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The Napsterization of TV

Lefty writes "This article in today's Boston Globe talks about the napsterization of TV shows and how the PC as a media server is going to make it happen. Burning TV shows to CD/DVD, e-mailing your friends TV shows, streaming TV over the Internet -- all things the dedicated set-top boxes can't do... The article talks about Snapstream, a PVR competitor to Moxi and ReplayTV, that runs on the PC and has media server capabilities. from the article: "Already you can find a great deal of pirated video material online. If SnapStream gets installed on millions of PCs, there'll be plenty more. And the TV moguls will find themselves knee deep in the digital acid bath.""

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  1. TiVo-like capabilities? Hardly! by jlower · · Score: 3, Informative

    SnapStream is far from offering the capabilities of TiVo. Just being able to tell the computer what channel to record and when isn't enough. Call me when I can tell it to record "X" no matter what time and what channel it comes on.

    It seems that TiVo-like is becomming a generic term for any new recording gizmo produced.

  2. Nice idea by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

    At last an affordable replacement to the (RIP) Tivo (although I think they still sell them in the US... more extremely rich geeks there I suppose).

    It's a bit before its time, though. Home users haven't really got the bandwidth to use this (ADSL penetration in the UK is at something like 1.5% of households... the rest are on 56K). The kind of people who have broadband & don't mind waiting 3 hours for an episode of star trek to download can already get all this by trawling Usenet, and the rest haven't got the patience or the hardware.

    I thought the idea of putting your favourite programs on an IPAQ was amusing... 32MB wouldn't get you much video (about a minute if you're lucky, more if you don't give a crap about the quality).

    1. Re:Nice idea by RC514 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Current codecs are a lot more efficient than you think. 32MB per minute is about 500kB/s, which is enough to transmit almost DVD-quality video. For small displays, like those of handhelds, the rough estimate is more like 1 or 2 MB per minute of video.

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    2. Re:Nice idea by maggard · · Score: 3, Informative
      At last an affordable replacement to the (RIP) Tivo (although I think they still sell them in the US... more extremely rich geeks there I suppose).
      They're in business, selling well, did great over the holiday season, just shipped v.2 hardware and secured a US$50 million round of financing.
      It's a bit before its time, though. Home users haven't really got the bandwidth to use this (ADSL penetration in the UK is at something like 1.5% of households... the rest are on 56K). The kind of people who have broadband & don't mind waiting 3 hours for an episode of star trek to download can already get all this by trawling Usenet, and the rest haven't got the patience or the hardware.
      Actually much of this has moved to the p2p services as Usenet is becoming clogged, retention times are down and really it's about the worst medium for distributing big binaries like these.
      I thought the idea of putting your favourite programs on an IPAQ was amusing... 32MB wouldn't get you much video (about a minute if you're lucky, more if you don't give a crap about the quality).
      Apparently you're also out of the loop on compression these days - figure each minute on something with an iPaq-size screen taking under 1 MB. A typical Star Trek Enterprise episode with intro and all at very good quality at a reasonable size clocks in at about 300-450 MB.

      Wow - 3 for 3 and you were wrong on each, got anything else you need to be corrected on? This is /. y'know, news for folks who might know what they're talking about.

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  3. Build your own ... by EisPick · · Score: 5, Informative

    This week's issue of Business Week has build-your-own-PVR instructions.

    When a meme leaps from the pages of Popular Mechanics and Wired to the pages of Business Week and the Boston Globe, it's probably time for the networks and studios to pay attention and figure out how they're going to deal with this technology.

  4. Stream TV over net? "Dad" has been busted before.. by Insightfill · · Score: 2, Informative
    About two years ago, a doting Calfornian dad streamed his 8-year old daughter's favorite cartoon over the net.

    He later decided to turn it into a business, all without getting "the express written consent..." blah, blah, blah... and got busted for it.

    www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/20000701/fec01068

    Now, admittedly, the legal climate has changed in the past 1.6 years, but doesn't this count as a "rebroadcast", etc. by the letter of the "old" laws even?

  5. Yes, Guide (Was Re:No Guide) by kazrak · · Score: 3, Informative

    SnapStream 2.0 includes a tie-in to the guide at titantv.com, which includes links you can click to automatically set recording times/lengths.
    It's out, I use it. The site also claims to provide dynamic links for Win-TV PVR, WinDVR, and PowerVCR II, although I've never tested them with it.

  6. Not Stupid, You Mean by virg_mattes · · Score: 3, Informative

    > TV program 'sharing' will not revolutionize anything in any way. It doesn't do anything that can't be done much easier using existing technologies.

    Actually, it does. Digital recording allows for several things that "today's technology" (read: what's popular today) can't easily do:

    1.) Digital data is much more portable than video tape. Where VHS can't go (handhelds, over the wire, in small storage spaces), digitized video can.
    2.) Editing out commercials is a pain in the ass with video tape, and requires more than one machine. With digital video, chopping out the commercials doesn't require much in money, time or expertise.
    3.) Sharing is much easier, for reason 1 above. I can readily share VHS tapes only with people I meet in meatspace unless I want to incur mailing costs, whereas I can send digital video anywhere in the world with ease.

    I can see easily why TV executives are scared by this loss of content control. Imagine how concerned they must be at the prospect that I can capture VHS-quality recordings of a whole season of Buffy, strip the commercials out and store them on one DVD (which will be cheap enough for widespread use within two years, if the CD-RW market is any indicator).

    Virg

  7. Re:Well, I *used* to do this... by yora · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case you are looking for episodes of tv shows, then check out edonkey available here. I have been using edonkey for a few months now, and i have always found more stuff on edonkey than on any other network (kazaa/morpheus included). Also there are a few sites on the net which give out edonkey links which u can use to download verified files! There is a linux client available. Check out www.sharereactor.com for a guide on using edonkey along with lots of links!!

  8. Re:I'm not definately PRO this idea... by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Bob Smith is the vice president of CD sales at Unknown And Barely Surviving Record Company. When Napster hits, he's out of a job. His family has no food in their stomach. Rent is unpaid. His somewhat-luxurious lifestyle is diminished to living in the slums of some cheap neighborhood.

    Okay, the above is an extreme example. But, the same thing can happen to TV now if it all goes free. Tons and tons of people spend money on advertising with TV, for example. I'm sure people will have patches/progs to avoid this advertising. And what about TV set sales? They'll plummet. Hey, who needs cable? You can just get stuff off the 'net.

    Under that logic, we should've been worried about the manufacturers of carriages and whips when the automobile came on the scene. How about all the people who ground away at lengthy calculations to produce mathematical tables and such whose jobs were eliminated by computers?

    The entertainment business will either adapt to change or fall by the wayside.

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  9. Wrong tool, wrong settings? I'd say so... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

    Virtual Dub, direct stream copy. As there'll usually be a keyframe at commercial in and out, it shouldn't be any problem, no reencoding needed.. even if it doesn't get everything there's max 15 secs of commerical crap instead of five minutes. If you want the last frames out, reencode till the first keyframe after the commercial break, and cut and paste it together. I doubt I'd use more than 10 mins on an hour show total...

    Kjella

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  10. Re:Edits by Shadarr · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was under the impression that people were pirating satellite signals meant for the local affiliates which don't contain commercials. And there was the added bonus that the affiliates get the show before it airs. One Day Crack, anyone?

  11. A word of warning by _ganja_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have purchased Snapstream and I would really urge anyone that is even thinking about it to read snapstream's own discusion forum first. This is one software purchase I really regret, the trial version kinda works but it is of course fairly limited, its only when you really start using the software seriously that the flaws show up. Crashes are fairly common, tunning is a major issue if you are outside the US and the *only* recording format that is supported is Windows media. The quality of the recordings isn't exactly great either (when the software actually does record that it).

    What does surprise me is nobody has really stated that they are running Linux to do PVCR functions. What software is around on the Linux front?

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