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Harnessing Subatomic Effects for Product Authentication

Anon writes: "Israeli company Microtag claims to have come up with a way to avoid counterfits, and they mean everything from CDs to clothes to cash to vegetable seeds. Mix several micrograms of their 'magic powder' - which is engineered with a unique identification using the matter's spin - into your product - and later you can verify its authenticity with a relatively low-cost reader. Although their presumption is that no-one else will be able to create this 'magic powder' (which is probably only a matter of time and enough money), an Israeli article claims that Motorola and even the Bank of England are interested in the technology."

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  1. I'm sorry sir... by topside420 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but you can't cook that bean in this pot. You can use that pot but that pot wont work with your stove. You may want to call the manufacturer to get that other pot activated for your new stove.

  2. A couple example applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    o tagging of paper, so thoughts contrary to current political or corporate regimes can be traced back to their source
    o tagging of removable media, so cases of copyright infringment can be linked to the purchaser of the blank CDR
    o tagging of currency, eliminating that pesky tax evasion, drug trade, and prostitution problems often associated with anonymity

    Yes, this seems like wonderful technology. Really.

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  3. Mod him up for humor. by andaru · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mod him up for humor, just to throw a monkey wrench into his plans.

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    1. Re:Mod him up for humor. by heliocentric · · Score: 2

      But the real interesting thing is what will come of those who moderate him up as funny, then the commen it moderated down for being offtopic (heh, it's kinda both really) and then it hits metamoderation?

      His Karma-Fire-Sale may call some moderators onto the floor.

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  4. Where are the details? by ka9dgx · · Score: 2
    The site is anemic on details, to say the least.

    A few buzzwords, the prefix NANO, and we're all supposed to swoon in awe of them...

    Well, I say BULLSHIT... Unless they cut the crap, put up some details and explain themselves, I'm just going to have to assume this is yet another adventure in security through obscurity. We all know how well that works.

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  5. chemical markers already in use? by Hadlock · · Score: 2

    i've heard (un-substanciated) that the feds have been using a system like this for years with the various gunpowders and the lead that goes into bullets in various manufacturer's plants. same for other high-value items such as a) currency and b)nuclear materials....they've just kept reeeeal quiet about it, making it harder to easily duplicate some items, while at the same time, easier to track the origin of certian materials (different chemical markers are used per batch). does anyone know anything more about this? is this why those "explosive chemical" sensor at the airport work so well (supposedly? i've never seen one go off before)

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    1. Re:chemical markers already in use? by cperciva · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Each manufacturing plant, and each production run, is individually identifiable, but not because there is a conspiracy to tag products. They are identifiable because we're surrounded by trace elements, and smelting processes don't remove these trace impurities. Each ore deposit, and in fact each truckload of ore, will have slightly different proportions of these traces; with enough work, you can then track material back to its source.

      IIRC during the cold war the US monitored soviet nuclear tests by measuring the atmospheric proportion of a few carefully chosen isotopes, and could not only work out how many nuclear tests had been performed, but how powerful the explosions were.

    2. Re:chemical markers already in use? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was some talk about requiring manufacturers to use "taggants" back in 1996, in the wake of the McVeigh bombing. There's an article on it at CNN. It consisted of various-colored microscopic plastic bits.

      The goal was not to detect explosives at a distance, but to be able to identify it after the fact. The usual debates: the NRA, the ATF, etc. It was above board, at the congressional level, not a consipriacy. In the end, nothing came of it.

  6. probably no magic here by markj02 · · Score: 2

    The whole description makes sense if you read "UV" or "light" instead of "RF". Most likely, they are tagging objects with mixtures of fluorescent dyes or pigments--easy to apply, mostly invisible, easy to discriminate using filters, and easy to detect using pulsed UV light sources (perhaps the new UV LEDs). Different mixtures identify different objects, in analogy to visible light taggants.

  7. This really seems like a non-digital PGP "key" by Ieshan · · Score: 2

    This whole scheme seems like a way to authenticate your data that's been stored on paper.

    For instance, a company can send out shipping and inventory forms with their "key" printed in the ink, which the buyer is wary of. That way, competitor can't falsify forms or orders or somesuch.

    Or, and I think a really interesting application, schools can verify that students have actually turned in their own work. Sure, you can still copy, but there's nothing worse than having Bart Simpson scrawl his name down on your test and get accepted into the special school. =P

  8. Motorola interested in the technology. by hkon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whenever I hear claims of some company being "interested in" some technology, I imagine the following scenario:

    (at trade show)

    salesman: "Hey, we've got a magic powder that we can mix into stuff and do cool stuff with it and stuff"

    joe schmoe:"Yeah, that would be kinda cool if you can make it work. Maybe then I'd even buy some of it for myself"

    salesman:"What company do you work for Sir?"

    joe schmoe:"Motorola. Why do you ask?"

  9. I'll bet it's not even that good. by Kibo · · Score: 3, Funny

    It seems like someone is planing another adventure in venture capital. Improbable + investment = angry_shareholders + carribian_vacation.

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  10. Submolecular not subatomic. by Bazzargh · · Score: 4, Informative
    The system is clearly based on resonant frequencies of bonds in the molecules of the taggant. They actually say 'submolecular' not subatomic on their site.

    Someone else mentioned that this makes sense if you say UV instead of RF - well that may be true but its hardly new. Here for example is a UV taggant that works on that principal.

    It may well be that their selling point is that they _are_ using RF taggants because its too easy to check if a UV taggant has been applied to something (one of the uses of UV powder tags is to check which employee has touched eg a secure terminal. You have been warned!)

  11. It's not really a "new technology"... by bardencj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing that's new about this, as far as I can tell, is the low cost deployment. Consider what they do say about it:

    - The technology uses materials with "very unique physical and chemical properties" at the "sub-molecular level."

    - The reader is an RF "transceiver" which can detect the material in a manner analogous to "magnetic resonance imaging."

    Sounds to me like they've build themselves a Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) spectrometer that doesn't have to be very powerful due to bulk effects -- fire some RF at it, stop, then listen.

    There's nothing keeping anyone from using a more powerful NMR spectrometer to isolate the material and reproduce it. So maybe they'd just lobby to have NMR spectroscopy outlawed as a "counterfeiting tool." Security through obscurity reigns...

    1. Re:It's not really a "new technology"... by sigwinch · · Score: 2
      There's nothing keeping anyone from using a more powerful NMR spectrometer to isolate the material and reproduce it.
      Nothing but time, skill, money, and luck. Security isn't about building in impregnable fortress, it's about building walls that stop a few people who would otherwise have just strolled right in. As long as a security measure produces more than it costs, it's a winner.
      Security through obscurity reigns...
      People, stop blindly applying this mantra to everything you come across! Much practical security comes directly from obscurity: passwords only known by a few people and protected against unintended disclosure, metal keys of unknown shapes, PINs that must be used in addition to account numbers, manufacturing processes that would-be attackers don't know how to duplicate, etc.
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    2. Re:It's not really a "new technology"... by sigwinch · · Score: 2
      "Security through obscurity" refers to obscurity of the algorithm,...
      The original derisive sense referred to the belief that if a security flaw was not publicized, it was harmless and could be ignored. Unfortunately that idea has mutated into a meme that if the details of a technology aren't publicized, it is full of lurking flaws and is therefore worthless.

      My point was that all security comes from obscurity, and not just of digital cryptographic keys. Every enhancement to obscurity in any part of the system makes the system more secure.

      The whole point is that a strong security system is still secure when everything except the key is known,...
      1) True, but keeping the whole thing secret makes it even more secure. Various logistical issues make this expensive to do for practical ciphers, but it's true. 2) Not all security systems are based on symmetric numerical ciphers, and their obscurity equations can be significantly different. In particular, chemical security systems behave as a public key system where even looking at the "public key" (chemical structure) is extremely expensive, nevermind finding a "private key" (synthesis process) that goes with the "public key". Knowledge gained about numerical ciphers does not directly apply to other security methods.

      Moreover, different security systems have different goals. Classical numerical ciphers are intended to provide the highest possible secrecy for numerical data. Anti-counterfeiting systems, on the other hand, are intended to raise the cost of counterfeiting high enough that many potential counterfeiters are stopped.

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  12. Re:At last, practical application for quantum phys by SIGFPE · · Score: 2

    Where did you get that business about entanglement from? I can't find it on the website. The thing is...on paper at least I think you could put together a pretty cool quantum authentication protocol - but I very much doubt that it would work in practice. The word 'entanglement' doesn't appear on their web site according to google. I can only think that you've made this up and have stumbled upon a cool idea by accident!

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  13. Re:At last, practical application for quantum phys by SIGFPE · · Score: 2

    You'll enjoy reading this then!

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