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Simply GNUstep Delivers UNIX, Simply

Eugenia writes "A new, Linux-based operating system released recently, called Simply GNUstep and it is based on the GNUstep architecture, originally built by NeXT (OpenSTEP) and is now also used by MacOSX (Cocoa). The alpha version of the x86-based OS is available for download and boots off the 110 MB bootable CD. The cool thing about Simply GNUstep is its partial source compatibility with MacOSX programs (further compatibility is still worked on) and its clean infrastructure, as it only includes GnuSTEP graphical applications like WindowMaker, Mail.app etc. You can read an introduction article of the OS at OSNews."

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  1. frist ps0t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    1. Re:frist ps0t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  3. Re:early post! by zaqattack911 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    you're a moron

  4. enlighten me by rtscts · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Graphical Boot-Up (no confusing Linux kernel messages)
    Kept as simple as possible (no GNOME, no KDE, etc, just GNUstep)
    I'm cool with all the features except these two. A) I hope it's easy to get rid of the graphical startup. B) what the hell works with GNUstep? Gnome and KDE have been fighting for the "user-friendly" crown for ages, what's GNUstep bring to the party?
  5. Re:If it's a fairly BSDish Linux.. by Mr_Matt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    vi=vim,

    Not to be hyper-critical, but what's so bad about vim? I recall Slackware 3.4 using vim as vi, and it worked just as well as the ancient Sun-provided vi that I was using at work.

    Okay, so I'm nitpicking, but isn't that what geeks do? :)

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  6. Vesa 2.0? by drenehtsral · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Hey, does anybody know if there are _ANY_ Vesa 2.0 compliant video cards on the market anymore? I don't recall seeing anything with ROM'd Vesa 2.0 since my old VLB Hercules card that used the W32 chipset...

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  8. our national debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    In 1928 The stock market was was getting into a uncontrollable, inflated, speculation spiral upward, the government intervened several times by raising bond prices, but that didnt work, and for the next year and a half, the speculative bubble continued, which brought the private sector(amateurs) into the market.

    The amateurs were incouraged to get rich quick,"everybodies doin it", it was not so much the stocks passing,from the rich to the poor as it was the stocks passing from the smart to the dumb, it was like a pyramid scheme,the ones that get in at the end lose, of course, also many that had put all their eggs in one basket lost too.

    In the summer of 1928, prices continued to soar, prices in 1927 were very over inflated, but late in 1928 and in the the summer of 1929 they were preposterous.

    The Fed decided that the only way that speculators would come out of their speculation madness, would be if they were shaken out of it, The Fed said, that "we will just let it go and keep hands off", the Fed did not want to precipitate the crash, that they knew was coming.

    But even the Fed did not fully realise the grave consequences of the situation, another problem was the amount out on margine debt (credit) over 6 billion $, finally reaching over 7 billion, equal to probably $200 billion in todays money (todays margine debt is at 265 billion dollars).

    Early in september of 1929 the market broke and many wise people ( mostly pros) saw that the market was milked as far as it could go and started takng their money out of it,which caused it to drop about 20% which wiped out the margines (credit) of many amateur traders.

    Then many giant stock holders could see what was coming and dumped huge blocks of stock of 20,000,10,000,5,000 and 1,000 shares on the market, this in turn wiped out more margine of many others, who kept hanging on.

    Then there was forced selling, when brokers told their clients, that their margine (credit) had been wiped out,which a few days later turned into panic and fear, which goes to show that every market, sooner or later (including todays market) will surely find its true value.

    The Markets of the 1920s were riding the wave of the new inventions of the electronic age and the automobile age;and many other gadgets were being mass produced, which put many people to work; also credit was easy, so people could buy these gadgets.

    The problems started, when most of these new items like autos, radios, refrigerators, etc., began to saturate the market.

    Most of the stock values on those things were very much over inflated, just as computer stocks are today.

    Todays markets are very similar, but much worse, and are riding on the wave of computer tech stocks, as well as borrowed money (the national debt), and personal debt; also one problem with computer stocks is that they are very unstable stocks.

    Anytime there is a power outage, the value of these "Dot Com" stocks take hits and it would be easy for fear and panic to set in, because of some unforseen problem, also most of the "Dot coms" are still priced at an average of 25 times, their potential earnings ratio, some; as much as 200 times.

    Right now computers are starting to saturate the market and reach their limit, yet there are giant inventories of computer goods on the shelves.

    The Stock market is just a barometer of the market value, as a whole; but there are always those that manipulate this "barometer", for their own gains.

    But the greater danger now, is that we have run up the most incredible debt in the history of mankind, $5,887,000,000,000, and it is increasing at $464,000,000, per day, also personal debt in this country is trillions of dollars.

    Another severe problem has been that in this "boom" period from 1990-2001, when we were riding the "computer wave" credit went up 400%, but wages only went up 10%, so people have gone heavily in to debt to buy all of the modern tech. stuff, and the average credit card holder is in debt $8,000, and in a time where things are starting to wind down, and many people are getting thrown out of work.

    Our balance of trade is now running at Minus $400,000,000,000 per year, we have a soft currency not backed by siver or gold,we have a giant army to support, and we are trying to take care of the rest of the world's problems by being the world's policeman.

    In 1929 we had virtually no debt, and no giant army to support, and we had a currency backed by silver and gold.

    The way it is now as long as this unpayable debt is hanging over us like an ax, the ax can fall at any time, and when it does we could be just weeks away from acute disaster, but we do not know exactly when it is going to fall.

    In Spite of this great "surplus", that we are told that we have, we cannot do much, but pay the interest on the debt.

    But any kind of a major setback,or natural disaster could cause the debt to explode completly out of control and crack the whole financial wall and economic structure of the country wide open,right now we are just barely able to pay the $400 billion a year interest on the debt,which is an amount that most countries dont even take in.

    What happens when we cannot pay it? This debt is like a giant dam holding ten times more water than it should be holding,the cracks are starting to appear,it is starting to groan,the workers are going around dabbing thimbles full of cement on it (The Fed),The manager (Greenspan) of the dam keeps telling everybody ,"everything is alright!, "we can put more water into the dam indefinitely', until one day unexpectedly, the whole thing comes crashing down with a resounding roar , that takes, everything and everyone with it right down the river and out to the sea; and it will be a roar, that will be heard around the world.

    Since this original letter was written about a year ago ,the Dow Jones Averages have been stale mated in a narrow range, but lately down 1500 points

    The Nasdaq market has suffered incredible losses,about 4 trillion dollars, this is money that will not be coming back into the market, because the professionals dont have the leverage of the amateur's money to throw around, any longer.

    All together about 6 Trillion dollars has been lost

    In 1929 the market Crashed in October, but it wasn't until early 1930, that most of the people really knew the great significance of what had happened.

    The market continued down for 34 months; losing 86% of its value, inspite of the Fed lowering rates eight times, and the market didn't come back to its 1929 level, until 1954.

    Right now the blow has been struck; we are like the Titanic; who had the mortal wound, after striking the iceberg; only very few knew it.

    Many of the Amateurs have been wiped out, and many of the pros have gotten out, while the gettin was good.

    Either the investor's margine (credit) has been wiped out, or they are very cautious or scared to put a great deal of money back into the market.

    Also in spite of hearing about the great surplus, that we are supposed to have,the National debt stands at $5,888,000,000,000.00,and is still increasing. at 464 mill. a day

    This debt was built up in good times and the government has been able to do nothing, but pay the interest on debt.

    What happens when the bad times come?

  9. er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The alpha version of the x86-based OS is available for download and boots off the 110 MB bootable CD
    "In related news, running water is again available and may be let from the faucet and is protected by a new seal ensuring the authentic freshness of pristine mountain Maine in every bottle of Poland Springs mineral water."

  10. I hate CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  11. I love vim by Improv · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Don't misunderstand -- I really love vim,
    and use it all the time for work. I just don't
    want it to launch when I type 'vi'. I usually
    want to compile my own vim with all the
    options I want (that is, I want 'vim -g' to work,
    among other things). I don't want vi to go away
    when I remove the vim package. Also, in recent
    versions of redhat, vim as vi reads your .vimrc,
    but it then complains when you have vim-specific
    things in it (like 'syntax on'). I couldn't be
    nearly as effective in my programming job without
    vim, but I just don't want vi to be vim in
    disguise.

    --
    For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
  12. Re:The sad part is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A German tourist who complained of a foul odor in his hotel room unwittingly led police to a decomposed corpse under the bed where he spent the night.

    Saturday, police were still investigating the identity and death of a woman found under a bed at the Travelers Hotel at 4767 NW 36th St. in Miami Springs. A maid found the body Friday morning after the tourist complained of a foul smell as he was checking out.

    The body was so badly decomposed, investigators have only been able to determine the woman was five feet tall, weighed about 100 pounds and had shoulder length brown hair. She was wearing a blue-green top and lacy black skirt.

    "It's bizarre," said [police police spokeswoman]. "We don't know how long she was there."

    [autopsy done Saturday, findings not released] [tourist questioned, cops let him go]

    "We were looking for the smell," said [hotel housekeeper]. "We thought it came from the roof, but it was in the room."

    [hotel manager not talking] [life goes on at the hotel, maids, maintenance guys doing their jobs] [another guest says "It's just something that happens. I've enjoyed spending the winter here."]

    But the news certainly impacted the manager of a nearby hotel with a similar name - the Travelodge Hotel at 5301 NW 36th St.

    [Travelodge manager asks media not to confuse the name of the hotel where corpse was found. Says "It's been on the news and on the radio. There's concern among guests."]

  13. Re:Often, mixes turn out to be worse than the part by davechen · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    Mmmmmmm. Jello steak.

  14. Not truly unix.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The slashdot drinking game.

    Requires:

    Several friends.
    An entire day to waste drunk.
    Numerous servings of the alcoholic beverage of your choice. Beer would be safer than hard stuff, because you'll be

    drinking alot.


    Often, we see the same things day in and day out on slashdot. Why not use
    it as an excuse to get drunk?


    Rules:


    1.Start around 9am, EST, when it's reasonable to assume hordes of
    slashdotters will have gotten to work and begun wasting the day trying to
    get first post on their company's fat pipe. (If you can actually drink at
    work, post where you work. I'll send my resume)
    1a. If you can't get all your friends together for an all day
    binge, start at night with the oldest article.


    2. Play ends when everyone has passed out, puked, or surrendered. Last one
    drinking wins. Play shall be suspended if anyone is rushed to the hospital
    for alcohol poisoning.


    3.For every article with grevious spelling or grammatical errors on the
    front page, drink a shot.


    4.For every front page broken link, drink a shot.


    5.For every JonKatzBot article, drink two shots.
    5a. Read the article.
    5b. Drink a shot for every appearance of the phrase "coporate
    republic"


    6.Drink a shot if the first post on a new article is remotely on topic.
    6a. Drink another shot if it gets modded up to +5 funny
    6b. Drink Two shots if it gets modded to +5 interesting or
    insightful.
    6c. If someone has moderator points, and blows them all on modding
    the first poster up, then that player need not drink, no matter how unfair
    the moderating.


    7. Drink a shot for every link to goatse.cx
    7a. Drink a shot for every ASCII version of the goatse.cx pic
    presented in the comments.


    8. Drink half a shot for every comment that mentions either:
    a. Natalie Portman
    b. Beowulf Clusters


    9. Drink a shot for every offtopic comment involving the sexual escapades
    of any slashdot staff.


    10.Drink a shot if the slashdot fortune was generated with a script.


    11. Drink a shot for every poster who has a porn site link in their sig.


    12. Drink a shot for every sig that mentions anonymous cowards.


    13. Drink a shot if someone has their UID in their sig, or mentions it.


    14. Drink a shot for any comment that has been moderated to hell (IE,
    moderated =
    15. Any player who has Karma greater than 26 gets to skip the first drink
    15a. greater than 40 skips 2 drinks
    15b. = 50 skips 3 drinks
    15c. less than -1, one drink penalty
    15d. less than -8 two drink penalty


    Have fun!

  15. Not having a taskbar sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Your panel need not have a taskbar, if that's your bitch.

    You're right, but I just realised something strange.

    I disabled the taskbar and suddenly felt very uncomfortable with my desktop.

    Not having a bar at the bottom of the screen makes me feel like I'm floating in air, about to fall into a bottomless pit.

    There just has to be something down there...

  16. Why?: #@ +1 ; From George W. Bush @# by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Because Linux is for Communists.

  17. Re:Often, mixes turn out to be worse than the part by Cheetahfeathers · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Um... you know that gelatin is meat, usually cow, right? Though often it's horse instead. :)

  18. OT: Television by lightfoot+jim · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    I know it's offtopic....

    Why does not having a TV make you a better person?

    I don't have a TV either. I don't believe that it makes me a better person. However, when I mention that I don't have a TV, a lot of people immediately get very defensive. Bear in mind that I don't go around advertising this fact. It's more like,

    "Did you see Friends last night?"
    "No, missed it."
    "What, how could you miss Friends?!!"
    "I don't own a TV."

    For whatever reason, people tend to get really defensive, as if they feel attacked. The reaction is almost exactly like when I've told pot smokers that I don't smoke pot. It's not an uncommon response for them to ask, "What? Do you think that makes you better than me?" even though I made no indication that it was a moral issue. This is the response of someone who feels guilty for their behavior, right or wrong as it may be to feel that way. In the context of such an exchange, I might actually reply, in exasperation, that not owning a TV or not smoking pot or whatever it may be really does make me a better person. I think that's where the sig comes from.

    Besides, TV really does suck. Can you make any argument in favor of owning a TV? Well, it looks as though you did.

    Still, it does me good to be in on the pop culture of our times. Without a TV I wouldn't be as much a part of US society.

    Does this really sound that convincing to you? It's just a pretty way of saying that TV is a cultural normalizer. Have you noticed that in any given time of day, all the major networks have rather similar shows? That's because TV programming is predicated on uniformity of its audience.

    If you watch a person's behavior when they shoot up smack, it's the same as when they watch TV. The eyes gloss over, the body slumps, the brain goes into an alpha state, etc. Look at how a person watches TV. What's channel surfing? It's looking for something to lull the viewer into a trance. If people really watched for content they would stick to certain shows, or just rent DVDs. That's far from the norm. The norm is to get off work and look through the channels for something to dullen the senses, just like a closet drunk looking in various hiding places around the house for a bottle stashed away. This may seem like an extreme comparison. Bear in mind that liver damage will cut a person's life by ten years perhaps. How many years do people surrender to TV, thirty minutes at a time?

    Do I really think I'm better than you for not owning a TV? No. But I do feel like I'm enjoying a freedom of mind that a lot of people choose to give up in order to pass the time. Perhaps they view the choice of what to do with their free time as a burden. Maybe they are really concerned with what will happen on Survivor. I just happen not to feel that way. But if someone should get defensive with me when I tell them so, I'd probably give it right back to them.

    --
    The state is the great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everybody else. ~F. Bastiat
  19. Re:Often, mixes turn out to be worse than the part by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Mmmmmmmm. Steak Jello!

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    Do ya feel happy-go-lucky, punk?
  20. Re:Simply Palm by RevAaron · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    And having a three-letter acronym starting with a "K" as your handle, you'd think it has something to do with that KKK organization.

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    Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad