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Spiral Galaxy Spins the Wrong Way

Ant writes: "The New Scientist has an article about a galaxy in the constellation Centaurus is puzzling astronomers by spinning in the wrong direction. NGC 4622 has bright twisting arms containing newborn stars and lies 111 million light years away."

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  1. CNN Article by Eigenray · · Score: 4, Informative

    CNN has an article with more information.

    1. Re:CNN Article by Telemakhos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone should shoot the CNN editor who came up with the headline: "Goofy galaxy spins the wrong way"

  2. alright by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it's time we wrote our local congresspeople to get this remedied.

  3. Re:Wrong way? by taion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You should read the article more carefully before you comment next time.

    If you did, you'd clearly have noticed that the article said that the outer spiral arms pointed in the direction that they were rotating, and that was the peculiar aspect of this galaxy, not the actual direction of rotation itself.

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  4. Re:Wrong way? by ASCIIMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the oddity here is that it appears to be spinning counter to the direction its arms are swept, although its rotation could possibly be explained by a collision or combination with another galaxy.

  5. ... by questionlp · · Score: 4, Funny

    That galaxy must be in the southern hemisphere of the universe?

  6. Re:Wrong way? by taion · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're continuing to misinterpret the article. The statement was that, for normal galaxies, the spiral arms trail the direction of rotation. That is, if the galaxy itself is rotating "clockwise", the spiral arms trail behind in a "counterclockwise" fashion.

    However, in this case, the spiral arms lead in FRONT of the galaxy's rotation. That is, if the galaxy is rotating "clockwise", the arms stretch forward in the "clockwise" direction; if the galaxy is rotating ccw, the arms also stretch forward ccw!

    The actual direction of rotation of the galaxy is irrelevant, the unexpected fact was the orientation of the spiral arms of the galaxy relative to the galaxy itself. Even in the event of an overlay, the rotation of the spiral arms in the unexpected direction could still be clearly observed.

    In your given case, with two galaxies possessing "normal" behaviour, the arms on both galaxies would trail in the direction of the rotation. If they were spinning in opposite directions, then which arm belonged to which galaxy would be entirely evident through the direction in which the spiral arms were rotating.

    Your objections, then, are entirely groundless.

    But I suppose we can just blame the editors for the vague title.

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  7. Is it that weird? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm a bit confused at why anyone this that this is so bizzaire. Sure, most galaxies are trailing spirals, but there are enough leading spirals to make them not freakish. I'd suspect that it is the spin put on the story by the media, but one astronomer is quoted calling leading-arm spirals extremely rare.

    My take on this is that the real news is the evidence of disruption/interaction. We've seen that before (M51, the Whirlpool, is a good example), but it's still a damned cool thing to see.

  8. More math is needed by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Says the math geek, I think this is as much of a mathematical problem as an astronomical one -- i.e., we really don't have a good grasp of the dynamics of galaxy formation, and we won't until the math is there. Classical Newtonian orbital mechanics doesn't do it, of course, since it's an n-body problem with a very, very large value of n. Some new kind of analytical technique needs to be invented before we can say we know much about why galaxies look and move the way they do.

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  9. Re:Wrong way? by kittenslietome · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a link to the guy's site--much more information and should be read before anybody starts making-up explanations.

  10. Re:What this shows.... by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're right up until you state that the core must rotate more quickly. Dark matter has nothing to do with the core of the galaxy or its rotation. And even if the core did rotate rapidly, a la stars about a black hole, so what? There wouldn't be any radial mixing from that, as long as the orbits were Keplerian and nearly circular (which they are, as far as I've heard).

    I also fail to see why this result indicates the presence of dark matter. The direction of rotation should not depend on the dark matter content. This is about how the galaxy formed and how the spiral arms were generated, not about what the galaxy is made of.