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Perl Mongers Perl Magazine

howardjp writes: "The Perl Mongers have announced that they are starting a new magazine called The Perl Review (not to be confused with the literary journal Pearl). Its first issue was published on 1 February in PDF-only format, but the article 'Extreme Publishing' describes the process by which they plan to expand. With The Perl Journal's future still somewhat in doubt, this is welcome news."

85 comments

  1. Perl Journal's future isn't in doubt. by strredwolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was bought by CMP, the same folks behind Sysadmin, so things are very much stable. http://www.tpj.com

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    1. Re:Perl Journal's future isn't in doubt. by doodleboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aren't these the same people who bought Byte and then almost immediately closed it down? Oh wait, there's a webpage now with about a hundredth the content the magazine used to have, so everything's just dandy! Jerry Pournelle notwithstanding, I really liked that mag - it was the only major publication that wasn't in the back pocket of the industry (can anyone say ziff-davis? I thought you could). I'm still pissed that these clowns took it over only to shitcan it.

      Now, I know I'm not an mba or anything, but where's the sense in buying up a bunch of print magazines and then shutting them down? Is it some sort of a tax dodge to lose money, or what?

      As for the future of tpj: it'll come out a couple of times a year, with a couple of articles each time. Yippee...

    2. Re:Perl Journal's future isn't in doubt. by LinuxOnEveryDesktop · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, remember, CMP, the guys who killed Byte. They still owe me 60$ or so - they had the audacity to offer me a replacement subscription to Windows Magazine for the remaining issues, instead of Byte. I don't even use Windows - so that was rather an insult...

      So I'm not too fond of these guys.

    3. Re:Perl Journal's future isn't in doubt. by doodleboy · · Score: 1

      Not to put too fine a point on things, but they've since killed winmag too.

      Maybe they're agents of the sierra club or something, saving trees by buying up print magazines and killing them off. Crazy as it sounds, this makes more sense than cmp's business plan, whatever it is...

  2. Heh by mESSDan · · Score: 0, Funny

    I can see wealthy jewelry aficionados buying this magazine and wondering why there aren't any pictures of pearls, and why people keep misspelling "pearl".

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  3. very good news by Alien54 · · Score: 1

    inteligent writing is hard to find in general, and so this is very welcome news.

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    1. Re:very good news by ekrout · · Score: 2, Funny

      inteligent writing is hard to find in general, and so this is very welcome news.

      Yuo kan shore say that agian!

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  4. Grammar USian by ThisGuyAgain · · Score: 0

    Yes, dear people, it's like that, who did not want to travel to the US sometimes and do it anally there? Indeed, everyone has played several times with this thought already.

    Many may be deterred now by intensified controls at the airports before flights with US airlines. These would be extremely well suited for anyone wanting to benefit from hard anal sex during the flight.

    You may also ask yourself now, what else the USians do, apart from having anal parties? Jaaa, they plug their US flags into their anuses! After that some of them have been astonished, why the stars are suddenly brown instead of white! Oh shit, the USians then cry, and launch a few F-16s to demonstrate they can also do it at supersonic speeds... and from behind!!

    This inventor spirit is unique in the world and should be rewarded with a heavy load in the ass. But nevertheless, not here in Germany; why, such a ripped apart USian is a disturbance, and only available to people over 18. In the sales compartment behind the curtain, of course. For the real fanatics there is the same model also with a swastika, tattooed on the balls, if there still are some. And who hasn't experienced an anal orgasm yet? If not, dial into the Telekom network and ask behind the backdoor of the dragon around the corner!

    Happy holidays, and keep your eggs warm, it's Easter time soon!

    --hb

  5. Interesting contest... by quinto2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take note of the contest at the end: convert a base 36 number to base 10 in an interesting way (ie, short, clever, etc). Sounds like an interesting challenge.

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  6. what's wrong with The Perl Journal? by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 2

    I thought now that TPJ was a supplement to SysAdmin magazine, it's future wasn't so cloudy. I've only gotten one bundled issue so far but I think it's doing all right.

    But another Perl mag is fine by me.

    And I must say, Brian Foy's obsession with how his name is typeset gets old really fast.

    1. Re:what's wrong with The Perl Journal? by Sick+Boy · · Score: 1

      No fscking joke. I worked with the guy (Brian), and he has an honest to $DIETY style sheet for his name.

      He also looks very much like John Malkovich; it/he's very frightening.

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    2. Re:what's wrong with The Perl Journal? by Chagrin · · Score: 2

      Reminds me of a past cover of TPJ (dammit I can't find a bigger image!). The gravestone reads "Edward Estlin Cummings".

      Perhaps brian d foy will face a similar fate.

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  7. Why go back in time? by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Its funny how these groups attempt to make a go of old-school once-a-month publishing format when sites like O'Reilly Network, IBM DeveloperWorks, and MSDN have demonstrated that the publish-while-you-go method, online only, is far more useful.

    I suspect that over time this effort will die and Perl.com will become the de facto route for publishing articles that perl users need to read.

    1. Re:Why go back in time? by Masem · · Score: 4, Interesting
      There is still something significantly different about a 'print' magazine vs article-by-article compilations, not only here but in scientific literature, that makes it necessary. A print magazine, firstly, can be held and read anywhere (even with the dream of wireless, wide-band, electronic paper that we can dl articles on the fly, which isn't going to happen for a long time), while you need a net connection for perl.com to read. Second, and more importantly, a print journal should serve to make all articles interesting to the end user, even if the topic is not something the user may have had need for before reading. Having a varied set of articles with friendly introductions into various aspects of program may cause the reader to be intrigried by an article that describes something they haven't read yet, and thus may be inclined to use it on their next project. With articles-as-you-go of perl.com, you read only want you want to read, and unless you're bored, you won't browse articles that have nothing to do with what you need to know now. (Note that this is not always the case: I've seen print journals that have frequnent references to source code, which you would need to access their web site to see, and I've seen journals that don't have a good selection of articles despite their name, thus making the entire issue somewhat worthless to most people.)

      Neither format is directly better than the other, and in fact, the two formats can work off each other.

      So I think that there will remain a happy co-existence between print and online articles. Particularly in the perl arena where there's not a lot of print to start with and many are thristy for good perl articles to begin with.

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    2. Re:Why go back in time? by beth_linker · · Score: 2

      The old-school once-a-month publishing format has some good points and I think that it can co-exist with the newfangled publish-every-day format.

      O'Reilly Network is good for reading over coffee in the morning. I can log on every day and find an interesting article to read.

      But I can print out The Perl Review and stick it in my bag to read while I'm commuting. Doing that with O'Reilly Network content is harder because I'd have to go through the various sites (OnJava, BSDDevCenter, etc.), select the articles I wanted to read, select the printer-friendly versions and print them. But with The Perl Review, 30 seconds of work gets me a pile of reading for the subway.

      So I think that there are niches for both frequently-updated web sites and monthly magazines. There's also a big difference in the kind of content you want for each type of site. On a site that I visit daily, I'm going to want short articles (which O'Reilly provides) and in a monthly magazine I want more in-depth stuff. The Perl Review's biggest article is a 21-pager from Simon Cozens on working with the Perl source code. That sort of feature is way too big for an O'Reilly-like site.

    3. Re:Why go back in time? by Big+Stick · · Score: 1

      Perl used to have an online magazine that, in my opinion, had rather respectable articles (Perl Month.) Unfortunately, a while back the new articles stopped appearing and it seems now that it is no longer.

      I'd have to concur that the new TPJ is inferior. It is smaller and much less Perl-ish. It reminds me of the Java supplement that comes with the
      C/C++ User's Journal...a few good articles but not comprehensive.

  8. Agreed on the last point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Its one of those idiotic bits of minutae he expects us to respect because he believes he's a genius. I've taken it upon myself to repeatedly disrespect such idiocy, simply because I know none of these types has the brass to throw a punch over it.

  9. Python journal? by banky · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You can't mention Perl anymore without someone saying, "You should be using Python instead" (the opposite is true, too, I guess). It seems to me that there is a much smaller Python community, for what is a rapidly growing userbase. There are few O'Reilly Python titles when compared to Perl (although that's not exactly suprising since Larry, you know, works there and stuff).

    Is it merely that larger-scale Python stuff is under the average Perl user's radar, or is there just not a lot of Python "media"?

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  10. but have you read it? by Preposterous+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not just the folks behind Sysadmin, it's been folded into Sysadmin. And I was disappointed with the resulting magazine, at least what I've seen of it so far. It just didn't seem to have the depth and quality of the old TPJ. In fact, my sub is now up for renewal, and I decided not to spend the money for another year -- even though I'm not at all a penny-pincher and subscribe to *lots* of magazines and for-fee services. I just didn't see it providing any real value in its current form.

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    1. Re:but have you read it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I received the first magazine after TPJ was CMPed into SYSAdmin, got pissed off for the same reaons as above, filled out a form voicing my displeasure (complete with expletives), and received a cancellation notice with my two year subscription refunded. I am happy to hear the news of The Perl Review gearing up to carry the Perl torch.

    2. Re:but have you read it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been with TPJ since the beginning. The current permutation is horrible -- I am not renewing my subscription with SysAdmin.

  11. I can write in perl too! by supernova87a · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This magazine should be pretty easy to write for! I can code in perl with one step:

    /dev/urand > perlmagazine.txt

    :)

    1. Re:I can write in perl too! by twoshortplanks · · Score: 1

      It seems you are using the same technique for logic too.

      ;-)

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  12. I'm happy to see this by EvlG · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Since it has been folded into SysAdmin, TPJ has pretty much sucked. 2 or 3 articles, once every 3 months is really sad. I appreciate what Jon Orwant and others have done, but TPJ is not what it used to be.

    I wish Perl Mongers success with their efforts.

  13. a magazine about all scripting languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would like to have a magazine covering
    more scripting languages. besides Perl and Python
    it should also focus on Ruby, my favourite langauge. Ruby is becoming more and more popular and I think it has the potential to become the Number 1 scripting language within the next 5 years. and Perl and Python will also continue to grow. (the losers will be C/C++ and maybe also Java/C# because they are not very productive languages as are most languages which are compiled seperately). so a magazin covering Ruby, Perl, Python and maybe PHP would be a great thing for many programmers out there.

    1. Re:a magazine about all scripting languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      so a magazin covering Ruby, Perl, Python and maybe PHP

      Why are you excluding javascript and vbs? Oh, right, these languages would be best covered in the magazines "pop-up monthly" and "v1ru5 wr173r r3v13w" respectively.

    2. Re:a magazine about all scripting languages by beth_linker · · Score: 2

      If you want a magazine like that, then start one and ask people to write for it. Publishing on the web is pretty cheap these days.

  14. my problem with perl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that it does not use my favorite ASCII character nearly enough "~".

    this is why am i creating a fork off of perl where the only valid variable name, function name or module name is "~".

    1. Re:my problem with perl by pne · · Score: 2

      my problem with perl

      is that it does not use my favorite ASCII character nearly enough "~".

      Then you probably aren't doing a lot of pattern matching (or you usually match on $_), since otherwise you're going to use the =~ operator.

      Pattern matching is considered one of Perl's strengths (it's built into the language and Perl's pattern matching language is pretty expressive), so that should give you plenty of opportunity to use =~.

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  15. Last "language" magazine anyone BOUGHT ? by MosesJones · · Score: 2


    Not freebies that are sent to you "for a limited time only" for the last 2+ years. Actually bought from a shop.

    For me its... well not since the internet ramped up from a technical articles perspective about 5 years ago. Why destroy trees or have a big "lump" every month when an incremental approach gets you back to the site every day or so, gives you the ability to search for old articles.

    PDF ? Paper ? Lets be radical, join the 1990s and USE A WEBSITE.

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    1. Re:Last "language" magazine anyone BOUGHT ? by NerveGas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At work, we have a subscription to The Perl Journal, and enjoy reading it. The problem with a web site is that very few people are willing to pay to read online content. It's a lot easier to make someone pay $5 to read a magazine than to allow them access to a few web pages!

      Another reason is that you can also control how much the information is shared with a magazine - while 10 of us might read the same magazine at work, if it were an online magazine, how many thousands of people could easily share the same registration - like the oft-used "global regitrations" to the NY Times?

      Steve

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    2. Re:Last "language" magazine anyone BOUGHT ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two of the big reasons to have any technical content on dead tree material: 0) commuting by common carrier (train, bus, plane) it is great not to have to replace AAA batteries just to do some reading. 1) reading articles is different from reference lookup or slashdot browsing. There are issues having to do with eye relief etc.

      The big question on this post is what happened to the web only Perlmonth?

  16. This contest is most likely already solved. by Schwarzchild · · Score: 2

    See the perl golf tournament on the base 36 problem at perlmonks.org.

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  17. Re:VERY CLEVER OF YOU!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the Unicode entity number for a Swastika?

    Well, there's a left-turning one encoded in the Chinese character blocks: U+534D, which is 21325 in decimal ( or ). I don't know whether there's a right-turning one.

  18. Perl.com has carried long articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at Larry Wall's Apocalypse articles. They are at least as long as the Cozens article.

    1. Re:Perl.com has carried long articles by beth_linker · · Score: 2

      Actually, at 43 pages, Apocalypse 4 (printer-friendly version printed to PDF via Adobe PDFWriter) is a longer PDF than the entire Perl Review magazine. I found it (and its predecessors) too long to read on my screen comfortably.

  19. oh my god. mod him down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant


    "scripting languages" ??

    Shell languages are scripting. Perl and Python are not.

    "C/C++...Java...not very productive" ??

    Can I have your dealer's pager number. I need some crack too.

  20. reveiw by karmalien · · Score: 0

    this just in The Perl REview has been sited to be horribly illegible and incoherent due to the fact that it was written by a bunch of perl hackers

  21. PDF Format? by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 0

    *groan* I hate pdf files. Could they offer it as a Perl script that I can download and execute? Now that would be cool!

    Maybe create a module:

    use Perl::Review;

  22. Re:Sweet,,, by dupper · · Score: 0

    How the hell can this have been overrated?! It was -1 at the time of moderation!!!