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2.5.4 Kernel Out

Saint Aardvark writes: "Just in time for my 30th birthday, the new kernel is out...how did he know? Thanks, Linus! Change log here. I usually stick to stable stuff, but I think I'll try this for fun." Reader Scooby Snacks writes: "Be sure to use the patches and pick from the fine list of mirrors."

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  1. Patchdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    2.6.0 released
    2.5.20 released
    2.5.19 released
    2.5.18 released
    2.5.17 released
    2.5.16 released
    2.5.15 released
    2.5.14 released
    2.5.13 released
    2.5.12 released
    2.5.11 released
    2.5.10 released
    2.5.9 released
    2.5.8 released
    2.5.7 released
    2.5.6 released
    2.5.5 released

    Expect all these articles on this site soon.
    Slashdot, news for "nerds", notifying you of minor changes to the penguin!

  2. New Topic Please by Dredd13 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Can we have a topic "Linux-Kernel-Release", so that those of us who care about "Linux news" (and so don't want to check-to-exclude the "Linux" topic) can still send these Freshmeat-intended stories to /dev/null where they belong?

    1. Re:New Topic Please by Dredd13 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't think I was trolling at all, I'm actually really sick of having to wade through kernel announcements.

      .0's are newsworthy

      .FINAL_VERSION's are newsworthy

      .PATCH_OF_THE_WEEK's are not "Stuff that matters" for the majority of folks out there. If you ARE one of the folks that it matters for, chances are you're monitoring the kernel.org site already.

      Just my $0.02 worth anyhow....

    2. Re:New Topic Please by hal200 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not trying to troll here, but I don't get it. Maybe it's just me, but is it really so onerous to read a headline and move on if you're not interested? (Just to go on the record though, I happen to like the Kernel X.Y.Z is out! news items.)

      Are you paying for your desktop real estate by the pixel or something?

      I rather effectively screen out JonKatz by reading the headline, and seeing the big green JonKatz underneath. Then I know it's drivel and I move on.

      I just don't understand the motivation behind, "I should be able to filter this out!"...It's not like they're forcing you to read the article and all the comments. Just move along if it doesn't pique your interest. Considering how many stories flit past the front page in a day (and more with judicious use of Slashboxes), it's not hard to find something more personally interesting.

      Then again, maybe I'm just being obtuse. Anyone care to enlighten me?

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  3. Think before you grab it by Nighttime · · Score: 4, Informative

    See that middle number of the kernel version? Note that it is of the form 2n-1 where n>0, otherwise known as an odd number. Now, in the Linux world this means that it is a development kernel. D-E-V-E-L-O-P-M-E-N-T. In other words, extreme beta.

    So, unless you wish to contribute to the kernel development or want a range of unknown problems, stick with the even middle-numbered kernels.

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  4. Thumbs up by serps · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not being anything remotely resembling a kernal hacker, it was great to see and compare some of the (proposed) changes between 2.4.x and the new 2.5 fork at the recent linux.conf.au. The speaker, Rusty Russell, took us through the netfilter and scheduler code (2.4.13 vs 2.5.3) and it was a real eye-opener. I don't claim to be a C wizard, but I can tell elegance when I see it, and some of the code overhauls certainly have that ring to them.

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  5. Werid day... by Junta · · Score: 4, Informative

    Today there is a release of some sort in 4 kernel trees (see freshmeat.net):
    2.0.40-rc2
    2.2.21-pre2
    2.4.18-pre7-ac3
    And, of course, 2.5.4.

    Granted, only one was a full revision bump, but to see updates in so many trees is neat.

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  6. Yeah, but by wiredog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of us use slashdot as a central news source. Why go around to a zillion other places, when we can just catch the announce here? Saves time.

    1. Re:Yeah, but by Dredd13 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And if there was a separate "LinuxKernelReleases" topic, both of us would be happy. you could get your "news" (which I don't consider news, but that's here nor there), and myself (and others) could simply check that box to say "Don't show me these stories".

      And life would be happy all around. See how nice that'd work if TPTB @ /. would just use the Slash engine the way it's designed to work? :-)

      D

  7. Designed? by wiredog · · Score: 5, Funny
    use the Slash engine the way it's designed to work?

    The slash engine was designed? I thought it just sort of grew. Like a fungus.

    A'course, I haven't actually looked at it in a few years. The first release was traumatic.

  8. I'm sick of it... by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sick of these minor release announcements on development branch kernels... Not because of the announcement itself, but because of all the people yelling and screaming that they don't want to know about it... Stop bitching and skip the article and move on and leave the thread clean for those that DO like to read about it and read INTERESTING comments...

  9. Collective scream... by powerlinekid · · Score: 5, Funny

    7:58 - Slashdot post that new kernel is out

    7:59 - "Bleeding edge" kernel hackers start downloading it

    8:30 - download finally is over, start unpacking it

    8:35 - ooh and ah over new features in config

    8:40 - start compiling, so far so good

    8:55 - kernels done, reboot

    8:56 - system is as fast as ever and that leet hardware is now supported

    8:59 - file system gets fscked due to some small oversight

    9:00 - a large scream is heard through country

    9:10 - screaming stops

    9:20 - hacker finally remembers that its the 2nd #, not the 3rd that means the kernel is unstable

    9:30 - i laugh

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  10. Re:What's good about 2.5 by Alphix · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out this link. It's a list of stuff to expect in 2.5
    Follow the link to the posts if you want the details and discussions, if you don't, the items and a more human-readable explaination is below:

    2.5.x API change summaries
    o Shouldn't matter much as far as I could tell, mostly "heads up" to people writing programs that mess with the kernel.

    o Block I/O layer changes:
    The goal seems to be a more generic i/o scheduler while at the same time making it more efficient.
    Typical "dont-understand-exactly-what-they-are-doing-but-g lad-they-do-it" stuff.

    o initrd / initramfs:
    initramfs is intended as a replacement for initrd. The basic idea seems to be to tack a .tar archive of modules and programs to the end of the kernel image, make a basic boot, unpack the tar file to a ram-based root filesystem then everything goes from userspace. If it's true that 2.5 will move to a completely modular kernel (as Alan Cox has hinted), this would be a much friendlier system than initrd.

    o SCSI changes
    As always?

    o driver model: driverfs
    Driverfs seems to aim towards merging all bus-type weirdness that lives under /proc and building one big tree with all bus:es in it. Most comments I've seen circle much around how much easier it would be to implement a proper ACPI power management system with this and that it clears up /proc.

    o reworking major/minor system
    The currrent model of drivers having major/minor numbers is going to change to allow larger numbers (and therefore, more devices). May be some hairy details involved in changing such a "standard" size. Consent seems to be that apps that depend on a specific size are broken anyway.

    o USB and WireLess API changes
    I don't use any of these so I haven't got much to say, anyone with more interest/info?

    o kbuild and CML2
    The new configuration language and makefiles, these have been discussed earlier on slashdot (see here).

  11. Major breakage in this kernel. by worldwideweber · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was a change to the API in this kernel release which breaks a bunch of drivers for the moment. Specifically, all drivers that allocate buffers using the kmalloc/__get_free_pages and virt_to_bus will not link. Right now, I can see atleast two groups of drivers affected: some USB, and the PCI sound drivers.

    Even if you don't see the above problem, this kernel will not compile (atleast on most i386 systems) without the following patch:

    --- linux-2.5.4/include/asm-i386/processor.h Sun Feb 10 22:00:29 2002
    +++ 25/include/asm-i386/processor.h Sun Feb 10 22:21:53 2002
    @@ -435,14 +435,7 @@ extern int kernel_thread(int (*fn)(void
    /* Copy and release all segment info associated with a VM */
    extern void copy_segments(struct task_struct *p, struct mm_struct * mm);
    extern void release_segments(struct mm_struct * mm);
    -
    -/*
    - * Return saved PC of a blocked thread.
    - */
    -static inline unsigned long thread_saved_pc(struct task_struct *tsk)
    -{
    - return ((unsigned long *)tsk->thread->esp)[3];
    -}
    +extern unsigned long thread_saved_pc(struct task_struct *tsk);

    unsigned long get_wchan(struct task_struct *p);
    #define KSTK_EIP(tsk) (((unsigned long *)(4096+(unsigned long)(tsk)->thread_info))[1019])
    --- linux-2.5.4/arch/i386/kernel/process.c Sun Feb 10 22:00:28 2002
    +++ 25/arch/i386/kernel/process.c Sun Feb 10 22:26:35 2002
    @@ -55,6 +55,14 @@ asmlinkage void ret_from_fork(void) __as
    int hlt_counter;

    /*
    + * Return saved PC of a blocked thread.
    + */
    +unsigned long thread_saved_pc(struct task_struct *tsk)
    +{
    + return ((unsigned long *)tsk->thread.esp)[3];
    +}
    +
    +/*
    * Powermanagement idle function, if any..
    */
    void (*pm_idle)(void);

    -
    -

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