We have been over this study, an article I submitted about it last year was discussed at length and the general conclusion was the study really showed that generally it was safe, but if they generated enough end points, you could get some statistically significant effects.
1. That is known as p-hacking and is recognized as not a best practice.
2. The effects that did appear, were not dose dependent so likely the result of p-hacking.
I think in a few of their end points, the exposure was shown to be protective, that is how you know the p-hacking basically identified some randomness, but the cohort was so small, it had statistical significance.
I think you have a mistyped statement in your OP and this other commentor was discussing it without realizing it was probably just a mistyped statement.
You wrote unions take money from the middle class, but they clearly do not, they build the middle class.
I assumed you meant, unions take money from the capitalist class or factory owners, etc.
Most of the plastic in the ocean comes from a handful of rivers. Put the giant trap in the mouths of those rivers, and you'll catch a lot more.
This is actually what most scientists who study the issue suggest. The boom idea in the open ocean has been tried and found seriously lacking for almost 30 years at this point.
Prevention or collection near shore is much more cost effective with a lot fewer of the negative impacts on sea life. The mid ocean gyres will dissipate on their own if the source of more plastics is reduced or eliminated.
This revived idea has been criticized since the kid first proposed it 5 years ago and he does not seemed to have learned anything and is much more concerned with promoting himself than actually having a real impact on the problem.
Also, aside from the fact you failed to notice it was a different paper linked to above, capedgirardeau had a totally different headline and summary than what/. posted. One much more skeptical.
Further, I know for a fact this capedgirardeau person submitted it and hoped it was accepted, precisely because he thought the study to be bullsh*t and hoped the/. community, with many more scientifically literate folks than himself, would thoughtfully and thoroughly tear it apart so when we all hear it cited in the future, we can intelligently say why it is BS.
He did not have the chops to recognize the p-hacking, nor the non-real world exposure levels used in the study.
I totally agree. Where I live in Switzerland, there are no shoulders and bikes ride in the road and are not allowed on sidewalks.
This seems like a category error to me.
"Hey, cars have wheels, bikes have wheels, therefore bikes and cars should use the same space"
Instead the categorization in my mind could be:
"Hey, pedestrians and bikes are almost the same mass, almost the same size, and much closer in speed, maybe they should share infrastructure instead."
Unintended collision of bikes and pedestrians are much much less likely to result in death than of bikes and cars (and trucks).
If the problem is that sidewalk infrastructure is not good for bikes, fix the infrastructure, it will benefit people in wheelchairs, ECVs and people pushing strollers.
The main complaint in the summary is not that someone is calling out Google, it is that Oracle is pretending to be a grassroots organization instead of Oracle just standing up and calling out google.
And further, these fake grassroots organizations are harmful in the sense that they break down confidence and participation in real grass roots organizations. People get cynical and just assume any grassroots org is just a front for some giant evil corporation.
Typing bees are uncommon, but a lot of fun and still go on for the harlequin creature, "... a journal sure to be unconventional in today's overwhelmingly digital age, and, at the same time, very much in touch with a nostalgia for an earlier era, when the factories of pittsburgh and detroit were still bumpin' and steel was in. with a circle of friends that spans from los angeles to ann arbor to new york, every single journal is hand typed on high quality paper.
typing bees are a fun, communal experience, in which friends and friends of friends of harlequin creature come together around a collection of old and aging typewriters, to bang out the beautiful content of this entirely handmade journal. "
As a very introverted person who almost borders on agoraphobic I found both of the local maker spaces welcoming and comfortable spaces.
I am also a real nerd/geek sloth who gets excited about things most people do not care one bit about and have no clue about.
The very first time I saw a meeting at one of the local maker spaces, it was almost life changing. For the first time in my life I saw 50 people who were actually like me. I didn't know other people like me even existed.
All I can say is: if you think you might have the slightest interest in a maker space or maker community, go check it out, like the article says, I have found them to be the most welcoming and non judgmental community I have ever had the pleasure to be a part of.
It is actually pretty rational to believe in God because, why not?
Which god? What happens if you believe in the wrong one and the real god ends up super pissed off? For all you know, the god you believe in might be an ex of the real god.
You might very well be worse off than if you had believed in no god.
Pascals Wager has been a discredited reason for believing in a god for a long time now.
RE: Shared monitization of the ad rev, great idea. I'd like to see it work. The only example I know of is a gone now service called ZenZoo that did this.
It sort of devolved into a multi level marketing thing with people trying to get other people to sign up so their share of ad rev would go up and you had log in a certain number of times a month or something.
Anyway, would be worth look up if anyone is thinking of trying this. I'd be in on an advertising, subtle, share.
Faith without evidence is not always toxic. It depends on what that faith is in. Point to me a devout Buddhist who is somehow toxic. or one who has ever existed.
I like my government to help make sure things are safe for eating and drinking.
And I especially like when the government responds to criticisms by saying they didn't understand this issue when they made their rules and will take comments from the industry and revise their proposed rules as they have done in this case.
I know it is not as fun for the anti-government types, but even the linked to article mentions it at the very bottom of the story:
The FDA will open up the rule to comments again this summer and then revise the proposal, which is due to be finalized by August, 2015.
So this is already a non issue, they have agreed to revise the rules so there are not the dire consequences the article was using to stir everyone up.
I can understand this happening. It would make sense that the NSA would have someone or multiple people review every patch and check-in for a package as important as OpenSSH, just looking for exploitable mistakes.
I would not be surprised if they review a great deal of FOSS software they deem important to national security.
This happens all the time, some quack alt "medicine" is recalled because it actually contains a known effective drug. Most often it is "herbal" dick pills that contain the active ingredient in traditional ED medications.
Getting on the "Recalls, Market Withdrawals and Safety Alerts for U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA)" email list can be very entertaining:
I have driven a number of cars with digital controls for the radio, tuning, volume and climate systems, temp, fan, distribution and they were terrible.
You must take your eyes off the road to deal with them, whereas, if you have knobs, buttons and sliders your hands can take care of it all.
I will never buy a car will all digital controls, that is one place touch screens do not belong.
Of course people want to lay off 15% of the workforce. That is very typical in leveraged buyout processes and part of the plan from square one.
You are take out big loans to buy the company, knowing you are going to immediately gut it maximize profits in the short term so you can pay off the loans. Then you continue to milk what remains as profit, letting the business decline knowing you can sell off chunks to get the last drop of value out of the company, and then at the very end, when you have loaded it up with debt again, you declare it bankrupt and walk away.
The placebo effect does affect animals. At least some of the placebo effect can be due to the attention, interaction and care the patient receives in the process of getting the fake/non effective medication or treatment and the same thing can impact animals if they get more attention/affection during the "treatment".
Also, since the placebo effect only works on subjective symptoms like self reported pain or ease of movement, if a person is doing the evaluating for the animal, they can make the same biased evaluations of the subjective symptoms, just about the animal instead of themselves.
It is a terrible, mind numbingly boring job that is essentially a career killer in the Air Force. Not to mention the fact that the likelihood of them actually having to do what they train for is very low and if they do have to do what they trained for it basically means they are helping end life on this planet as we know it.
I completely understand why they would not be motivated to excel on the exams and/or might smoke a little grass.
I wonder what their Russian counterparts' moral is like.
As if they are not going to just find some other way to structure their compensation packages to make it appear to be under the cap.
I am sure there are at least a dozen ways they will be able to make as much as they possibly can and never have it run in to any restrictions like the proposed law in Switzerland. If worse comes to worse they can probably use off shore companies to have the executives get paid in a country that doesn't have these sorts of restrictions.
It is nice to put the executives on notice that it would be good for everyone if pay rates were not so disparate, but really the law will make zero difference.
I felt the same way. But really it is because they are not making clear they are basically an amateur serious rocketry hobby group. More professional than just hobbyists because their goal is manned missions, but not a for profit commercial company.
That makes it a lot more cool with me. Their name and their descriptions (the English ones I mean) just make them sound too commercial without some background and explanation.
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We have been over this study, an article I submitted about it last year was discussed at length and the general conclusion was the study really showed that generally it was safe, but if they generated enough end points, you could get some statistically significant effects.
1. That is known as p-hacking and is recognized as not a best practice.
2. The effects that did appear, were not dose dependent so likely the result of p-hacking.
I think in a few of their end points, the exposure was shown to be protective, that is how you know the p-hacking basically identified some randomness, but the cohort was so small, it had statistical significance.
I think you have a mistyped statement in your OP and this other commentor was discussing it without realizing it was probably just a mistyped statement.
You wrote unions take money from the middle class, but they clearly do not, they build the middle class.
I assumed you meant, unions take money from the capitalist class or factory owners, etc.
Most of the plastic in the ocean comes from a handful of rivers. Put the giant trap in the mouths of those rivers, and you'll catch a lot more.
This is actually what most scientists who study the issue suggest. The boom idea in the open ocean has been tried and found seriously lacking for almost 30 years at this point.
Prevention or collection near shore is much more cost effective with a lot fewer of the negative impacts on sea life. The mid ocean gyres will dissipate on their own if the source of more plastics is reduced or eliminated.
This revived idea has been criticized since the kid first proposed it 5 years ago and he does not seemed to have learned anything and is much more concerned with promoting himself than actually having a real impact on the problem.
http://www.deepseanews.com/201...
http://www.deepseanews.com/201...
http://www.deepseanews.com/201...
And actual research on where the best place to make an impact is:
http://iopscience.iop.org/arti...
Also, aside from the fact you failed to notice it was a different paper linked to above, capedgirardeau had a totally different headline and summary than what /. posted. One much more skeptical.
Further, I know for a fact this capedgirardeau person submitted it and hoped it was accepted, precisely because he thought the study to be bullsh*t and hoped the /. community, with many more scientifically literate folks than himself, would thoughtfully and thoroughly tear it apart so when we all hear it cited in the future, we can intelligently say why it is BS.
He did not have the chops to recognize the p-hacking, nor the non-real world exposure levels used in the study.
I totally agree. Where I live in Switzerland, there are no shoulders and bikes ride in the road and are not allowed on sidewalks.
This seems like a category error to me.
"Hey, cars have wheels, bikes have wheels, therefore bikes and cars should use the same space"
Instead the categorization in my mind could be:
"Hey, pedestrians and bikes are almost the same mass, almost the same size, and much closer in speed, maybe they should share infrastructure instead."
Unintended collision of bikes and pedestrians are much much less likely to result in death than of bikes and cars (and trucks).
If the problem is that sidewalk infrastructure is not good for bikes, fix the infrastructure, it will benefit people in wheelchairs, ECVs and people pushing strollers.
The main complaint in the summary is not that someone is calling out Google, it is that Oracle is pretending to be a grassroots organization instead of Oracle just standing up and calling out google.
And further, these fake grassroots organizations are harmful in the sense that they break down confidence and participation in real grass roots organizations. People get cynical and just assume any grassroots org is just a front for some giant evil corporation.
Typing bees are uncommon, but a lot of fun and still go on for the harlequin creature, "... a journal sure to be unconventional in today's overwhelmingly digital age, and, at the same time, very much in touch with a nostalgia for an earlier era, when the factories of pittsburgh and detroit were still bumpin' and steel was in. with a circle of friends that spans from los angeles to ann arbor to new york, every single journal is hand typed on high quality paper.
typing bees are a fun, communal experience, in which friends and friends of friends of harlequin creature come together around a collection of old and aging typewriters, to bang out the beautiful content of this entirely handmade journal. "
I hope to see you at the next one!
http://www.harlequincreature.org/
As a very introverted person who almost borders on agoraphobic I found both of the local maker spaces welcoming and comfortable spaces.
I am also a real nerd/geek sloth who gets excited about things most people do not care one bit about and have no clue about.
The very first time I saw a meeting at one of the local maker spaces, it was almost life changing. For the first time in my life I saw 50 people who were actually like me. I didn't know other people like me even existed.
All I can say is: if you think you might have the slightest interest in a maker space or maker community, go check it out, like the article says, I have found them to be the most welcoming and non judgmental community I have ever had the pleasure to be a part of.
Which god? What happens if you believe in the wrong one and the real god ends up super pissed off? For all you know, the god you believe in might be an ex of the real god.
You might very well be worse off than if you had believed in no god.
Pascals Wager has been a discredited reason for believing in a god for a long time now.
RE: Shared monitization of the ad rev, great idea. I'd like to see it work. The only example I know of is a gone now service called ZenZoo that did this.
It sort of devolved into a multi level marketing thing with people trying to get other people to sign up so their share of ad rev would go up and you had log in a certain number of times a month or something.
Anyway, would be worth look up if anyone is thinking of trying this. I'd be in on an advertising, subtle, share.
Faith without evidence is not always toxic. It depends on what that faith is in. Point to me a devout Buddhist who is somehow toxic. or one who has ever existed.
http://time.com/3090990/how-an...
I like my government to help make sure things are safe for eating and drinking.
And I especially like when the government responds to criticisms by saying they didn't understand this issue when they made their rules and will take comments from the industry and revise their proposed rules as they have done in this case.
I know it is not as fun for the anti-government types, but even the linked to article mentions it at the very bottom of the story:
The FDA will open up the rule to comments again this summer and then revise the proposal, which is due to be finalized by August, 2015.
So this is already a non issue, they have agreed to revise the rules so there are not the dire consequences the article was using to stir everyone up.
I can understand this happening. It would make sense that the NSA would have someone or multiple people review every patch and check-in for a package as important as OpenSSH, just looking for exploitable mistakes.
I would not be surprised if they review a great deal of FOSS software they deem important to national security.
My diesel Smart averages 55 mpg.
This happens all the time, some quack alt "medicine" is recalled because it actually contains a known effective drug. Most often it is "herbal" dick pills that contain the active ingredient in traditional ED medications.
Getting on the "Recalls, Market Withdrawals and Safety Alerts for U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA)" email list can be very entertaining:
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/ContactFDA/StayInformed/GetEmailUpdates/default.htm
I stopped using them because when there is a DNS lookup failure they reply with a web page that says:
"The site xxxxx is not responding"
Instead of correctly saying it can't be found in the DNS system.
Repeated emails and bug reports fell on deaf ears there.
OpenDNS has the terrible policy of turning back the error:
"This website is not responding"
When in fact it was a DNS lookup failure.
I have written them repeatedly and filed a bug report, but they seem to think it is an acceptable response.
Your comment is exactly right on on the money.
I have driven a number of cars with digital controls for the radio, tuning, volume and climate systems, temp, fan, distribution and they were terrible.
You must take your eyes off the road to deal with them, whereas, if you have knobs, buttons and sliders your hands can take care of it all.
I will never buy a car will all digital controls, that is one place touch screens do not belong.
Of course people want to lay off 15% of the workforce. That is very typical in leveraged buyout processes and part of the plan from square one.
You are take out big loans to buy the company, knowing you are going to immediately gut it maximize profits in the short term so you can pay off the loans. Then you continue to milk what remains as profit, letting the business decline knowing you can sell off chunks to get the last drop of value out of the company, and then at the very end, when you have loaded it up with debt again, you declare it bankrupt and walk away.
The placebo effect does affect animals. At least some of the placebo effect can be due to the attention, interaction and care the patient receives in the process of getting the fake/non effective medication or treatment and the same thing can impact animals if they get more attention/affection during the "treatment".
Also, since the placebo effect only works on subjective symptoms like self reported pain or ease of movement, if a person is doing the evaluating for the animal, they can make the same biased evaluations of the subjective symptoms, just about the animal instead of themselves.
No surprise to me.
It is a terrible, mind numbingly boring job that is essentially a career killer in the Air Force. Not to mention the fact that the likelihood of them actually having to do what they train for is very low and if they do have to do what they trained for it basically means they are helping end life on this planet as we know it.
I completely understand why they would not be motivated to excel on the exams and/or might smoke a little grass.
I wonder what their Russian counterparts' moral is like.
Could very well be router or firewall logs that saw the packets as they passed out of wherever the compromised server was.
As if they are not going to just find some other way to structure their compensation packages to make it appear to be under the cap.
I am sure there are at least a dozen ways they will be able to make as much as they possibly can and never have it run in to any restrictions like the proposed law in Switzerland. If worse comes to worse they can probably use off shore companies to have the executives get paid in a country that doesn't have these sorts of restrictions.
It is nice to put the executives on notice that it would be good for everyone if pay rates were not so disparate, but really the law will make zero difference.
Oh I see. Strange I didn't see any other commercial and I do not block ads on slashdot.
I felt the same way. But really it is because they are not making clear they are basically an amateur serious rocketry hobby group. More professional than just hobbyists because their goal is manned missions, but not a for profit commercial company.
That makes it a lot more cool with me. Their name and their descriptions (the English ones I mean) just make them sound too commercial without some background and explanation.