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Beta-Testers and Intellectual Property?

cozimek asks: "I've got a question I'm sure many other Slashdot users have dealt with. My startup has been starting programming development with testing from our beta-clients. One of these clients, however, has begun discussing intellectual property rights. They believe that they deserve rights to parts of our software because they have helped give us advice through the development process. We think we own it all, and that they should be happy to have our services, tailored to their needs, for free. Has anyone dealt with these issues? Has anyone created a beta-tester contract?" As with all such issues, the devil is in the details...particularly the contractual ones. If you've had such issues before, from either side, please let us know how things turned out.

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  1. Re:3 in one day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Hey DICKHEAD ! Do us all a favor and FUCK OFF ! CUNT !

  2. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    fp

  3. Top Nine Reasons to Quit Slashdot.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    #9. Slashdot is a plot by Microsoft to destroy the
    productivity of Linux users.


    I have friends who were once tremendously productive
    programmers, until they started reading Slashdot. Then, the
    endless stream of links, updated a dozen times a day no less (so
    you don't go once a day to get your fix; instead, you keep a
    window open and hit reload every twenty minutes or so), steadily
    seduced them, until they eventually became babbling idiots,
    dribbling saliva from the corners of their mouths, ranting on
    the forums about the relative merits of Karma Whores and
    Anonymous Cowards. Can there be any doubt that this website is
    anything other than a nefarious ploy to destroy Linux by
    undermining the productivity of its developers? And is there
    any organization that would like to destroy Linux more than
    Microsoft? (Well, maybe the Santa
    Cruz Operation...) Is it any coincidence that just as the
    Feds were working out Microsoft's sentence, Microsoft sued
    Slashdot, resulting in a firestorm of geek ire that totally
    overshadowed the monopoly ruling?

    #8. Screaming 14-year-old boys attempting to prove to
    each other that they are more 3133t than j00.


    Need I say more?

    #7. Technical opinions refereed by popular vote means
    lousy technical opinions.


    Before the Internet, a certain breed of deconstructionists
    had a lot of fun telling everybody that "privileging of dominant
    paradigms" was wrecking the world. The Internet has taught us
    that privileging certain views is absolutely crucial to avoid
    drowning in the ravings of idiots. On Slashdot, many articles
    discuss technical issues---but comments are refereed by popular
    vote, and even though the populace of Slashdot readers knows
    somewhat more than your average set of people off the street,
    they still tend to promote (as in "moderate up") a lot of
    technical nonsense. Reading Slashdot can therefore often be
    worse than useless, especially to young and budding programmers:
    it can give you exactly the wrong idea about the
    technical issues it raises.

    The pre-Internet publishing world had magazines, newspapers, and
    journals with editors. Respectable publications hired
    qualified editors. Those qualified editors were educated
    enough to make intelligent decisions about the quality of
    content. The Slashdot model removes the editors and substitutes
    popular vote, and the result (unfortunately) is that the quality
    level becomes incredibly inconsistent. It was an interesting
    experiment; it didn't work, not for Slashdot (though it might
    work in some other population of users). Too bad. Now, it's
    time to quit.

    #6. Community myth that Linux is technically superior to
    any other operating system in the known
    universe.


    People who do operating
    systems research, of course, think this is a joke. Dissent
    from this view in Slashdot, however, and you'd better be wearing
    your asbestos fatigues.

    #5. Butt-ugly visual design.

    Of course, this one's a matter of taste. However, in my
    analysis, the visual elements of the Slashdot site are basically
    hopelessly confused and wrong. From the cryptic links in the
    left margin, to the drop-shadowed graphics (hello, digital
    design cliche circa 1994?), to the offensively lousy color
    scheme (let's use circuit board green, because it's "News for
    Nerds", right?) I can't find much to like about the design of
    Slashdot.

    #4. Gullible editorial staff continues to post links to
    any and all articles that vaguely criticize Linux in any
    way.


    Blowhards (like the flock of irresponsible columnists over
    at the Windows-boosterism rag InfoWorld) have had tons of
    fun taking advantage of this tendency to drive hits to their
    site. On any given day, Slashdot readers are treated to another
    link to another column by another self-proclaimed pundit
    declaring that Linux is (pick one) unreliable, not scalable, not
    user-friendly, doomed, piracy-inducing, foul-smelling, or
    un-American. And irony was that the editors of Slashdot are
    falling right into the pundits' trap: inciting the Slashdot
    community is the one surefire way to drive up your hit count and
    hence your revenue from ad banners. Did the Slashdot editors
    ever wise up? Not that I ever saw. Given how tiresome the
    endless pro-Linux jihad had become by the time I quit, I have
    very little desire to go back and find out whether that's
    changed.

    #3. Gullible editorial staff continues to post links to
    bogus pseudoscience articles by crackpots.


    At the time I quit, the editors were posting links to
    theories of alternate consciousness, unified theories of the
    universe made up by people in their garages, and the like at a
    rate of two or three a week. And the number was only
    increasing. If I want to read articles that promote totally
    bogus pseudoscience, I'll open up the Village
    Voice. We don't need another webzine filling that
    role.

    #2. Editorial/comment system pretends to be democratic
    but in reality most content remains firmly in the iron clasp of
    the editors.


    The above problems with editorial could be solved if stories
    could be moderated as well as comments, or if editors paid
    attention to negative feedback about the posting of certain
    articles. However, the editorial staff, while pretending to be
    ideology-free selectors of any "interesting" content, in fact
    exert tremendous power over the content of the site, because
    they are the only ones who can select top-level links. They
    have furthermore demonstrated, for all the reasons above, that
    they cannot use this power wisely.

    In fact, if you think about it, the links on Slashdot are easily
    an order of magnitude less interesting, on average, than those
    of Suck, Hotwired, or FEED---all of which are run by
    smart editors with good taste (and two of which are dead---thus
    proving that only the good die young). If you've read any of
    these webzines, you'll probably agree. Rob and Hemos simply
    don't compare, as editors, to Stephen Johnson or Joey
    Anuff.

    So, really, it's time to ask yourself: why should I read
    Slashdot? Because it targets my demographic? That's a silly
    reason. So why not quit today?

    #1. Two words: Jon Katz.

    Every community has its resident gasbag. The difference
    between Slashdot and other communities is that they have the
    means to kick their village idiot off his soapbox, but they lack
    the will. If Jon Katz is not the single worst writer for any
    webzine, anywhere on the planet, alive today, then I am a
    penguin. His writing manages to be endlessly meandering and
    verbose, and simultaneously utterly content-free.

    Notice, by the way, that I have not said a word about his
    technical acumen. It's not necessary to. Katz (who, like all
    opportunists, likes to paint himself as an innocent victim
    whenever he's criticized) makes a big deal about how there are
    "technical snobs" in the Linux user population who blast him for
    not being a technical genius. To tell the truth, Katz's
    inability to install even recent Linux distributions (which are
    arguably as easy to install as MacOS or Windows) on a
    run-of-the-mill x86 PC does testify to his general cluelessness.
    However, Katz is not a programmer or sysadmin; he's a writer.
    He must stand or fall based on the quality of his writing. And
    his writing is totally the pits. He would never have gotten
    published anywhere but Slashdot; even WIRED, cheerleaders of all
    things "digital" and "decentralized", finally got tired of his
    babbling and let him go. The cheesiest, most blatantly
    pandering "Hookers Who Read Proust" article on Salon.com displays more literary
    skill than the finest Katz screed ever to see the light of
    day.

    To make things worse, Katz is also a shameless opportunist who
    regularly uses Slashdot to promote his books. And the Slashdot
    admins go right along with it. You can't criticize someone for
    their taste in friends, but you can criticize them for
    continuing in a relentless and blind nepotism that destroys the
    quality of the site.

    No single factor wase more pivotal in driving me away from
    Slashdot than Jon Katz. Even when I registered for an account
    and filtered Katz out, still he made it into news items not
    labeled Jon Katz---presumably to promote sales of his book.
    What other webzine displays such a blatant disrespect for its
    readers?

    But then again, Katz's pandering, one-note "Ich bin ein Geek"
    spiel may be exactly what the Slashdot audience
    deserves.

    Simply put, it's time to quit Slashdot, once and for
    all.

  4. The Internet is my brain child. by President+Al+Gore · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I am President Al Gore

    I OWN all of you. You are using my internet that I built with my blood, sweat, and tears.

    I OWN all of you. When I first thought about creating this 'information superhighway' thing, I knew it would be great.

    I OWN all of you. Now I see the error of my ways. When I originally created the INTERNET I figured there wouldn't be sooooo many people.

    I OWN all of you. So what did I do? The dope I am - used IPv4.

    I OWN all of you. What is your (as in the 'tech' community) solution? IPv6? I have never heard of such a stupid idea.

    I OWN all of you. I worked very hard to come up with 32 bit addressing and now you are going to ruin it.

    I OWN all of you. The INTERNET (which I invented) was created for the 'elite' in this society.

    I OWN all of you. The fact that you are all here makes me sick. I have a new plan to create another INTERNET.

    I OWN all of you. I have decided that I will be creating INTERNET 2.

    I OWN all of you. Some people have even given credit to others for creating things such as the www

    I OWN all of you. I can assure you this incorrect. I was doing the www in 1969 while everyone else was in Vietnam.

    I OWN all of you. Some people think I am just a bleeding left wing liberal crack ass...they are not correct.

    I OWN all of you. I am the collective minds of all the industry greats. John Gage, John Chambers, and the guy who invented Visual Basic.

    I OWN all of you. So...do me a favor and get off my internet. I need the 10 gig links to setup many many mirrors to www.goatse.cx.

    Thank You.

    1. Re:The Internet is my brain child. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      ahahahaha - this is 'Funny'

      Slashdot would really really really suck if there wasn't the occasional troll.

      The moderators are a bunch of ass clowns these days.

  5. Very Good Point. Please Mod Up, Up, Up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    Very Good Point. Please Mod Up, Up, Up.

  6. Re:WANL by Negadecimal · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    We are not lawyers.

    I am.

  7. Re:3 in one day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You are truly a great and highly skilled first crapflooder! I commend you for all your hard work!

  8. Re:NDAs, beta testing, and history's lessons by 3-State+Bit · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    and you went to -1 from 2 in the time it took me to post that... (literally)

  9. troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    u r an obvious torll, ur info is so wrong im not even gonna address it stupid

  10. Re:WANL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Who the fuck cares. Shut up.

  11. Re:Faggot. I found a way to defeat you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Sites just as bad as Slashdot
    Unfortunately, Slashdot is not an isolated phenomenon; there are many sites out there that, in attempting to be alternatives to Slashdot, have become mere imitators, as bad as (or even worse than) the original. I'm still trying to figure out what factors lead a site down that path (a population of vocal libertarians appears to be a major factor)
    Adequacy.org
    Purporting to be "news for grown-ups", this site's banner calls it "the most controversial site on the web". In fact, this purely a troll site, started by ex-Slashdot and ex-Kuro5hin trolls who wanted more time and space to scream at each other like idiots (and draw people into screaming like idiots at them). I came across this site as a referrer in my weblogs; apparently there's a fanatical Microsoft devotee who links to this page religiously as a rejoinder to Linux advocates. I wonder if he's got any clue that
    I use Linux (and other Unix flavors) almost exclusively whenever I need to get work done
    The University of Washington lives in Microsoft's backyard, and our computer science department has strong ties to Microsoft Research. Yet we run most of our important systems (this web server, for example) on Unix.
    Let me be quite clear: I do not hate Slashdot because I hate Linux. I hate Slashdot because I hate inanity. Adequacy.org manages the remarkable feat of beating Slashdot's record on that count.
    Alternatives to Slashdot
    You may be wondering, "Where will I get the links and news that I've been getting from Slashdot?" I'll admit that Slashdot does post some nice links once in a while---however poorly edited and poorly moderated the site as a whole is. However, I've found that for all useful content on Slashdot, there exists another source that will point me to it.
    Reading other sites decreases your need for a Slashdot fix, and also makes the quality deficit at Slashdot all the more obvious. Here are my suggestions:
    (Note: the following list is a work in progress. For example, the Register used to be on this list; now, after further investigation, I've moved it to the "just as bad" list.)
    Science/Technology news
    This depends on what kind of news you're interested in, of course. Here's a sampling of sites that will give you more targeted, more carefully selected news:
    Ars Technica
    An amateur (in the best sense of the word) PC user news site. The editors have a broad grasp of technical issues that is rare to find in an enthusiast site; as a result, their takes on tech tend to be uncannily on the money.
    bottomquark
    When Quit Slashdot! got posted to memepool, somebody (whose name I omit, to protect him from Slashdot groupthink flames) suggested bottomquark for science news. A brief skim suggests that bottomquark provides decent links for lay science enthusiasts, with no screaming 14-year-old boys.
    Science Now
    Daily news edited by the people who bring you Science, the premier all-sciences academic journal. Requires a (non-free) subscription, but your institution may already have one.
    Wired News
    Wired has its own annoying preoccupations, such as its obsession with tech stocks and Napster, but it tends to get the stories off the wires promptly and give a more clueful interpretation than, say, CNN. On the other hand, you should definitely not trust Wired News's reportage of political issues. The entire Wired organization is deeply steeped in libertarian groupthink and feels no qualms about distorting stories and quotes to advance their right-wing agenda. Caveat lector.
    NewsForge
    All open source news, all the time.
    http://bbspot.com/toys/slashtitle/index.html
    Yes, even "Slashdot" is better than Slashdot.
  12. IP rights by Fissure_FS2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    As far as I know, my current IP rights are to 141.154.81.215....

    --
    My life's goal is to get a score of +3!