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Stallman Clarifies Position RE:Gnome & .Net

RMS ? has sent The Register an email in which he corrects their 'inaccurate' representation of his stance on the GNOME & .NET issue. He states, "I am pretty sure something was garbled in the quotation which has me asking Miguel to 'explain himself to us', because those words would be explicitly confrontational, and I did not have any wish to do that."

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  1. Re:Stallman Caught in Logical Contradiction? by LarryRiedel · · Score: 2, Informative


    > "GNOME is part of the GNU project, and is free software
    > (some times referred to as open source software.)"

    I take that to be saying that "free software" is not equivalent to "open source" software, although sometimes it is referred to that way.

  2. Re:Stallman Caught in Logical Contradiction? by mirabilos · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, he is not lying.
    The "free software movement" based upon the
    GPL, LGPL, GFDL etc. and started by GNU is
    very different from the Open Source movement
    started by Bruce Evans?
    Anyway, the latter you can inform you about
    at http://opensource.org
    The former at http://www.fsf.org

    FSF is the Free Software Foundation, which is
    the nowadays' head of the GNU project, the
    GNU licenses and non-GNU projects that are
    under the [L]GPL and hosted by them but do not
    belong to the GNU project as a whole.

    RMS is head of the GNU project and the FSF,
    so I think he is right to decide which direction
    the GNU project follows, although I am not, in
    my PERSONAL opinion, happy with this line.
    Take the Gnu Compiler Collection (GCC) as an
    example: http://gcc.gnu.org
    The Copyright lines in the Copyleft license
    (sigh!) refer to the FSF as owner.
    If you want any of your changes be committed
    into gcc you MUST transfer your copyright on
    these changes to the FSF, which then, in turn,
    incorporates them under the current GPL (or LGPL,
    for example in the glibc, but I don't know if
    this practice is there, too).
    These are because then the FSF can be sure that
    no third party copyright owner can claim anything
    about such core projects as the gcc. For example,
    if the GPL would prove invalid in court, the FSF
    would change the GCC license from one day to
    another to a protective one.
    As I said, *personally* I am no GNU fan and do
    use a modificated MIT/X/BSD license for my projects,
    but on the other hand I am glad that RMS started
    things such as the gcc that early.
    Credits to whom credits belong.

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    My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And /. still does not get UTF-8 right in 2012. Wow.)
  3. Re: clarification by Penrod+Pooch · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's not. If you bothered to read the article you'd see that someone told RMS that Miguel wanted to change the licence of Gnome to the X11 licence. RMS said he would not like that and that he did not belive Miguel would do that.

  4. Re:Why are we paying any attention to RMS? by Lao-Tzu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oooh baby, the release of wget version 1.8 and then 1.8.1 in December was great! I think wget is more than enough to justify the existance of the entire Free Software Foundation. No, really. I'll donate to the FSF if someone keeps maintaining wget and makes it rock even more.

  5. Re:Straight from the horse's mouth.... by Shiny+Metal+S. · · Score: 5, Informative
    So open source rejects your ideals of freedom, and has done since its foundation? Someone better notify the press :)
    The first priority of the Free Software Foundation since the beginning in 1985 was always the freedom. Open Source Initiative came to existence in 1998 mosltly because the freedom related to the term "free software" was not very convenient. The OSI has chosen to use term "open source" instead of "free software", because it's easier to persuade corporations to use "open source software" than "free software", focusing on technical rather than ethical aspects. But the main priority of FSF was not to make the GNU more popular, but to make people aware of the freedom they should have, while the GNU sotfware was only a tool for that purpose.

    The Jargon Lexicon open source definition:

    open source n.

    [common; also adj. `open-source'] Term coined in March 1998 following the Mozilla release to describe software distributed in source under licenses guaranteeing anybody rights to freely use, modify, and redistribute, the code. The intent was to be able to sell the hackers' ways of doing software to industry and the mainstream by avoiding the negative connotations (to suits) of the term "free software". For discussion of the follow-on tactics and their consequences, see the Open Source Initiative site.

    From Why "Free Software" is better than "Open Source":

    In 1998, some of the people in the free software community began using the term "open source software" instead of "free software" to describe what they do.

    While free software by any other name would give you the same freedom, it makes a big difference which name we use: different words convey different ideas. The term "open source" quickly became associated with a different approach, a different philosophy, different values, and even a different criterion for which licenses are acceptable. The Free Software movement and the Open Source movement are today effectively separate movements, although we can and do work together on practical projects.

    This article describes why using the term ``open source'' does not solve any problems, and in fact creates some. These are the reasons why it is better to stick with "free software."

    (...)

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  6. Re:Okay, I'll call you out. by luge · · Score: 4, Informative
    I do see what you mean, Russ, but I have to call you out too, because you're wrong :)


    Freedom #3; freedom to redistribute with modifications. See, for example, the SISSL, which is accepted by OSI but does not allow one to redistribute changes that aren't compatible with the standards setting body. [See section 3.1.] Or the revocation clause in the APSL, which is one of the three reasons the APSL isn't free.


    All of that said... the point you're trying to make, Russ, is a sound one- the basic OSI philosophy is not incompatible with that of the FSF. But the FSF's philosophy is a superset of the OSI's- it isn't just 'see the source', which the OSI cares about, it also includes 'have freedom to use the source once you've seen it'- which the OSI doesn't care about, and which is why RMS dislikes them so much.


    [up front: I'm a Ximian employee; I don't think that makes any difference to this point but I don't want to be accused of hiding it in an article about Miguel.]

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  7. Read what Miguel de Icaza had to say about it. by capedgirardeau · · Score: 4, Informative
    Miguel de Icaza wrote all about his plans and his response to RMS in an email with the subject: Mono and GNOME. The long reply.

    Go read what he as to say about the .NET Framework, Mono and GNOME.

    He also replys directly to the RMS controversy.

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