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Cold CRT Guns for Thinner CRTs

Fly writes: "According to EETimes, an Austin startup company is close to producing CRTs with cold-emission electron guns. They claim this will reduce the parts needed for electron guns as well as allow for greater control and deflection of the electron beams leading to thinner CRTs. Their technology uses older chip-manufacturing techniquest to deposit diamond tips for the guns on silicon wafers. They hope to enter the CRT market next year."

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  1. More efficient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are these going to be more energy efficient than regular CRTs? I don't really care about space, but I hate how much electricity a regular monitor wastes

  2. CRT are on thier way out by pennsol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    CRT monitors no matter how small are still big, clunky, and waist energy. They also contain lead, which is banned from landfills. LCD and TFT monitors will take over the market simply because they are better for the sellers as for the buyers, Smaller size cheaper to store, cheaper to ship. IMHO this company has a few merits but is beating a dead horse.

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  3. Lower Cost...Higher Quality by peterdaly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While it may be lower cost (for the gun) and higher quality, I bet the first ones we see will be more expensive. I've got a Sony Trinitron 21" in front of my face right now. I also have a Dell Laptop whos LCD can do 1600x1200. The SOny monitor pales in comparison. The monitor (and the one I previously used at work) have not done great things for my eyes, due to their slight bluring at super high resolutions. My eyesight has improved since I started using primarily my LCD/Laptop. It would be nice to see what kind of quality gain is possible with this. I would be willing to upgrade my hot 21" to a cold 21" if the sharpness is much better.

    This sounds like a cool technology.

    -Pete

  4. Multiple Guns in CRT's by PoiBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article I gathered that these electron guns are really a type of semiconductor, meaning that they can be controlled rather precisely.

    That got me thinking. Currently, all CRT's have one set of electron guns at the center of the screen. Would it be possible to partition the screen into, say, four areas, each of which is painted by it's own set of guns.

    This would have many advantages. Displays could be thinner, larger screens with higher resolution could be made, and (possibly) less energy would be required since the electrons from the guns would not have to fly nearly as far.

    It seems the only tricky part would be getting the borders of adjacent areas to line up properly.

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    1. Re:Multiple Guns in CRT's by Yarn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting idea.

      However, the electronics to drive it would not be simple. Currently we have 3 fairly high frequency signals, one for each gun (red, green and blue). For this idea you'd need a set of three signals for each separate gun. Assuming you split into 4 subdisplays, you'd need 12 signals (plus the various sync and other control channels). I don't think a common-or-garden graphics card is going to do that very well. Better to do it within the monitor, I'd guess it'd increase the price by about $100.

      Now, the alignment. Not as hard as you imagine; at least all the parts are within one enclosure. The display could auto-calibrate by aligning signals off the edge of the viewable area.

      Cross-talk between the different steering coils would be a far larger problem. You could either compensate for this automatically (increased electronics complexity, expensive, reliability issues) or put in some mu-metal to absorb the field (expensive, heavy)

      I suggest you do a patent search, see if anyone's had this idea before. Personally, I don't think it's feasable ;)

      Oh, and as for energy saving, I don't think so! Electrons lose very little energy during flight.

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  5. This could be VERY popular by MtViewGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Folks,

    While the new LCD flat-panel displays are dropping in price, you still have to deal with three issues: 1) screen blurring on very fast motion (though this has gotten way better in the last year or so), 2) LCD's are optimized for one display resolution and 3) they're still fairly expensive (especially now with 19" CRT monitors now under US$200 in price).

    Given the CRT monitors maintain their sharpness from 640x680 all the way up to 1600x1200 and beyond (depending on the dot pitch of the monitor) and can run at 85 Hz vertical refresh rate for true flicker-free viewing, I think they're still preferred for serious imaging processing work. The new very-low profile CRT's using this new technology will allow 17" to 21" monitors have less physical depth than even the old 14" monitors from way back, which means more room saved on your desk.

    I think this company may license the technology to Samsung or LG Electronics, both of which now make excellent monitors at reasonable prices. Samsung could have a huge winner right here with high-resolution CRT monitors that have half the depth of their predecessors.

  6. An interesting note... by Patrick+Cable+II · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if this will reduce EF emmisions, and in turn reduce the possibility of van Eck phreaking?

    Just a thought for the incredibally security paranoid ;-)

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  7. Two articles confused. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have reed an article an year ago about these screens, if they get them to work they should be really cool. They have almost all advantages of TFTs but have also almost all advantages of CRTs. They are very flat like a TFT ...

    I think you may have two articles conflated.

    This one seems to be talking about using a diamond "forest" of cold emitters to replace the heated-cathode in a conventional electron gun, then deflecting the beam in the standard fashion, leading to an ordinary rectangular-cone CRT (but with no heater and instant-on).

    You seem to be referring to another approach that was to use cold-emitters (which would also benefit from this breakthrough.):

    The display consisted of a (glass) honeycomb of short individual "tubes".

    Each "tube" had a single emitter "spike" (substitute "small forest") at the base.

    A control electrode near the emitter (maybe substitute one per emitter in the "forest") switched it on/off and modulated the beam intensity. The voltage is near the cathode's and the voltage swing is just a couple volts, so you can use conventional transistor electronics.

    (You can actually use two or more electrodes to do a matrix address and beam modulation, with the voltage gradient at the emitter tip or a space charge near it performing the computation so you don't need a separate switch per-pixel.)

    The beam was accellerated along the narrow channel - the front portion of which contained an accelleration electrode with a constant high voltage - similar to a normal CRT. Difference: The beam could be bounced repeatedly between the channel walls, picking up additional electrodes by secondary emission.

    The beam strikes a single phosphor dot at the end of the channel.

    So you end up with something that can be fabricated (except for the cathode spike and maybe the modulation electrodes) by glass molding, vapor deposition of electrode metal, and micropipette phosphor-solution placement, and driven by essentially the same chips that run an LCD plus a single, unmodulated, high-voltage supply. The tubes are very short and the honeycomb of glass separating the individual tubes also supports the front screen, so you don't need thick heavy glass to fight 15 PSI of atmospheric pressure across more than a foot of unsupported span. Pixel placement is controlled by fabrication, so there's no sensitivity to local magnetic fields, no geometry adjustment. Of course in addition to no need to heat the cathodes there's no need to power and rapidly modulate an enormous magnetic deflection field.

    And this new article tells you why we don't yet have either the cold-emission conventional CRT or the honeycomb flat-panel CRT: Positive ions from any impurities in the vacuum or kicked off the target or the sides of the channel are accellerated back toward the gun, slamming into the tip(s) and rapidly eroding it. RCA had a patent on field emission vacuum tubes but didn't feel like pursuing the technology with materials research. So the whole filed languished.

    One of the biggest problems in the development of these things is that there isn't that much room between the electron emiter and the phosphorus, because of that they couldn't speedup the electron to the same speeds they get in a normal CRT and need to find new low-energy phosphoruses.

    Huh? Space shouldn't be an issue. The final velocity of the electron only depends on the accelleration voltage, not the length of the path. The path only needs to be long enough to prevent arc-over along the surface of the glass (or in any residual gas in the "vacuum"), and that's a fraction of an inch.

    With a conventional tube the voltage gradient also has to be low enough that the electrodes don't bend out of place. But that limit would be MUCH higher with the electrodes plated onto a glass surface or supported by the walls of a pixel-wide glass honeycomb cell, rather than by mica spacers and thin copper wire.

    I expect the conventional-CRT style to come out first. It's only being held back by the RCA patent that just expired. The flat-panel might take longer, due to other patents, the need to build a "wafer" the size of the screen rather than the size of an electron-gun cathode, and possibly worse problems with tip erosion due to the limited number of tips per pixel.

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  8. scarcity of engineers by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "Most U.S. engineers with experience in the CRT industry are retired, and finding good people in this field was very hard," Kalar said. Extreme Devices received what Kalar called "a godsend" when LG Electronics decided to close the former Zenith CRT manufacturing facility in Melrose Park, Ill., in October 1998, the same time that Extreme Devices was staffing up.

    Part of this was the close down of many manufacturing sectors in the USA. Most TV makers are now non-US, or are US in name only, for example

    I know of several folks who will rant at the drop of a hat on this subject alone.

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  9. Digital In? by Lewisham · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Analogue is a old blurry beast which we must destroy. How any company can believe that it can revive a dying sector which is wholly based on analogue transmission is beyond me. LCD is flatter and uses less power. That doesn't really bother me (hell, this space rock's enviornment is on it's way out too :) ) and the desk space I'd save I'd fill up with old magazines/important college work never to be see again/toast growing new organisms. *But* the crystal clear digital transmission afforded by new LCD monitors interests me a great deal. The image quality is a lot better than a VGA in and CRT monitors can't offer that.

    Death to waves! Long live the 1/0 revolution!

  10. Is this field emission (tunneling)? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The actual technology they are using isn't mentioned in the article, but I have a hunch it is some form of field emission. This is the same principle used in electron microscopy. A narrow emission tip is placed in a large potential gradient (electric field), and the electrons simply tunnel out of the tip. Their secret is probably the material the tip is made of: different materials have widely different tunneling rates.

    The article brings up a good point. Using thermoionic emission (as is done now) is a little outdated and almost barbaric :)