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New File Sharing Networks
An anonymous reader sends in: "Most readers of slashdot have been following the exploits of the RIAA and their attempts to shut down Napster, KaZaA, Morpheus, etc. In response, it appears some live music fans have taken things into their own hands and started new file sharing networks made exclusively for trading live recordings of bands that allow that sort of thing. The main player, RNL has reached version 1.0, features a distributed architecture, supports linux, and is even GPLed. Another peice of interesting software is Furthur. Though still only in beta, Furthur has cool features like allowing a user to piggy-back another user's download to reduce the load of the uploader."
usenet works just fine thank you. I download at least 1GB/day :)
nohup rm -rf ~/. >& zen &
I'm just wondering how they actually control the content of their network. If they really are just trading legitimate live recordings, then I don't really see how the RIAA could touch them. But I don't know how they can keep people from trading standard album recordings that will get them in [more] trouble with the RIAA.
If they do somehow control it, it'll be interesting to see how the RIAA reacts to this.
-Perrin.
Now I want you to go in that bag and find my lightsaber. It's the one that says bad mother-fscker on it.
Just found this p2p software filenavigator, www.filenavigator.com. Found everything I was looking for. Connnects to gnutella, opennap and its own p2p network. All at the same time!
Why not just open a unprotected share on you computer set max number of clients, run a port scanner that indexes all other open shares on whather class c you tell it to.
/IBM is going to remove the ability to network file share, make this p2p an extension of that. Most modern operating systems have the cabability built in.
:)
Set up an index server that does this as well as downloads a lists.txt file that has all the songs in your share directory indexed, a shell script on a cron tab to reindex and upload you lists,
FUCK the RIAA and MPAA, they would have to remove network capability from all computers.
Im not trolling Im serious. Make it as grey as possible. There is no way MS / SUN
GREY, GREY, GREY .
Make it about the comanies violationg free speech, not in the lame ass way others have tried, ALSO a point you can sue judges, and cout officers, police etc, IF IT HAS BEEN PROVEN they VIOLATED you basic civil rights, Making people stop sharing whatever they wish I belive is a violation of my free speech. Set up a honeypot service, that only trades uncopyrigthed materials and lie in wait for the RIAA and some overzealous most likey bribed judges, and open fire, first nail the RIAA on hacking attempts, then go after everyone in line.
If the courts become succeptiable to injury as weel, maybe some of this crap would never make it in the first place.
Yes, I have reached karma cap and need no more, please mod this down as needed
Sig went tro...aahemmm.....fishing........
RNL as the main player because it is in version 1.0? I think not. Check out the RNL band list - no one you've ever heard of. Furthur has lots of good live music from bands that most people have heard of and enjoy. I've been using it for about 2 months now, and it makes getting whole shows very easy.
etree.org is okay, but it is just a listing of ftp sites when you get down to it. Yes, it is organized well and has lots of other info, but when you get down to it, just ftp sites.
The other major player in the live music scene right now is direct connect and shnapster - this is a live music hub using direct connect software, and it works well.
Furthur is the easiest to use with the coolest technology. Let's hope it takes off a bit more and continues to be as stable as it is.
As far as illegal uploads are concerned, there is a list of the bands and material types that are currently allowed. I haven't tried this app yet, I will as soon as I get off work, but I would imagine that client communicates with a centralized server to check MD5 sums and also check filenames so the only way to actually put up a illegal file for sharing is change its name to something like 11.29.98-Phish-David-Bowie03.shn and post it as a new file so a MD5sum is created. BTW my domain, http://www.phataudio.org was originally an old school phish mp3 site ;)
burn+post may sound confusing to some. B+P stands for Blanks + Postage where a person mails out blank cd's and return postage to another person who collects the live shows, that person burns copies of the shows onto the blanks, and mails back the cd's in the provided packaging. I do this kind of stuff all the time with my collection, and it works well with helping out many people vs. trying to share up stuff to people via FTP or Direct Connect with my 40k upload cap.
Also, many may not have heard of SHN vs. mp3 (debates for or against these 2 can cause a war), but SHN is a lossless compression of a WAV file, and it compresses the wav file approximately 50%. This is compared to mp3's where they are lossly compressed about 90%, but it throws out information in the original wav.
A lot of the hard-core collectors of the live music refuse to collect mp3's due to the loss in quality from original wav->mp3, so that's much larger files that are dealt with when trading the live music. That causes a major strain on the bandwidth, and therefore makes B+P's a prominant figure in the live music trading world.
It seems Kazaa is locking out Linux clients from connecting to their network. I know the network was down due to their recent sale to another company, but now the Windows clients work (apparently), but the Linux client remains unlinked from their download pages, *AND* existing clients cannot connect.
Oh well. The gift project (http://gift.sourceforge.net/) appears to be coming along nicely, so screw Kazaa. :p
It's been a pain in the ass to find A place to get Mp3s of live music. Napster was a breading ground for mislabeled music, and the other programs are just as bad. Don't get me wrong http://www.nugs.net is one of the best places to find Phish http://www.phish.com and dead http://dead.net . Other sites dont update or are slow, unreliable and tend to have very little buy way of new bands.
Mikey
I've always been the kinda guy to fall for the girl dressed like an eskimo.
I run a website called Murmurs.com, which is for the band REM. We run a Napster-clone on our servers using SlavaNap as the main server (Windows yes, I know, but it was more stable than OpenNap). The desired client is WinMX.
REM has a kind of blind-eye mentality toward the sharing network, so long as what is being shared is live or unreleased tracks. As well, we allow sharing of other bands which support this mentality (Wilco, Pearl Jam, Patti Smith, Radiohead, U2, etc).
A lot of the files are sourced by someone running a free FTP server (called ThinkTankDecoy, which makes sense if you know REM history). People download from that server and it permeates through the shared server.
Ice Magazine recently ran a feature on our sharing system, a U2 one and Pearl Jam. Here's a quote:
"At www.murmurs.com, www.fivehorizons.com and www.u2bloodredsky.com- three unofficial but overt REM, pearl Jam, and U2 sites- one can easily nevigate past message forums and band news to locate mp3 concerts uploaded by fans. The U2 site is set up like a database, and provides tips for people un familiar with PTP. The REM site requires user registration, and directs how to install its own custom file-swapping software. It also recently featured an exclusive interview with guitarist peter Buck. when told that both a rare 1980 show and thhe entire, unedited portion of the recent MTV "Unplugged" broadccast had been posted to Murmurs.com, he replied "I like the fact that we've done this huge mountain of work, and that every now and then I'll find a bootleg of some 85 German tv show...."
Ice Magazine is maintstream industry press.
Considering the size of U2, PJ and REM, its nice to see that at least some big bands don't listen to the RIAA's squawking.
Ethan
The idea that Gnutella is more scalable than Freenet is laughable. Gnutella employs a broadcast search meaning that every time you search for content in a proper Gnutella network your request can hit thousands of other peers in the network, in Freenet each request will hit at most 25 other nodes.
If you genuinely believe the drivel you have spouted here, I strongly suggest that you do some research before you demonstrate your stupidity again.