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Non-Traditional Career Routes?
Dave Bieler asks: "With such
a broad range of interests in science and technology, it was not easy for
me to decide on a major in college. Currently, I am an Electrical
Engineering major at Penn State, however I have considered several other
majors: Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Physics. Since
science and technology is booming, it may be possible to get into a career
in an area other than that traditionally associated with certain majors. ex -
a Physics major becoming a Computer Security specialist. I'm curious to
hear about any careers that were preceded by non-traditional paths."
Speaking as an Electrical Engineer who decided to drop that and go into
computers, this question strikes a bit of a chord with me. Has anyone
else gone to college intending to prepare for one career, only to fall
into another, either by luck or design?
I graduaded high school class of 2000 and I had no clue what I wanted to do. Sure, I knew I had to go to college, get a degree, etc. I couldn't be humpin it at some store for the rest of my life. Well, I had been screwing with computers for some time so I said "sure! why not?" and signed up to be a Comp Sci major at my local university. God that was dumb. In my 5hr calc1 class I realized that I hate math. I had been always okay with it, and with good teachers had been able to noodle my way through pre-calc. However, when paying $500 for a class - i realized it sucked - just a little too late to get a refund.
Thats when I realized something very interesting.
I had taken 4 years of Spanish in highschool, a year in 8th grade, and a few summer plus program classes. When I started classes I was offered to start in a 300 lvl spanish class. I took Grammer 210 to be safe and went from there. What was sweet was that I got retro active credits from Span 101 up to 210. I got 18 credit hours for the price of 3. I then found what I wanted to major in: Spanish.
Now, before you laugh, let me point out that I realize this: It is like majoring as undecided. With a major in spanish, and then I can minor in whatever, including another language, the sky is the limit. Lets say I get burned out on computer shit and just want to use them in my free time - well, with a comp sci degree, that would be too bad so sad. With a language degree, especially in Spanish, I can get a job really anywhere. If I want to work for Boeing, Sprint, etc. I am in like flint. If I want to work for FBI, CIA, etc. I just need to minor in Criminal Justice. Even then, Its not a requirement. If I want to work in the tech sector, I am fine there with a degree and my tech experience.
If all else fails - you will find me teaching for my alma mater for $25k a year (in KS - that goes far) and summers off
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No college/univerity, but been architecting Investment Bank trading systems for the last few years - and yes, we are making money...
Pick something fun to study at university (or "major in" if you're in America), then pick something that pays well when you graduate. Don't ever expect your degree to be relevant to your job. FWIW, we routinely hire engineering/science grads over CS for both s/w development and junior trading jobs.
"Business majors" generally end up working for HR...
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You are actually choosing your subjects based on a future career? That's interesting.
In my view, few of us has any idea what we are going to be doing twenty years from now. We don't know which industries will be big, which will fail, or which all-new fields will be open by then. Especially at college age, you don't know what you will still like to do in ten or twenty years time (when you get upwards of forty, you start having a pretty good idea about it, though).
The way to choose your major is really to take two criteria into account: what subjects do you actually like; and what subjects will give you a broad enough foundation to be able to keep on choosing your path many years from now.
Majoring in something you really dislike just because there's plenty of jobs, because your family expects it, or because it carries with it an aura of status is a huge mistake. You might be doing that stuff for most of your life - do you really want to be unhappy with your job for most of your working career?Chances are you'll drop out - either at college or later - so you might as well choose something you actually like instead.
Getting a broad, foundational education is just as important. Sure, being a trained Cisco engineer pays a lot of money right now, but will it still do so in fifteen years? And what if you want to change to something else? The basic sciences are a good choice: physics, math, computer science, chemistry - they all tend to be useful almost no matter what you decide you want to do with your life later on.
Me, I waffled between Computer Science and Literature. I took CS and mathematics, and I haven't regretted it. Do I work as a programmer? No (though I might go back to that again in a year or two).
/Janne
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
You could start a web-based community of geeks which sit around all day discussing nerdy topics while the cash flows in from ad banners. After it gets really big, you spend yourself doing more interesting things, occassionally breaking yourself away from your anime tenticle rape to get involved with the community by bitchsla-
Wait a minute...
Shit. Nevermind.
Why bother.
Yea, but life is rough like that.
Consider this:
I majored in computer science. Had a totally futile experience in getting a job in my field. So, I was forced to accept a job with my best friend's mother's company. This is not something I'd normally do (because of pride and friendship concerns), but I gave it a shot. It was a position working in the shipping area of a warehouse. Not a glamorous job.
It worked out fairly well at first. I applied my computing expertise and intuitive skills to fix up all the shipping systems, and as a result I'm now the shipping manager of the company four months after my first day. I'm about due for a performance review, a raise, and a bonus. Plus, I love the people I work with (for the most part) and I don't hate my job.
But...
Not to sound spoiled, but I don't know if there's any real advancement for me in this company. I mean, I might eventually get promoted to being an assistant warehouse manager, or perhaps a program manager in the office, but that doesn't mean I look forward to working a couple of years at both my current and future possible positions. I simply don't see myself going in that direction.
Additionally, our warehouse manager resigned, and now we have an interim warehouse manager that has no idea what technical improvements I've made to these shipping systems. Furthermore, this new manager blames me for random things in front of company VPs, walks away from me when I'm talking to her, and dumps unreal amounts of work into my lap. Sometimes it seems like she doesn't even know what my major was in college.
I would find it easier to program 60 hours a week than to work in a warehouse 60 hours a week, no doubt. The 10 - 11 hour days are wearing me down. I like my job, but I'm not THAT passionate about it.
However, I can't quit. I'm getting shit on and people have said I should quit. But I have to pay rent and car insurance. The job market is that tough such that I can't rely on it to give me a decent job right away. Just last year, I looked 9 months for a job in ANY FIELD and didn't find one. Temp agencies wouldn't employ me... they would rather hire people with business skills than comp-sci skills, I was told. I had to work at Starbucks 40 hours a week to make ends meet. I can't go back to that now.
That's just a personal anecdote, but in times when the economy is sour, it really is hard to switch careers. So I don't blame college students for wanting to hit the nail on the head the first time around. Everyone wants to do that, but with the way things are now, life is a lot easier if you get on the right career path early.
If I had decided to stay near my University and stick to computer science for sure, I'd be making 50% more money and I would have had a job right away. And I may or may not have been miserable with such a choice, but perhaps the money would have made it a sweeter deal. (Of course, I hated my University and the area that it was in, so it's not a regret that I didn't take that path. I'm too much of a city kid.)
And there's nothing that gets you a job or boosts your salary more than being well trained and educated in the field you want to enter. I'm sure all the journalism-major web programmers are finding that out the hard way right now. (Not that there's anything wrong with doing that, but managers and HR execs tend to disagree)
Yes, in a good economy, you have flexibility. But it's hard to have a job that sucks while you wait for the economy to get better. Once again, I don't blame anyone for doing some research to avoid getting stuck in that position. It's a smart thing to do.
Also, computer science as a major can be a messy conglomeration of a lot of different fields and interests (and people), and many people find it hard to find a focused interest in such a ball-breaking major. But that's a whole other story.
is that I entered college intending to major in Physics. I had the test scores, prep courses, and grades, and was granted a full four-year scholarship at a prestigious College.
Then they screwed up. I was lumped into an "experimental" program that rushed a bunch of us through first year Physics in the first semester, first year Chemistry in the second semester, all in Freshman year. Six months later, few of us could recall much Physics. It didn't help that the Math Department used a different symbology from the Science Departments, either. Long story short, I told them where they could stick their rushed Sciences program (the faculty there had decided that this wholesale abuse of students was the proper response to Russia's Sputnik - after discussing the matter for about ten years). But I still had them on the hook for the full four-year scholarship.
I graduated in Philosophy after _finally_ writing the thesis that this particular school required of all Bachelors candidates. Along the way, I played some poker and some pool (I'm still almost good), hit some decent parties with a few stunning women (my friends didn't know how I managed that), used and lightly dealt drugs among friends, rode a nice motorcycle, traded roommates to share a dorm room with my girlfriend, read and wrote about Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, Kant, Marx, etc.; that was a great time.
[To all you young guys in college now: while it's a different era, be really good to the first girls you date at school, I mean _very_ nice, if you get the chance and get my drift. At my college, the ladies restroom in the Library had two lists on the wall: a Green List, and a Black List. I got on the Green List, so I met lots of women while I was there.]
The school had an IBM 1401 computer with a Fortran compiler. The Physics Department was still trying to figure out how to use it for anything instructional. As I recall, they assigned us to calculate a pendulum equation, in Fortran, using punch cards, not realizing that the trig and log functions had been broken by Seniors before graduation. It was also understood that most guys would end up working in the Defense establishment, but I wasn't very enthusiastic about building bombs, no matter what the salary.
Summer before my Senior year, I got a job mounting tapes for a local service bureau on second shift. They had a Honeywell 200, 4' high X 4' wide X 20' long, 32K magnetic core memory, a card-reader and an optical-tape reader for input, 5 X 1600 bpi tape drives, no disk drives whatsoever, but a line printer. Well, I learned how to program it, hacked a datecard loading routine in H200 Assembly language, plus logic to ensure that multiple updates of the master tapes always ran in the proper sequence, built them machines for reviewing their optical tape files, supervised operators, learned COBOL, extended their specialized accounting applications, gambled to drop my student draft deferment only to draw a high lottery number, and watched billions of dollars flow from the CIA to Air America through a regional airplane leasing/services firm (whose small town accountant we happened to serve) while being thankful that I wasn't in uniform or otherwise anywhere near places where people were shooting at Americans.
My former Economics professor offered me the job as Director of my alma mater's Computing Center. I told him thanks, but no, battered about a little, got a job programming COBOL, taught myself IBM S/360 Assembly Language, got promoted to Systems Programmer, rolled out a statewide financial network, etc., etc. After several interesting jobs later, I've spent the last 15 years consulting for IT VPs, CTOs, and CIOs.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I believe that all you have are your values, honor, and personal integrity. Let them guide your career choices, and you will always walk tall.
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