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timothy
on from the it's-an-old-family dept.
RoosterT writes: "AP is reporting that an 11,000+ year-old lifeform has been found in California. The lifeform? A bush. This bush threatens to topple the current world-record holder. Another bush."
let's see you live that long
by
Dancing+Tree
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The idea of this bush being that old is mind blowing. It is awesome in the same way as that extremely large mushroom they found (covers acres I believe). As an animal, I can only consider such a thing and just gape.
If you want to believe what you read in the book of Genesis in the Bible, the oldest man only lived to under a thousand (Methusulah or some such). As far as this bush is concerned, that person never even made it out of adolescence. The idea that this bush started growing while man was still very mired in the Stone Age is mind blowing. I suppose now we'll have to build a garbage dump on top of or something.
"My what a short view you have Grandma."
"All the better to crush you with, my dear."
-- :::Horrendous Experiences Make Amusing Anecdotes:::
How are they testing?
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arkham6
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Someone please explain to me how they can use radio carbon dating on the bush? It was my understanding that RCD could tell the age of things because it counted the number of carbon 14 isotopes left in the item. As time goes on, that isotope decays, and that can tell an age. However, because its still alive, isnt its supply of carbon 14 still being replenished?
Re:How are they testing?
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Dancing+Tree
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Actually, considering the desert conditions under which the bush grows, I think they have a pretty good chance. Now if the bush was growing in a region where there was lots of rainfall, I'm sure the task might be near impossible due to the largely accelerated rate of decomposition. So it is quite possible that there are older things in the rain forest, but we have no way of knowing.
-- :::Horrendous Experiences Make Amusing Anecdotes:::
Re:How are they testing?
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zenyu
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So it is quite possible that there are older things in the rain forest, but we have no way of knowing.
IANB...
I'm loathe to say anything is impossible, but I highly doubt it. The reason clones weaken isn't because they get weaker but because their attacker's get stronger. The current favorites in the apple world are all about 100-150 years old and need shitloads of pestisides. But they were originally selected for hardyness not just sweetness and color. It's just their viruses and parasites didn't stop evolving. (Apple trees are cloned because they "go to seed." Meaning the children are nothing like the parents. Now I know what my parents were talking about.)
This bush can probably survive because there are few potential bugs in the neighborhood. In a rainforest there is so much life that something would evolve to attack it long before it turned 11kyo.
Still a 11kyo plants makes me think there is probably a reason why our natural lifespans are limited. Maybe cuz populations that lived longer stiffled their descendants and hence lowered the fitness of the total population. I think that must have happened long before humans came along since the only animals that have a really long lifespan are fish and reptiles, no mammals that I know of. This last bit is just speculation, but I hope someone who can test the theory is thinking along these lines.
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The idea of this bush being that old is mind blowing. It is awesome in the same way as that extremely large mushroom they found (covers acres I believe). As an animal, I can only consider such a thing and just gape.
If you want to believe what you read in the book of Genesis in the Bible, the oldest man only lived to under a thousand (Methusulah or some such). As far as this bush is concerned, that person never even made it out of adolescence. The idea that this bush started growing while man was still very mired in the Stone Age is mind blowing. I suppose now we'll have to build a garbage dump on top of or something.
"My what a short view you have Grandma."
"All the better to crush you with, my dear."
:::Horrendous Experiences Make Amusing Anecdotes:::
Someone please explain to me how they can use radio carbon dating on the bush? It was my understanding that RCD could tell the age of things because it counted the number of carbon 14 isotopes left in the item. As time goes on, that isotope decays, and that can tell an age. However, because its still alive, isnt its supply of carbon 14 still being replenished?