime I'll be perfectly happy knowing that Linux is being used for the high-scale, back-end systems, while Fischer Price My First Operating System hangs out on the desktop.

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  25. My Predictions for next year by Cardhore · · Score: 4, Funny
    • Debian will become harder to install.
    • Rock Linux will become popular for Slackware fans.
    • Mandrake and RedHat will need to use 4 or more CD's for their next editions of their distributions.
    • Marcelo will release many Linuxes. He will call them 2.4.18, 2.4.19, 2.4.20, 2.4.21, 2.4.22, and perhaps even 2.4.23.
    • Windows XP will get 3 service packs.
    • Gnome will release gnome 2.0 in the second week on June.
    • OpenOffice will be released 3rd week of March, after StarOffice. They will become extremely popular.
    • Ogg Vorbis will see its 1.0 release in the first half of September.
    • Mozilla 1.0 comes out April 5th, exactly as listed in their timetable.
    1. Re:My Predictions for next year by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4, Funny
      What the hell, I'll throw these in:

      • KOffice and Gnome Office will agree on a standard XML-based file format for documents, spreadsheets
      • Mono and dotGNU will start to make serious and obvious progress towards a fully-functioning system.
      • Python gets serious mainstream attention as a Java-killer. PHP practically replaces Javascript. Nothing ever replaces HTML.
      • IBM buys a large chunk of VA; staff cuts hit Slashdot, Newsforge.
      • By the end of 2002, Linux either reaches or is building up anticipation towards a 3.0 release
      • The Glade and Glimmer projects will merge
      • Ximian either starts or takes leadership of a project to build an Access-like and/or FoxPro-like front end for any relational database that has an ODBC API
      • Amazon and Yahoo! report strong 4Q and 1Q earnings. Venture capital returns for dot-com business ventures.
      • Unemployment rates for computer professionals drop back down to 4% by mid-2002, from a high of 8% in late 2001.
      • FBI scores major busts of warez and terrorist rings based on IRC, MUDs, and on-line game networks.
      • Ashcroft starts major cryptography crackdown; privacy activists are bitterly disappointed.
  26. Linux desktops will flop--and that's OK by markj02 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think Linux desktop efforts will largely continue to be a flop when it comes to the consumer or corporate space. Oh, the Gnome and KDE GUIs are about as good as Windows at this point (my mother doesn't even see much difference between KDE in Windows mode and Windows), and the basic applications are fine for home users. But Windows is a money machine for small software houses, which can sell all sorts of expensive little add-ons without fear of being cloned out of existence; these people make up a cottage industry of Microsoft advocates and supporters. And corporations believe they can't live without Outlook and Word because that's what everybody else in the world is supposedly using and because the people in them have invested too much of their careers in it already. These basic dynamics are largely unaffected by the few other developments in Linux GUI space (Mono, etc.).

    Another factor hindering Linux desktop adoption is motivation. Traditionally, open source software is developed by developers for people like themselves. They know what to do and what works for them. What's the motivation of people working on Gnome and KDE "for free"? Making a desktop usable by the Windows/Mac crowd is a labor of love, but even when doing such volunteer work, the Gnome and KDE programmers delight in customizability and complexity, not exactly a good feature in a mass market product.

    But that's OK. If I wanted to use that kind of software, I would be using it. God knows, I have paid for it with every PC I bought.

    If Linux is ever going to take over large chunks of the desktop market, I think it will be because of some radically and snazzy different new design that that by pure chance catches fire and becomes a fad.

  27. Re:wishful thinking by big_hairy_mama · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And Linux doesn't have the same problem, but worse?

    You want to copy some text. After selecting the text, do you:
    * Rely on the stupid bug in QT 2.x to copy it by only selecting it
    * Right click and select copy
    * Use Ctrl-C
    * Drag and Drop (unlikely)
    * After you do one of those, figure out which of the 15 different X clipboards it actually ended up in and retry once you realize that the app you want to paste into doesn't support the same one

    Copy a file to a floppy:
    * Mount the floppy:
    @ Double-click the icon on the Gnome or KDE desktop
    @ Right click the icon and select mount
    @ Mount manually from a command line:
    + type into XTerm, another virtual terminal, Konsole, Gnome Terminal, etc.?
    + mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
    + add entry to /etc/fstab and mount /mnt/floppy
    * drag and drop
    @ Midnight Commander
    @ Konqueror
    @ one of a dozen other file managers that don't work
    * command line
    @ again, figure out which terminal to use
    @ cp file /mnt/floppy

    So you see, your argument is completely lost. Windows has a long way to go in order to please the true idiots out there, but Linux has far, FAR farther.

  28. Re:Some of these have nothing to do with Linux... by rseuhs · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, regardless of highly restrictive OEM agreements, I'd say many PC makers (Dell, HP, Compaq to name a few) would be allies of MS.

    Well that's a bit of a stretch. "Dependendts", "Slaves" or "Prisoners" would be better descriptions, IMO.

    They will betray and leave Microsoft the first time they get the chance.

    After all, like it or not, MS brought PCs into the realm of usability for the average idiot.

    Like it or not, but this is plain wrong.

    It was asian-hardware makers which brought PCs into the price range suitable for the average person. Remember DOS? Remember high-memory? Remember IRQ/DMA problems?

    Usability is secondary and always was. Otherwise the awkard DOS could have never had any chance against MacOS.

    Do you really think Dell would be pulling in almost $32 BILLION dollars if we were still using Dr Dos?

    Now, let's get clear about something: Microsoft always trailed the computing industry. Windows was late - very late. All other computers (Amiga, Apple and most Unix) had GUIs much earlier than Microsoft.

    Yet, everybody pretends as if without Microsoft there would be no GUI. Without Microsoft, the computing industry would be a couple of years farther ahead than it is now.

    Welcome to the joys of market share. MS and the "OS-community" are in much different positions. Since most people use Windows, if a hardware manufacturer wants it's product to sell, they have to make it work with Windows.

    That's correct now, *BUT* on servers, most manufacturers support Linux as good as Windows and it's possible that a couple of years down the road, Microsoft will have to write drivers themselves for RAID, etc. and will support only a limited selection of server-hardware. (And this will eventually kill them)

    You need an example?

    Compaq dropped support for the Alpha-platform, because Linux has taken it over completely and Windows only accounted for 5% of new sales of Alpha-systems.

    Within a week, Microsoft dropped support for the Alpha, too, because they just can't support it alone, they just can't.

    Hell, even on ordinary x86-hardware, Windows is much more complicated to install if the hardware is not preconfigured by the PC-maker for Windows. If you build your own computer, you know what I mean.

    OS developers write their own drivers because they have to. Until they have sufficient market share to justify the expense from the manufacturer of creating another set of drivers, this will be their only option.

    Yes, but Microsoft does not have that option.
    Once, their dominance is in danger it's just a big way down for MS without any hope for return.