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Why 'rm -R star' Isn't Enough

zdburke writes: "Short but interesting article in the New York Times (free reg req'd) about how difficult it is to cover your digital tracks because electronic documents are so well distributed -- on your lap top, on your workstation, on the server... Yes there are tools to thoroughly delete files on your computer, rather than just unlinking them when they're put in the trash, but it's the distributed nature of content these days that poses a special problem to the Ollie North's of the world."

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  1. Not a problem... by Sabalon · · Score: 5, Funny

    On my harddrive space challenged machine, usually the reason I delete something is to make room for something else. So, chances are if they want "super-secret-MS-secrets.txt", the sectors have already been overwritten by "bspears-nude.jpg"

    :)

  2. It's you that controls distribution... by Calle+Ballz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Say you have important information on your hard drive. You only want one other person to see that information so you put that information on a floppy disk then give it to that person. No one else can see this information. You then take a pencil and stab the magnetic film of the floppy about 30 - 40 times. You then take lighter fluid and douse the entire floppy and light it. Stomp on the ashes for extra measure. Since the data has been on your computer. You must first take your hard drive out. Expose it to a giant magnet, then shoot it with a 12 guage (twice). Take all the IC's out of your computer and smash them with a sledgehammer, then run over them with your truck. Burn those with lighter fluid too. Since your monitor most likely displayed that sensitive information, you must take it to a helicopter and drop it. Have the helicopter land on the debris for safe measure.

    Ensure that the other person gives your data to no one. Do a thorough background check on him and his closest 50 living relatives. After he is done processing the information; shoot him.

    No need to worry about any information getting anywhere.

  3. Gotta get one of them thar modern computers by Sabalon · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is because modern computers organize information by using file-system directories that point to physical areas on a disk drive where the data resides. "Deleting" the information usually only breaks the link between the directory and the data so that the original storage space can be reused in the future.

    Gee...what a stride. Too bad we didn't have technology like this in the 80's. A company like Norton could have made a killing making tools to relink the file table with these sectors, almost as if they were UNDELETEing the file.

    I just love expressions like "modern computers" used in this way, when the reporter meant to say "Well...this is new to me, must be new to the computer too." Of course, we all know that it is the computer that has this behaviour - not the OS sitting on top of it :)

    IIRC, DOS used to just replace the first character name of a file with a ? in the FAT when you deleted it, so to undelete it, you just supplied a letter to "rename" the file as.

  4. Re:That's why I own by stripes · · Score: 4, Funny
    I wonder when IBM or someone will build a HD with a self delete 'fail safe' system. When the drive powers down without a password, wipe.

    They have, the 75GXP.

  5. I was hired to recover files once by 4444444 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was hired to recover files from a hard drive by a woman who was getting a divorce. Her husband had been cheeting on her. The moron had norton systemworks installed on his system and never defraged his drive. I was able to recover over a years worth of incriminating emails with nortons undelete. Boy was that easy money

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  6. Easy Solution... by telstar · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you have problems destroying documents, you could always ask Arthur Anderson or Enron.

  7. US Government Outlaws File Deletion by t_allardyce · · Score: 4, Funny

    The US government today announced plans to impose restrictions on so called 'File Deletion' utilities, and possibly even outlaw them altogether, in the name of national security. "These file deletion programs can be used by terrorists to cover their tracks, and remove evidence." claimed a government security expert. "criminals such as Osama Bin Laden, can cover up any electronic evidence, and make prosecution impossible." However, civil liberties groups claim that the ban would infringe their first amendment rights. Other experts claim that anyone can create a file deletion program with even basic programming knowledge. We interviewed one expert who explained how: "One simple way to make sure your data is wiped clean, is remove the hard drive from your computer, and place it in a furnace for 15-20 minutes." the interview was cut short, when government agents stormed the building and arrested the expert for "discussing circumnavigation devices for data deletion".

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  8. Re:Undeleting files on *nix by dunstan · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the basis of my favourite party trick - booting a Linux system without a kernel. As LILO works pointing to a disc location (rather than a filetable entry), you can boot a system from a kernel which has been deleted as follows:

    1) Put /boot into its own disc partition (to stop normal filesystem activity reclaiming the disc blocks)
    2) Use lilo etc., to set the machine to boot off a kernel image
    3) rm the kernel file
    4) reboot the machine

    Because nothing in /boot has reclaimed the disc blocks, LILO will still be able to start loading at the the same data location, and will still find disc blocks which constitute a valid kernel. Voila, you've deleted your kernel, but still booted it.

    Obviously, Don't Try this out unless you know what you're doing - and even then try it with a spare kernel, not your only one.

    Dunstan

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  9. Doh! by d0minique · · Score: 5, Funny
    Her husband had been cheeting on her.

    Was it the orange stains on his hands and the faint odor of cheese that gave him away?

  10. You have to press 'y' too many times by debrain · · Score: 4, Funny

    'rm -Rf star' is much preferrable, or '/bin/yes | rm -R star'. Otherwise you would be there all day pressing 'y'. You could always do it the Homer Simspon water bird way...

    (I know ... offtopic and frivilous...)