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Philips vs Unlicensed DVD Players

Kallahar writes "NewScientist is running an article about how Phillips, Sony, and Pioneer have "asked customs officials throughout Europe to seize players made by unlicensed factories." Philips, Sony and Pioneer have pooled many hundreds of patents covering all aspects of the DVD system. Philips administers the pool, grants licences and collects royalties, which are then shared three ways." This comes on the heals of philips going after copy protected CDs. The draw for these DVD players for consumers is probably both price, and the fact that they are often free of those pesky region encodings (especially nice for anime junkies)

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  1. Okay, so what's the problem? by mosch · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I fail to see the issue. Some companies which created some great technologies are enforcing their legal right to get license fees for those technologies. This is how patents are SUPPOSED to work!

    Where's the incentive to create if it's legal to just steal the invention and pay nothing?

    1. Re:Okay, so what's the problem? by Gaijin42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are reasons to create other than profit. Very true. However the existance of those other reasons does not invalidate profit as a valid reason. If you want to create, and improve the world for your fellow man, that is fine and good, may you recieve awards, recognition, and passage through the pearly gates. If I choose to go for profit, your altruism does not allow you to trump me and take away my profits.

  2. Ummm...we need to strike a balance here... by joshamania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saying this is contradictory to Phillips's position on copy protected CD's is not correct. Phillips going after illegal DVD manufacturers is very similar to them chafing against copy protected CD's.

    Someone is using a format that they invented, have the patent on, and should for a reasonable time, have the ability to apportion the use of that patent(s) out as they will. The difference here is that the folks they are going after are making money "stealing" Phillips's technology, unlike a certain sixteen year old kid from Norway.

    While I don't agree with everything they do with their patents (region encoding is complete bullshit theivery....glad I don't live in the UK and have to pay $30 per DVD), this is a relatively new technology and they do hold the patent...this is what patents are for, to keep lazy assholes from making money off you your invention for a certain period of time.

  3. This should be a civil matter. by Performer+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a civil dispute between the manufacturers and those who claim patent rights. Surely it should not be the business of customs to close down manufacturers of DVDs without some kind of civil decision in a court.

    Note that the customs officials have not only been asked to impound players thay are also impounding disks. The disks are not being impounded because the content is copyright, they are being impounded because the media is owned by these corporations.

    This is an outrage. It's like impounding books because someone claims they own the patent on the printing press. We need some protection against companies claiming to own and control the information medium in common use today.

  4. Interesting how patents get `pooled' by Mike+Hicks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've found it interesting how patents and other `intellectual property' tend to get pooled by a handful of major companies. This, my friends, is how standards really get made these days. Heck, similar practices date back a hundred years or more.

    This is really annoying to me, as these companies kind of turn the idea of a patent on it's back. Sure, they defend them from the man on the street til the cows come home, but then they collude with other big companies. Am I the only one that thinks this is backward?

  5. Re:Yes you get price by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not just because of the parts.

    In a record player, typically there aren't as many parts that are static, humidity and voltage sensative.

    Nor are there delicate bits of optical equipment with lenses and lasers and other solid state gear.

    It's like comparing the amount of maintance an F-105 needed compared to an F-15. Or the Folk-Wulf crews that bitched about the work it took to keep a Me-262 flying.

    My mom's Sony record player works like a charm, but it has about 1/8th the number of electrical systems a CD player has.

    It's apples and oranges to compare a record player with a CD/DVD player. A better comparision would be a 1st Gen LaserDisk or one of those magneto-optical disk drives from the early 80s and a DVD player from today.

  6. Re:Artificial Restrictions by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sadly, most people don't want to be educated about complex issues. The reason rights erode is because the average sheeple doesn't care and doesn't want to care.

    Cynical? Not really; I'm being realistic based on years of experience in activism. People only care about issues that directly affect them; it is very difficult to get people interested in anything that might inconvenience them. People watch DvDs, but don't exercise their rights to free speech -- so guess which one they care about more?