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California's "Wireless-Free" Zone
pangur writes: "In Wired, there's the story about how Arthur Firstenberg changed Mendocino, CA into a 'wireless-free zone' as a safehaven for those deemed 'electrically sensitive'. His critics claim that he is driving away any chance of a significant economy."
Perhaps he uses the levels to know precise levels of energy and amplititude that cause particular sensations. If one were going to find the level at which the human body registers heat as pain instead of warmth one would have to do something similar.
Devil's advocate mode off.
These are people that will not adapt to the new enviroment that some if not most humans will prosper in if this is true. Evolution will select for those people that can thrive under fluorescent light, surrounded by electrical devices, and generally bathed in ever increasing amounts of radiation (be it electromagnetic or otherwise) without significant genetic, physical or psychological damage. The rest of them can have the surface of this planet we will send up fruit baskets every once in awhile and we will be sure to visit when we are hungry after a long day's work.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
This site actually mentions such things. A government site nonetheless but do such things exist ?
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
After reading all the posts at my threshold, I was appalled to see a significant lack of 'interesting' or 'informative' comments. This is a serious problem for certain people, and just because you don't experience it yourself doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
My grandmother suffers from a psychosomatic disease that makes her very ill when around certain things (i.e. televisions, CRTs, anything with a strong or synthetic odor, etc.). She has been unable for many years now to watch an entire 30 minute TV show without turning the set off during commercials. But like I said, it's purely psychosomatic... in her head.
For example, a few years ago, our family bought her a computer for Christmas. Very slow, very lacking of features, but it allows for email, word processing, and checking of stocks, which is all she needs or ever will need. Problem was, it had a CRT, so she never used it. Ever. So as the LCD screens began coming out, I thought a change of monitors would let her use the computer. Prefacing the purchase of the LCD with information about how the screen doesn't emit the "harmful electrons" that TVs use, she agreed that it might be worth a try. Making sure that a return policy was in effect for the purchase, I bought the LCD and installed it at her house for a test run. She was able to use it without any problems and did not feel sick at all. "Sick," by the way, does not mean feeling a simple headache. We're talking shaking of extremities, loss of strength, vomiting. Even though it has been assumed (and probably proven) that electron emission has no harmful effects, my grandma doesn't care. As long as she thinks it's emitting stuff at her, she will get sick. Tell her it works like a LCD (my explanation to her: thousands of tiny light bulbs arranged in a pattern. just miniature versions of the ones that light your house), and she's completely fine.
So please, take this seriously. Our family has had to deal with it for years now. Say what you will about the author of the article, but people do suffer from the so-called electro-pollution. Even though it may be all in their minds.
IWARS.
People, in general, disappoint me. Politicians even more so.
There sufficent reasons to questions Randi that no one needs to invent them. Even many hard core (CSICOPS types) sceptics will admit that Randi habitually makes logical errors and abuses his guests. This isn't to say that Randi hasn't exposed some outright quackery, but that he is only interested in promoting his agenda, not science.
Ok, so I have just read every post here and I must say that nearly every single post is just dismissing these people as "nutjobs" and laughing at them.
What no-one has really done is to consider different parts of the EM spectrum- I mean- not many people think that the power lines in their home make them ill, but a hell of a lot of people (myself included) feel actual physical symptoms from using mobile phones. We're not talking about the discomfort from pressing a piece of plastic on your head here, but weird heat and tingling sensations in the eye for example.
There have been mixed findings from mobile studies, but some have found elevated blood pressure in subjects, disturbed sleep if mobile left on bedside-cabinet etc.
Like someone else posted- we used to think smoking was safe. If you said to someone then that smoking could kill them, they'd say "No way! See, I'm smoking now and I feel fine!"
Police in the uk have been ordered to limit mobile calls to 5 minutes or under, as have some large companies, since they don't want to get sued.
I'm just saying- we don't know what effect the upper frequencies like 2.4Ghz are having on us, and the recent explosion in use of this frequency is cause for at least lots of proper scientific studies that mobile phone companies can't tamper with.
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