Raisethefist.com Raided

mfb and others wrote in about a raid on the operator of raisethefist.com last week. It was first reported on Indymedia.org here and here, followed by an LA Weekly article. By far the best news piece so far is this one from Newsbytes.

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Re:violently overthrow the Constitution?

[Lord Omlette]

Columbia: 2 billion dollars to fight leftist guerillas who are trying to win better conditions for the poor while the right wing wealthy landowners who they're opposing pump drugs into America and bullets into peasants.

Middle East: Immeasurable amounts of money to support the ghettoification of a large number of Arabs. It's as if the Israeli government is taking all their cues from the third reich (who got their cues from our excellent eradication of Native Americans).

Here's a suggestion: if you don't like the system and don't feel like changing the system, take your bombs and move to Columbia or the middle east.

Nonono, tell them to move, but don't let them bring their bombs with them, they'll just end up getting pointed right back at us.

Amusing quote

[Sloppy]

"People can rant and rave on the Internet all they want, but when they cross the line of calling people to action to violently overthrow the Constitution of the United States, they have a problem," said McLaughlin.

Looks like the FBI will be raiding the federal government next, then.

Lets not forget

[Pinball Wizard]

Yeah, yeah, this guy broke into websites and should be punished. However, way too many people seem to be forgetting a couple of things.

1 - The right of the people to overthrow their government when it fails to meet their needs is written in the Declaration of Independence:

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

It is expressly Patriotic according to our countries founding document to overthrow the government should it become tyrannical.

2 - we have this little thing called freedom of speech. There is no law prohibiting the dissemination of bomb making information. If that is a crime, I guess Amazon.com is a terrorist organization:

Poor Man's James Bond

Anarchist's Cookbook

Home Workshop Explosives

I suggest we keep these things in mind as we continue to hunt down terrorists. Its important not to forget the freedoms that make this country worth fighting for.

What bomb-making info?

[Animats]

In December, 2001, raisethefist.com read:

• Let's get this straight:

  A president we did not elect, heading a government bought off by corporations, arrogantly and agressively pushes a pro-corporate domestic agenda and foreign policy. Now over 6,000 people are dead and he say's we're at "war", fighting secret battles against unknown enemies, and he wants everyone to be "patriots" by forsaking our civil liberties and going "shopping".

One may or may not agree, but that's a reasonable political statement.

I don't see anything about bomb-making in the copies of his site at archive.org. The archive isn't complete, because some of his pages are generated by CGI scripts, and the archive system doesn't try to archive dynamic content. But the visible content is straight political material.

You can get bomb-making information from mainstream sources. Order Improvised Munitions from Amazon.com. That book is popular with the Christian right and the right-wing "militia" movement.